Re: [HACKERS] Triggers on foreign tables

2014-03-24 Thread Ronan Dunklau
Le dimanche 23 mars 2014 02:44:26 Noah Misch a écrit : > On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 09:31:06AM +0100, Ronan Dunklau wrote: > > Le mardi 18 mars 2014 03:54:19 Kouhei Kaigai a écrit : > > > > (1) To acquire the old tuple for UPDATE/DELETE operations, the patch > > > > closely > > > > parallels our ha

Re: [HACKERS] Triggers on foreign tables

2014-03-22 Thread Noah Misch
On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 09:31:06AM +0100, Ronan Dunklau wrote: > Le mardi 18 mars 2014 03:54:19 Kouhei Kaigai a écrit : > > > (1) To acquire the old tuple for UPDATE/DELETE operations, the patch > > > closely > parallels our handling for INSTEAD OF triggers on views. It > > > adds a wholerow resj

Re: [HACKERS] Triggers on foreign tables

2014-03-18 Thread Robert Haas
On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 11:54 PM, Kouhei Kaigai wrote: >> I hacked on this for awhile, but there remain two matters on which I'm >> uncertain about the right way forward. >> >> (1) To acquire the old tuple for UPDATE/DELETE operations, the patch closely >> parallels our handling for INSTEAD OF tri

Re: [HACKERS] Triggers on foreign tables

2014-03-18 Thread Ronan Dunklau
Le mardi 18 mars 2014 03:54:19 Kouhei Kaigai a écrit : > > I hacked on this for awhile, but there remain two matters on which I'm > > uncertain about the right way forward. > > > > (1) To acquire the old tuple for UPDATE/DELETE operations, the patch > > closely parallels our handling for INSTEAD

Re: [HACKERS] Triggers on foreign tables

2014-03-17 Thread Kouhei Kaigai
> I hacked on this for awhile, but there remain two matters on which I'm > uncertain about the right way forward. > > (1) To acquire the old tuple for UPDATE/DELETE operations, the patch closely > parallels our handling for INSTEAD OF triggers on views. It adds a wholerow > resjunk attribute, fro

Re: [HACKERS] Triggers on foreign tables

2014-03-06 Thread Ronan Dunklau
Le mercredi 5 mars 2014 22:36:44 Noah Misch a écrit : > Agreed. More specifically, I see only two scenarios for retrieving tuples > from the tuplestore. Scenario one is that we need the next tuple (or pair > of tuples, depending on the TriggerEvent). Scenario two is that we need > the tuple(s) m

Re: [HACKERS] Triggers on foreign tables

2014-03-05 Thread Noah Misch
This version looks basically good. I have some cosmetic things to sweep up before commit. One point is a bit more substantial: On Tue, Feb 04, 2014 at 01:16:22PM +0100, Ronan Dunklau wrote: > Le lundi 3 février 2014 23:28:45 Noah Misch a écrit : > > On Sun, Feb 02, 2014 at 11:53:51AM +0100, Rona

Re: [HACKERS] Triggers on foreign tables

2014-03-03 Thread Noah Misch
On Mon, Mar 03, 2014 at 11:10:30PM +0900, Kohei KaiGai wrote: > I tried to check the latest (v8) patch again, then could not find > problem in your design change from the v7. > As Noah pointed out, it uses per query-depth tuplestore being released > on AfterTriggerEndSubXact. > > So, may I mark it

Re: [HACKERS] Triggers on foreign tables

2014-03-03 Thread Kohei KaiGai
I tried to check the latest (v8) patch again, then could not find problem in your design change from the v7. As Noah pointed out, it uses per query-depth tuplestore being released on AfterTriggerEndSubXact. So, may I mark it as "ready for committer"? 2014-03-03 15:48 GMT+09:00 Ronan Dunklau : > H

Re: [HACKERS] Triggers on foreign tables

2014-03-02 Thread Ronan Dunklau
Hello. Did you have time to review the latest version of this patch ? Is there anything I can do to get this "ready for commiter" ? Thank you for all the work performed so far. Le mardi 4 février 2014 13:16:22 Ronan Dunklau a écrit : > Le lundi 3 février 2014 23:28:45 Noah Misch a écrit : >

Re: [HACKERS] Triggers on foreign tables

2014-02-03 Thread Noah Misch
On Sun, Feb 02, 2014 at 11:53:51AM +0100, Ronan Dunklau wrote: > Le jeudi 30 janvier 2014 14:05:08 Noah Misch a écrit : > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 03:17:35PM +0100, Ronan Dunklau wrote: > > > What do you think about this approach ? Is there something I missed which > > > would make it not sustaina

Re: [HACKERS] Triggers on foreign tables

2014-01-30 Thread Noah Misch
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 03:17:35PM +0100, Ronan Dunklau wrote: > > > - for after triggers, the whole queuing mechanism is bypassed for foreign > > > tables. This is IMO acceptable, since foreign tables cannot have > > > constraints or constraints triggers, and thus have not need for > > > deferrabl

Re: [HACKERS] Triggers on foreign tables

2014-01-29 Thread Kouhei Kaigai
m Project KaiGai Kohei > -Original Message- > From: pgsql-hackers-ow...@postgresql.org > [mailto:pgsql-hackers-ow...@postgresql.org] On Behalf Of Ronan Dunklau > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 11:18 PM > To: Noah Misch > Cc: pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org > Subject: Re: [HACKERS]

Re: [HACKERS] Triggers on foreign tables

2014-01-17 Thread Noah Misch
On Tue, Jan 07, 2014 at 12:11:28PM +0100, Ronan Dunklau wrote: > Since the last discussion about it > (http://www.postgresql.org/message-id/cadyhksugp6ojb1pybtimop3s5fg_yokguto-7rbcltnvaj5...@mail.gmail.com), > I > finally managed to implement row triggers for foreign tables. > For statement-lev

Re: [HACKERS] Triggers on foreign tables

2013-10-16 Thread Robert Haas
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Kohei KaiGai wrote: >> True, but gosh, updates via file_fdw are gonna be so slow I can't >> believe anybody'd use it for something real >> > How about another example? I have implemented a column-oriented > data store with read/write capability, using FDW APIs.

Re: [HACKERS] Triggers on foreign tables

2013-10-16 Thread Kohei KaiGai
2013/10/16 Robert Haas : > On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Kohei KaiGai wrote: >> One reason we should support local triggers is that not all the data >> source of FDW support remote trigger. It required FDW drivers to >> have RDBMS as its backend, but no realistic assumption. >> For example, fil

Re: [HACKERS] Triggers on foreign tables

2013-10-16 Thread Robert Haas
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Kohei KaiGai wrote: > One reason we should support local triggers is that not all the data > source of FDW support remote trigger. It required FDW drivers to > have RDBMS as its backend, but no realistic assumption. > For example, file_fdw is unavailable to impleme

Re: [HACKERS] Triggers on foreign tables

2013-10-15 Thread Ronan Dunklau
> Sorry, I might call it something like primary key, instead of 'tupleid'. > Apart from whether we can uniquely identify a particular remote record with > an attribute, what FDW needs here is "something to identify a remote > record". So, we were talking about same concept with different names. A

Re: [HACKERS] Triggers on foreign tables

2013-10-15 Thread Ronan Dunklau
Le mardi 15 octobre 2013 09:47:31 Robert Haas a écrit : > On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Kohei KaiGai wrote: > >>> And, I also want some comments from committers, not only from mine. > >> > >> +1 > > > > +1 > > /me pokes head up. I know I'm going to annoy people with this > comment, but I fe

Re: [HACKERS] Triggers on foreign tables

2013-10-15 Thread Kohei KaiGai
2013/10/15 Robert Haas : > On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Kohei KaiGai wrote: And, I also want some comments from committers, not only from mine. >>> >>> +1 >>> >> +1 > > /me pokes head up. I know I'm going to annoy people with this > comment, but I feel like it's going to have to be made

Re: [HACKERS] Triggers on foreign tables

2013-10-15 Thread Stephen Frost
Robert, * Robert Haas (robertmh...@gmail.com) wrote: > /me pokes head up. I know I'm going to annoy people with this > comment, but I feel like it's going to have to be made at some point Perhaps some folks will be annoyed- I'm not annoyed, but I don't really agree. :) > by somebody, so here go

Re: [HACKERS] Triggers on foreign tables

2013-10-15 Thread Robert Haas
On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Kohei KaiGai wrote: >>> And, I also want some comments from committers, not only from mine. >> >> +1 >> > +1 /me pokes head up. I know I'm going to annoy people with this comment, but I feel like it's going to have to be made at some point by somebody, so here go

Re: [HACKERS] Triggers on foreign tables

2013-10-14 Thread Kohei KaiGai
2013/10/13 Ronan Dunklau : > Le samedi 12 octobre 2013 07:30:35 Kohei KaiGai a écrit : >> 2013/10/10 Ronan Dunklau : > >> Sorry, I'm uncertain the point above. >> Are you saying FDW driver may be able to handle well a case when >> a remote tuple to be updated is different from a remote tuple being

Re: [HACKERS] Triggers on foreign tables

2013-10-13 Thread Ronan Dunklau
Le samedi 12 octobre 2013 07:30:35 Kohei KaiGai a écrit : > 2013/10/10 Ronan Dunklau : > Sorry, I'm uncertain the point above. > Are you saying FDW driver may be able to handle well a case when > a remote tuple to be updated is different from a remote tuple being > fetched on the first stage? Or,

Re: [HACKERS] Triggers on foreign tables

2013-10-11 Thread Kohei KaiGai
2013/10/10 Ronan Dunklau : > Le dimanche 6 octobre 2013 22:33:23 Kohei KaiGai a écrit : >> 2013/9/10 Ronan Dunklau : >> > For row-level triggers, it seems more complicated. From what I understand, >> > OLD/NEW tuples are fetched from the heap using their ctid (except for >> > BEFORE INSERT triggers

Re: [HACKERS] Triggers on foreign tables

2013-10-09 Thread Ronan Dunklau
Le dimanche 6 octobre 2013 22:33:23 Kohei KaiGai a écrit : > 2013/9/10 Ronan Dunklau : > > For row-level triggers, it seems more complicated. From what I understand, > > OLD/NEW tuples are fetched from the heap using their ctid (except for > > BEFORE INSERT triggers). How could this be adapted for

Re: [HACKERS] Triggers on foreign tables

2013-10-09 Thread Kohei KaiGai
> What happens if someone changes the record on the foreign side between when > we've read it and we do the UPDATE? > Concurrency control is job of FDW driver. It has to coordinate access to the records to be fetched for update / delete. In fact, postgres_fdw add "FOR UPDATE" to avoid concurrent up

Re: [HACKERS] Triggers on foreign tables

2013-10-09 Thread Jim Nasby
On 10/6/13 3:33 PM, Kohei KaiGai wrote: 2013/9/10 Ronan Dunklau : For row-level triggers, it seems more complicated. From what I understand, OLD/NEW tuples are fetched from the heap using their ctid (except for BEFORE INSERT triggers). How could this be adapted for foreign tables ? It seems to

Re: [HACKERS] Triggers on foreign tables

2013-10-06 Thread Kohei KaiGai
2013/9/10 Ronan Dunklau : > For row-level triggers, it seems more complicated. From what I understand, > OLD/NEW tuples are fetched from the heap using their ctid (except for BEFORE > INSERT triggers). How could this be adapted for foreign tables ? > It seems to me the origin of difficulty to suppo

Re: [HACKERS] Triggers on foreign tables

2013-09-16 Thread Ronan Dunklau
On Thursday 12 September 2013 12:10:01 Peter Eisentraut wrote: > The documentation build fails: > > openjade:trigger.sgml:72:9:E: end tag for "ACRONYM" omitted, but OMITTAG > NO was specified > openjade:trigger.sgml:70:56: start tag was here Thank you, I took the time to install a working doc-bui

Re: [HACKERS] Triggers on foreign tables

2013-09-12 Thread Peter Eisentraut
On 9/11/13 10:14 AM, Ronan Dunklau wrote: > On Wednesday 11 September 2013 06:27:24 Michael Paquier wrote: >> As your patch is targeting the implementation of a new feature, please >> consider adding this patch to the next commit fest that is going to >> begin in a couple of days: >> https://commit

Re: [HACKERS] Triggers on foreign tables

2013-09-11 Thread Ronan Dunklau
On Wednesday 11 September 2013 06:27:24 Michael Paquier wrote: > As your patch is targeting the implementation of a new feature, please > consider adding this patch to the next commit fest that is going to > begin in a couple of days: > https://commitfest.postgresql.org/action/commitfest_view?id=19

Re: [HACKERS] Triggers on foreign tables

2013-09-11 Thread Michael Paquier
On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 5:08 AM, Ronan Dunklau wrote: > Hello. > > I wanted to know what it would take to implement triggers on foreign tables. > It seems that statement-level triggers can work provided they are allowed in > the code. > > Please find attached a simple POC patch that implement just