Re: [HACKERS] OpenVMS - an effort which needs guidance and support.

2011-02-07 Thread Chris Browne
peder...@ccsscorp.com (Bill Pedersen) writes: I look forward to hearing from people in the PostgreSQL community as well as from others interested in this effort. To a number of us, it's academically interesting, though, as we don't have VMS systems, it's not likely to be super-easy to assist in

Re: [HACKERS] OpenVMS?

2010-02-16 Thread Andrew Dunstan
David Fetter wrote: Folks, Would it be worthwhile to light up some buildfarm animals on OpenVMS? http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=10/02/09/2319162 Sure, go for it. cheers andrew -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your

Re: [HACKERS] OpenVMS?

2010-02-16 Thread Tom Lane
David Fetter da...@fetter.org writes: Would it be worthwhile to light up some buildfarm animals on OpenVMS? Have we ever even claimed to support VMS? I have no particular desire to undertake a major new porting effort. regards, tom lane -- Sent via pgsql-hackers

Re: [HACKERS] OpenVMS?

2010-02-16 Thread Marc G. Fournier
It could be interesting to see how big a porting effort it was ... ? I'd say go for it and let's see what is involved ... On Tue, 16 Feb 2010, Tom Lane wrote: David Fetter da...@fetter.org writes: Would it be worthwhile to light up some buildfarm animals on OpenVMS? Have we ever even

Re: [HACKERS] OpenVMS?

2010-02-16 Thread David Fetter
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 08:11:15AM -0500, Andrew Dunstan wrote: David Fetter wrote: Folks, Would it be worthwhile to light up some buildfarm animals on OpenVMS? http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=10/02/09/2319162 Sure, go for it. cheers andrew Here's what I sent them:

Re: [HACKERS] OpenVMS?

2010-02-16 Thread Rayson Ho
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 11:22 AM, David Fetter wrote:    * Shell access from several accounts    * Git or cvs client    * Compiler tools    * Perl of a fairly recent vintage    * Outbound http access I had access to the HP testdrive before they closed it down (the Unix servers were down in

Re: [HACKERS] OpenVMS?

2010-02-16 Thread David Fetter
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:39:29PM -0500, Rayson Ho wrote: On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 11:22 AM, David Fetter wrote:    * Shell access from several accounts    * Git or cvs client    * Compiler tools    * Perl of a fairly recent vintage    * Outbound http access I had access to the HP

Re: [HACKERS] OpenVMS?

2010-02-16 Thread Dann Corbit
-Original Message- From: pgsql-hackers-ow...@postgresql.org [mailto:pgsql-hackers- ow...@postgresql.org] On Behalf Of Rayson Ho Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 9:39 AM To: David Fetter Cc: Andrew Dunstan; PG Hackers Subject: Re: [HACKERS] OpenVMS? On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 11:22

Re: [HACKERS] OpenVMS?

2010-02-16 Thread Bruce Momjian
Dann Corbit wrote: PostgreSQL uses fork(), which is not supported on OpenVMS. However, the techniques used by the WIN32 version of internal_forkexec() in src/backend/postmaster/postmaster.c give the VMS version a good starting point. For PostgreSQL, you will probably want to use

Re: [HACKERS] OpenVMS?

2010-02-16 Thread Rayson Ho
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Dann Corbit wrote: For PostgreSQL, you will probably want to use LIB$SPAWN() as a rough equivalent to CreateProcess() on Windows We will need to support running PostgreSQL as a detached process, and thus it won't have access to the DCL CLI. The implication is

Re: [HACKERS] OpenVMS?

2010-02-16 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Tue, 16 Feb 2010, Bruce Momjian wrote: I hate to pour cold water on this, but why is it worth adding support for a platform that has such marginal usage. Because someone feels like dedicating their resources to it ... ? Marc G. FournierHub.Org Hosting

Re: [HACKERS] OpenVMS?

2010-02-16 Thread Bruce Momjian
Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Tue, 16 Feb 2010, Bruce Momjian wrote: I hate to pour cold water on this, but why is it worth adding support for a platform that has such marginal usage. Because someone feels like dedicating their resources to it ... ? Well, there is going to be impact on

Re: [HACKERS] OpenVMS?

2010-02-16 Thread Andrew Chernow
Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Tue, 16 Feb 2010, Bruce Momjian wrote: I hate to pour cold water on this, but why is it worth adding support for a platform that has such marginal usage. Because someone feels like dedicating their resources to it ... ? That's step one. Step two is community

Re: [HACKERS] OpenVMS?

2010-02-16 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Tue, 2010-02-16 at 15:47 -0500, Andrew Chernow wrote: Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Tue, 16 Feb 2010, Bruce Momjian wrote: I hate to pour cold water on this, but why is it worth adding support for a platform that has such marginal usage. Because someone feels like dedicating their

Re: [HACKERS] OpenVMS?

2010-02-16 Thread Robert Doerfler
On Tue, 16 Feb 2010, Bruce Momjian wrote: Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Tue, 16 Feb 2010, Bruce Momjian wrote: I hate to pour cold water on this, but why is it worth adding support for a platform that has such marginal usage. Because someone feels like dedicating their resources to it ... ?

Re: [HACKERS] OpenVMS?

2010-02-16 Thread Chris Browne
rocr...@gmx.de (Robert Doerfler) writes: On Tue, 16 Feb 2010, Bruce Momjian wrote: Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Tue, 16 Feb 2010, Bruce Momjian wrote: I hate to pour cold water on this, but why is it worth adding support for a platform that has such marginal usage. Because someone feels

Re: [HACKERS] OpenVMS?

2010-02-16 Thread Chris Browne
scra...@hub.org (Marc G. Fournier) writes: On Tue, 16 Feb 2010, Bruce Momjian wrote: I hate to pour cold water on this, but why is it worth adding support for a platform that has such marginal usage. Because someone feels like dedicating their resources to it ... ? But adding it in would

Re: [HACKERS] OpenVMS?

2010-02-16 Thread Tom Lane
Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us writes: Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Tue, 16 Feb 2010, Bruce Momjian wrote: I hate to pour cold water on this, but why is it worth adding support for a platform that has such marginal usage. Because someone feels like dedicating their resources to it ... ?

Re: [HACKERS] OpenVMS?

2010-02-16 Thread Josh Berkus
All, In my 12 years on the PostgreSQL project, this is the 2nd time, ever, I've heard a question about OpenVMS support. The previous time was in 2003. Maybe there's an untapped community out there, but personally I think we'd find more users on z/OS than on OpenVMS. --Josh Berkus -- Sent via

Re: [HACKERS] OpenVMS?

2010-02-16 Thread Tom Lane
Josh Berkus j...@agliodbs.com writes: In my 12 years on the PostgreSQL project, this is the 2nd time, ever, I've heard a question about OpenVMS support. The previous time was in 2003. Well, a search of our archives for OpenVMS finds a few more, but it still looks like about one request a year.

Re: [HACKERS] OpenVMS?

2010-02-16 Thread Rayson Ho
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 1:02 PM, David Fetter wrote: You clearly know vastly more than I do about this, and should lead this effort :) I have been working on OpenVMS on and off for a few years, but I am sure a lot of people are more qualified than I am :) I guess I will create a page in the