Re: [HACKERS] PG 9.0 release timetable

2010-05-31 Thread Simon Riggs
On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 16:19 -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote: Assuming we want a release Postgres 9.0 by mid-August, here is how the timetable would look: Need RC release to be stable for 1-2 weeks before final RC must be released by August 1 Beta must be stable for 2-3

Re: [HACKERS] PG 9.0 release timetable

2010-05-31 Thread Thom Brown
On 31 May 2010 09:33, Simon Riggs si...@2ndquadrant.com wrote: We're currently at 4 weeks since last beta, with no new beta in sight. My understanding was beta 2 would be out on 7th June. Is that changing? Thom -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make

Re: [HACKERS] PG 9.0 release timetable

2010-05-31 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Mon, 31 May 2010, Thom Brown wrote: On 31 May 2010 09:33, Simon Riggs si...@2ndquadrant.com wrote: We're currently at 4 weeks since last beta, with no new beta in sight. My understanding was beta 2 would be out on 7th June. Is that changing? Yes, but Simon is correct in that 4-5 weeks

Re: [HACKERS] PG 9.0 release timetable

2010-05-31 Thread Dave Page
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Thom Brown thombr...@gmail.com wrote: On 31 May 2010 09:33, Simon Riggs si...@2ndquadrant.com wrote: We're currently at 4 weeks since last beta, with no new beta in sight. My understanding was beta 2 would be out on 7th June.  Is that changing? No. It's very

Re: [HACKERS] PG 9.0 release timetable

2010-05-31 Thread Simon Riggs
On Mon, 2010-05-31 at 15:14 +0100, Dave Page wrote: On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Thom Brown thombr...@gmail.com wrote: On 31 May 2010 09:33, Simon Riggs si...@2ndquadrant.com wrote: We're currently at 4 weeks since last beta, with no new beta in sight. My understanding was beta 2

Re: [HACKERS] PG 9.0 release timetable

2010-05-31 Thread Tom Lane
Marc G. Fournier scra...@hub.org writes: On Mon, 31 May 2010, Thom Brown wrote: On 31 May 2010 09:33, Simon Riggs si...@2ndquadrant.com wrote: We're currently at 4 weeks since last beta, with no new beta in sight. My understanding was beta 2 would be out on 7th June. Is that changing?

Re: [HACKERS] PG 9.0 release timetable

2010-05-31 Thread Tom Lane
Simon Riggs si...@2ndquadrant.com writes: We're currently at 4 weeks since last beta, with no new beta in sight. Eh? http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-hackers/2010-05/msg01649.php You can hardly claim to have not seen it. regards, tom lane -- Sent via pgsql-hackers

Re: [HACKERS] PG 9.0 release timetable

2010-05-31 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Mon, 31 May 2010, Tom Lane wrote: I find myself entirely unimpressed by proposals to make releases according to some rigid schedule that takes no account of whether packaging manpower is actually available. How many beta testers out there *rely* on a package to do their testing? I'm not

Re: [HACKERS] PG 9.0 release timetable

2010-05-31 Thread Bruce Momjian
Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Mon, 31 May 2010, Tom Lane wrote: I find myself entirely unimpressed by proposals to make releases according to some rigid schedule that takes no account of whether packaging manpower is actually available. How many beta testers out there *rely* on a

Re: [HACKERS] PG 9.0 release timetable

2010-05-31 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Mon, 31 May 2010, Bruce Momjian wrote: Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Mon, 31 May 2010, Tom Lane wrote: I find myself entirely unimpressed by proposals to make releases according to some rigid schedule that takes no account of whether packaging manpower is actually available. How many beta

Re: [HACKERS] PG 9.0 release timetable

2010-05-31 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Mon, 31 May 2010, Magnus Hagander wrote: My guess would be most of them. Do we not have any stats on # of beta downloads per package type? I use FreeBSD ports when installing production, but when testing non-released code, I generally use the source code itself and build ... Marc

Re: [HACKERS] PG 9.0 release timetable

2010-05-31 Thread Tom Lane
Marc G. Fournier scra...@hub.org writes: On Mon, 31 May 2010, Bruce Momjian wrote: Well, they can just grab nightly snapshots and test, right? I don't think a beta is fundamentally different from a nightly snapshot, source-code wise. doesn't really give a good reference point for testing

Re: [HACKERS] PG 9.0 release timetable

2010-05-31 Thread Magnus Hagander
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Marc G. Fournier scra...@hub.org wrote: On Mon, 31 May 2010, Magnus Hagander wrote: My guess would be most of them. Do we not have any stats on # of beta downloads per package type?  I use FreeBSD ports when installing production, but when testing

Re: [HACKERS] PG 9.0 release timetable

2010-05-31 Thread Magnus Hagander
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us wrote: Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Mon, 31 May 2010, Tom Lane wrote: I find myself entirely unimpressed by proposals to make releases according to some rigid schedule that takes no account of whether packaging manpower is

Re: [HACKERS] PG 9.0 release timetable

2010-05-31 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Mon, 31 May 2010, Tom Lane wrote: Marc G. Fournier scra...@hub.org writes: On Mon, 31 May 2010, Bruce Momjian wrote: Well, they can just grab nightly snapshots and test, right? I don't think a beta is fundamentally different from a nightly snapshot, source-code wise. doesn't really

Re: [HACKERS] PG 9.0 release timetable

2010-05-31 Thread Tom Lane
Marc G. Fournier scra...@hub.org writes: On Mon, 31 May 2010, Tom Lane wrote: I find myself entirely unimpressed by proposals to make releases according to some rigid schedule that takes no account of whether packaging manpower is actually available. How many beta testers out there *rely*

Re: [HACKERS] PG 9.0 release timetable

2010-05-31 Thread Simon Riggs
On Mon, 2010-05-31 at 11:10 -0400, Tom Lane wrote: Simon Riggs si...@2ndquadrant.com writes: We're currently at 4 weeks since last beta, with no new beta in sight. Eh? http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-hackers/2010-05/msg01649.php You can hardly claim to have not seen it. Yes,

Re: [HACKERS] PG 9.0 release timetable

2010-05-31 Thread Simon Riggs
On Mon, 2010-05-31 at 11:30 -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote: Well, they can just grab nightly snapshots and test, right? I don't think a beta is fundamentally different from a nightly snapshot, source-code wise. There is only one difference: the signal to re-test. Most people read new beta as

Re: [HACKERS] PG 9.0 release timetable

2010-05-29 Thread Robert Haas
On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us wrote: Assuming we want a release Postgres 9.0 by mid-August, here is how the timetable would look:        Need RC release to be stable for 1-2 weeks before final                RC must be released by August 1        Beta must

Re: [HACKERS] PG 9.0 release timetable

2010-05-29 Thread Robert Haas
On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Robert Haas robertmh...@gmail.com wrote: This is a really short list. Thoughts on a few of the remaining items: Type Mismatch Error in Set Returning Functions - tgl says this is a deliberate change per link I just added to the wiki. do we think more is required

Re: [HACKERS] PG 9.0 release timetable

2010-05-29 Thread Tom Lane
Robert Haas robertmh...@gmail.com writes: Thoughts on a few of the remaining items: Should we revert the default output format for bytea to the old style before shipping 9.0.0? - Consensus seems to be no, thus no action is required. I think we should leave that there for awhile, though I

Re: [HACKERS] PG 9.0 release timetable

2010-05-29 Thread Robert Haas
On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 5:58 PM, Tom Lane t...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote: Robert Haas robertmh...@gmail.com writes: Thoughts on a few of the remaining items: Should we revert the default output format for bytea to the old style before shipping 9.0.0? - Consensus seems to be no, thus no action is