Re: [HACKERS] Managing the community information stream

2007-05-16 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Bruce Momjian wrote: Alvaro Herrera wrote: Bruce Momjian wrote: Alvaro Herrera wrote: In Debian's bug tracking system, when the bug is created (which is done by sending an email to a certain address) it gets a number, and the email is distributed to certain lists. People can

Re: [HACKERS] Managing the community information stream

2007-05-16 Thread Bruce Momjian
Alvaro Herrera wrote: Bruce Momjian wrote: Alvaro Herrera wrote: Bruce Momjian wrote: Alvaro Herrera wrote: In Debian's bug tracking system, when the bug is created (which is done by sending an email to a certain address) it gets a number, and the email is

Re: [HACKERS] Managing the community information stream

2007-05-16 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Bruce Momjian wrote: Alvaro Herrera wrote: Bruce Momjian wrote: Alvaro Herrera wrote: Bruce Momjian wrote: Alvaro Herrera wrote: In Debian's bug tracking system, when the bug is created (which is done by sending an email to a certain address) it gets a

Re: [HACKERS] Managing the community information stream

2007-05-16 Thread Bruce Momjian
Alvaro Herrera wrote: I am not sure. We will have to investigate more the capabilities of the bug tracking system we intend to use. In the worst case one could add the URL for the archived message copy; second worst would be bouncing (hopefully not forward) the interesting messages

Re: [HACKERS] Managing the community information stream

2007-05-16 Thread Jim C. Nasby
On Wed, May 16, 2007 at 10:46:50AM -0400, Alvaro Herrera wrote: I am not sure. We will have to investigate more the capabilities of the bug tracking system we intend to use. In the worst case one could add the URL for the archived message copy; second worst would be bouncing

Re: [HACKERS] Managing the community information stream

2007-05-16 Thread Tom Lane
Bruce Momjian [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Alvaro Herrera wrote: This is even better than our archives due to the problem that the archives don't have links to messages crossing month boundaries. Have you noticed that if you go to the archives, some discussions appear truncated at a point, but

Re: [HACKERS] Managing the community information stream

2007-05-16 Thread Tom Lane
Bruce Momjian [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Alvaro Herrera wrote: This is even better than our archives due to the problem that the archives don't have links to messages crossing month boundaries. Have you noticed that if you go to the archives, some discussions appear truncated at a point, but

Re: [HACKERS] Managing the community information stream

2007-05-16 Thread Magnus Hagander
Tom Lane wrote: Bruce Momjian [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Alvaro Herrera wrote: This is even better than our archives due to the problem that the archives don't have links to messages crossing month boundaries. Have you noticed that if you go to the archives, some discussions appear truncated

Re: [HACKERS] Managing the community information stream

2007-05-15 Thread Bruce Momjian
To follow up on this, if you look at how TODO items are created, they often come out of discussion threads, and sometimes more than one idea comes from a discussion thread. If we moved to a trackers system, how would we handle that? Also, if I want to discuss renaming something or cleaning up

Re: [HACKERS] Managing the community information stream

2007-05-15 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Bruce Momjian wrote: To follow up on this, if you look at how TODO items are created, they often come out of discussion threads, and sometimes more than one idea comes from a discussion thread. If we moved to a trackers system, how would we handle that? We have the discussion on list, if it

Re: [HACKERS] Managing the community information stream

2007-05-15 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Joshua D. Drake wrote: Also, if I want to discuss renaming something or cleaning up some code, do we create a tracker item for that or do we have a developer email list to discuss such issues? In the most conformist sense yes, but I can tell you that generally isn't how CMD does it. How

Re: [HACKERS] Managing the community information stream

2007-05-15 Thread Bruce Momjian
Alvaro Herrera wrote: Joshua D. Drake wrote: Also, if I want to discuss renaming something or cleaning up some code, do we create a tracker item for that or do we have a developer email list to discuss such issues? In the most conformist sense yes, but I can tell you that generally

Re: [HACKERS] Managing the community information stream

2007-05-15 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Bruce Momjian wrote: Alvaro Herrera wrote: In Debian's bug tracking system, when the bug is created (which is done by sending an email to a certain address) it gets a number, and the email is distributed to certain lists. People can then reply to that mail, and send messages to [EMAIL

Re: [HACKERS] Managing the community information stream

2007-05-15 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Bruce Momjian wrote: In Debian's bug tracking system, when the bug is created (which is done by sending an email to a certain address) it gets a number, and the email is distributed to certain lists. People can then reply to that mail, and send messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and it gets tracked

Re: [HACKERS] Managing the community information stream

2007-05-15 Thread Bruce Momjian
Alvaro Herrera wrote: Bruce Momjian wrote: Alvaro Herrera wrote: In Debian's bug tracking system, when the bug is created (which is done by sending an email to a certain address) it gets a number, and the email is distributed to certain lists. People can then reply to that mail,

Re: [HACKERS] Managing the community information stream

2007-05-15 Thread Bruce Momjian
Joshua D. Drake wrote: Bruce Momjian wrote: In Debian's bug tracking system, when the bug is created (which is done by sending an email to a certain address) it gets a number, and the email is distributed to certain lists. People can then reply to that mail, and send messages to [EMAIL

Re: [HACKERS] Managing the community information stream

2007-05-15 Thread Jim C. Nasby
On Tue, May 15, 2007 at 01:18:42PM -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote: In Debian's bug tracking system, when the bug is created (which is done by sending an email to a certain address) it gets a number, and the email is distributed to certain lists. People can then reply to that mail, and send

Re: [HACKERS] Managing the community information stream

2007-05-12 Thread Bruce Momjian
Jim Nasby wrote: On May 6, 2007, at 8:18 AM, Andrew Dunstan wrote: Oh, the answer to Bruce's question about when to create a feature item? You could well do it at the time when today you create a TODO item. However, we might even do better. For example, we might well add feature

Re: [HACKERS] Managing the community information stream

2007-05-12 Thread Bruce Momjian
Jim Nasby wrote: On May 6, 2007, at 8:18 AM, Andrew Dunstan wrote: Oh, the answer to Bruce's question about when to create a feature item? You could well do it at the time when today you create a TODO item. However, we might even do better. For example, we might well add feature

Re: [HACKERS] Managing the community information stream

2007-05-12 Thread Bruce Momjian
To follow up on Andrew's idea of tracking things back to the TODO or bug number: We could have a universal developer number, something like PGD#23432 as a PostgreSQL Developer number. We could assign them for submissions to the bugs list, where we already assign a number. I could easily add

Re: [HACKERS] Managing the community information stream

2007-05-09 Thread Josh Berkus
Jim, I am sympathetic to the issues you and Andrew are describing (I understand Bruce's stream analogy, but I think Andrew is right that from the user's point of view, it's not usable). But I am not convinced that users voting on desired features will get us the users' desired features. The

Re: [HACKERS] Managing the community information stream

2007-05-08 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Mon, May 07, 2007 at 07:36:55AM -0500, Jim Nasby wrote: Instead, if all feature requests are tracked then users can vote on what's most important to them. I am sympathetic to the issues you and Andrew are describing (I understand Bruce's stream analogy, but I think Andrew is right that

Re: [HACKERS] Managing the community information stream

2007-05-08 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Andrew Sullivan wrote: On Mon, May 07, 2007 at 07:36:55AM -0500, Jim Nasby wrote: Instead, if all feature requests are tracked then users can vote on what's most important to them. I am sympathetic to the issues you and Andrew are describing (I understand Bruce's stream analogy,

Re: [HACKERS] Managing the community information stream

2007-05-08 Thread Jim Nasby
On May 8, 2007, at 9:50 AM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: On Mon, May 07, 2007 at 07:36:55AM -0500, Jim Nasby wrote: Instead, if all feature requests are tracked then users can vote on what's most important to them. I am sympathetic to the issues you and Andrew are describing (I understand Bruce's

Re: [HACKERS] Managing the community information stream

2007-05-08 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
Jim Nasby wrote: On May 8, 2007, at 9:50 AM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: On Mon, May 07, 2007 at 07:36:55AM -0500, Jim Nasby wrote: Instead, if all feature requests are tracked then users can vote on what's most important to them. I am sympathetic to the issues you and Andrew are describing (I

Re: [HACKERS] Managing the community information stream

2007-05-08 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
Hi, guess I missed hackers on my initial reply. So I am re-sending the reply I send to Joshua based on the reply I send to him in regards to a hackers@ posting. Read below. regards, Lukas Joshua D. Drake wrote: That being said, it seems obvious that so far PostgreSQL has been mainly

Re: [HACKERS] Managing the community information stream

2007-05-07 Thread Jim Nasby
On May 6, 2007, at 8:18 AM, Andrew Dunstan wrote: Oh, the answer to Bruce's question about when to create a feature item? You could well do it at the time when today you create a TODO item. However, we might even do better. For example, we might well add feature requests that are denied.

Re: [HACKERS] Managing the community information stream

2007-05-06 Thread Dave Page
Bruce Momjian wrote: The idea of the patch number in the subject line works with that streaming model because it merely marks streams so they can be grouped. The defining event that marks the stream is a post to the patches list. We already number posts to the bugs list, so in a way we could

Re: [HACKERS] Managing the community information stream

2007-05-06 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Dave Page wrote: Bruce Momjian wrote: The idea of the patch number in the subject line works with that streaming model because it merely marks streams so they can be grouped. The defining event that marks the stream is a post to the patches list. We already number posts to the bugs list, so