Re: [HACKERS] Who puts the Windows binaries on the FTP server?

2003-03-10 Thread Dave Page


 -Original Message-
 From: Justin Clift [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: 09 March 2003 09:57
 To: Dave Page
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 Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Who puts the Windows binaries on the 
 FTP server?
 
 
  PS. Is the source on the ftpsite - if not you'll have Jason 
 after you 
  before long :-)
 
 The source?  It's the standard version of cygwin.  It's just packaged 
 differently.  :)
 

Doens't matter. The GPL requires that the source be made available from
the same place as the binaries. Someone got pulled up on that on on the
pgsql-cygwin list the other day after publicising a similar installer to
yours.

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Re: [HACKERS] Who puts the Windows binaries on the FTP server?

2003-03-10 Thread Justin Clift
Andrew Dunstan wrote:
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From: Dave Page [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I thought the idea was initdb would be rewritten in C. We cannot include
grep/sed etc as they're GPL...
I'd be happy to do this if it hasn't been done. After a quick perusal of the
script I think it would be very straightforward.
Sounds like the who is going to do this needs to be sorted out. 
PeerDirect and SRA have already done this, Peter has started on it as 
well, etc.

Perhaps Peter should integrate the patches from PeerDirect or SRA, as 
he'll be most familiar with the code and it'll then take that bit of 
work off Bruce's plate?

It's just a thought anyway...  :)

Regards and best wishes,

Justin Clift


cheers

andrew


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Re: [HACKERS] Who puts the Windows binaries on the FTP server?

2003-03-09 Thread Justin Clift
Dave Page wrote:
It's rumoured that Justin Clift once said:

There's more to making PostgreSQL work on Windows than just the pure
packaging issues.  We still have to figure out how we're going to
handle stuff like needed grep, sed, etc just for PostgreSQL to run
(they're required by initdb).
I thought the idea was initdb would be rewritten in C. We cannot include
grep/sed etc as they're GPL...
I heard Peter mention that, but my email seems to be a tad spotty and I 
haven't come across the rest of the conversation about it.

That would be really good of course, as it reduces the external 
dependencies.  :)


We're also going to need to have a good idea of what other nice
features  could/should be packaged along with it.  i.e.:
+ a GUI to control some things (installation/deinstallation of the
  PostgreSQL Service, perhaps vacuuming, etc).


Hang on, I heard of a good one the other day... :-)
There's a couple of potentials.  ;-)


+ Shortcuts in the Program menu to things (PostgreSQL website(s),
  online documentation, etc)
Those are just decisions to make aren't they? They don't require a Cygwin
proof of concept.
Sure.  But I hadn't thought about them until building the cygwin proof 
of concept.  Think of it as a test run to see what kind of things it 
brought to mind.  :)

Another thing is the international support.  The Proof of Concept 
version was a bad hack in that it forced installation into C:\Program 
Files\PostgreSQL.  For non-english versions of Windows, they have 
C:\Program Files being names to other things, dependant on the 
language.  This broke the installation of course.  :(

With a proper installer (as you've mentioned), that shouldn't be a 
problem as it should automatically install into the correct PostgreSQL 
subdirectory of whatever the equivalent of Program Files is, on 
whatever drive.  Registry entries (if used) should properly match of course.


+ Which parts of the installation should be mandatory, and which
should
  be optional.  i.e. Base server files should be mandatory, HTML docs
  should be optional, perhaps include the ODBC driver as optional too.
Likewise, these are decisions to make and then suitable programming of the
installer. Making bits optional should be trivial in any good installer.
Don't get me wrong, I think it's great that someone has finally built a
good Cygwin based package - I just don't think it answers many of the
issues that we will likely encounter.
No, but it brought some of them to light.  :)


Regards, Dave.

PS. Is the source on the ftpsite - if not you'll have Jason after you
before long :-)
The source?  It's the standard version of cygwin.  It's just packaged 
differently.  :)

The packaging scripts themselves though have gone into the ether 
forever, as the drive they were on was lost a few weeks ago (rebooted 
one day and it didn't come back).  :(  If absolutely needed, we could 
reverse engineer them back from the installation package. (painful)

Regards and best wishes,

Justin Clift

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Re: [HACKERS] Who puts the Windows binaries on the FTP server?

2003-03-09 Thread Andrew Dunstan

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From: Dave Page [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 I thought the idea was initdb would be rewritten in C. We cannot include
 grep/sed etc as they're GPL...

I'd be happy to do this if it hasn't been done. After a quick perusal of the
script I think it would be very straightforward.

cheers

andrew


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Re: [HACKERS] Who puts the Windows binaries on the FTP server?

2003-03-09 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Justin Clift writes:

  I thought the idea was initdb would be rewritten in C. We cannot include
  grep/sed etc as they're GPL...

 I heard Peter mention that, but my email seems to be a tad spotty and I
 haven't come across the rest of the conversation about it.

I've started rewriting some of the shell scripts in C.  initdb will be a
lot trickier.  We'll see.

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Re: [HACKERS] Who puts the Windows binaries on the FTP server?

2003-03-08 Thread Merlin Moncure
Justin Clift wrote:
  This is the 'proof of concept' cygwin windows build.  Strangely, I
have
  a newer build than the one on the ftp server.  Is there a binary
version
  of postgres with Jan's patch available?
 
 Uh Oh.
 
 When you say newer version, what gives the feeling of it being
newer?
 
The timestamp of the file on the ftp server is 1/28/03.  The timestamp
of file I previously dl'd (which I collected from whatever link you
posted on this list) is 2/3/03.  However I downloaded the older version
and they are the same (same number of bytes, at least).

Merlin

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Re: [HACKERS] Who puts the Windows binaries on the FTP server?

2003-03-08 Thread Justin Clift
Merlin Moncure wrote:
Justin Clift wrote:
snip
The timestamp of the file on the ftp server is 1/28/03.  The timestamp
of file I previously dl'd (which I collected from whatever link you
posted on this list) is 2/3/03.  However I downloaded the older version
and they are the same (same number of bytes, at least).
That's cool, it's probably just that the timestamp wasn't correctly 
carried onto the FTP server.

:-)

Regards and best wishes,

Justin Clift


Merlin


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Re: [HACKERS] Who puts the Windows binaries on the FTP server?

2003-03-08 Thread Dave Page
It's rumoured that Justin Clift once said:
 It's a simplified installation package of 7.3.1 with cygwin.  Put it
 together so we can get a feel for the packaging issues we'll need to
 take into account for the proper release of a 7.4 Windows version.

Yeah, but it won't will it? You're seeing all the normal Cygwin issues but
nicely hidden away I'll bet. Installing the native version will be easy,
as we won't be messing around with Cywin or CygIPC. I would expect to be
able to build an installer in about 15 minutes excluding the time taken to
make the installer's UI look purdy...
Regards, Dave.





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Re: [HACKERS] Who puts the Windows binaries on the FTP server?

2003-03-07 Thread Justin Clift
Merlin Moncure wrote:
This is the 'proof of concept' cygwin windows build.  Strangely, I have
a newer build than the one on the ftp server.  Is there a binary version
of postgres with Jan's patch available?
Uh Oh.

When you say newer version, what gives the feeling of it being newer?

In the Proof of Concept Windows series, there's only been that first 
build.  It's going to take some time for the next one as well, as the 
Win2K PC it was developed on had a problem and had to wipe the hard 
drive.  (i.e. all of the packaging scripts, data, etc).  :-/

Regards and best wishes,

Justin Clift


Merlin


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Re: [HACKERS] Who puts the Windows binaries on the FTP server?

2003-03-07 Thread Justin Clift
Bruce Momjian wrote:
What is this build, exactly?  It is Jan's patch brough up to 7.3, or cygwin?
It's a simplified installation package of 7.3.1 with cygwin.  Put it 
together so we can get a feel for the packaging issues we'll need to 
take into account for the proper release of a 7.4 Windows version.

Getting the next version out the door is taking a bit more time than 
anticipated though.  :(

Regards and best wishes,

Justin Clift

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Re: [HACKERS] Who puts the Windows binaries on the FTP server?

2003-03-07 Thread Bruce Momjian

What is this build, exactly?  It is Jan's patch brough up to 7.3, or cygwin?

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Justin Clift wrote:
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  How about putting a README file in that directory as well, giving out 
  the same warnings and contact information that appears upon install?
 
 Thanks Greg, excellent suggestion.
 
 Just added it to my personal ToDo list.
 
 :)
 
 Regards and best wishes,
 
 Justin Clift
 
 
  
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Re: [HACKERS] Who puts the Windows binaries on the FTP server?

2003-03-06 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Justin Clift writes:

 Yep, that's the first Proof of Concept build, and it *prominently* has
 a message at the start of the installation that says to email me with
 any problems about it.

Maybe a so-called Proof of Concept build could be put into an area on
the FTP server that conveys that fact in the directory names (like test
or contrib or whatever).  Because those who need a more production-grade
build will likely confuse this.

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Re: [HACKERS] Who puts the Windows binaries on the FTP server?

2003-03-06 Thread Justin Clift
Peter Eisentraut wrote:
Justin Clift writes:

Yep, that's the first Proof of Concept build, and it *prominently* has
a message at the start of the installation that says to email me with
any problems about it.
Maybe a so-called Proof of Concept build could be put into an area on
the FTP server that conveys that fact in the directory names (like test
or contrib or whatever).  Because those who need a more production-grade
build will likely confuse this.
That's probably not a bad idea.

It has warnings *all over it* (main window title, big warning messages 
during the install, etc), but we know from experience that some people 
don't read anything and just click the Next button until things finish.

Marc, what do you feel?  How about a testing or development or 
similar base directory on the website to put testing releases?

Regards and best wishes,

Justin Clift

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Re: [HACKERS] Who puts the Windows binaries on the FTP server?

2003-03-06 Thread greg

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 I'm open to suggestions for making a more visible way for people to know 
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Re: [HACKERS] Who puts the Windows binaries on the FTP server?

2003-03-06 Thread Justin Clift
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How about putting a README file in that directory as well, giving out 
the same warnings and contact information that appears upon install?
Thanks Greg, excellent suggestion.

Just added it to my personal ToDo list.

:)

Regards and best wishes,

Justin Clift


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Re: [HACKERS] Who puts the Windows binaries on the FTP server?

2003-03-05 Thread Marc G. Fournier

Justin put them up, but I believe that any bug reports for them should be
sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...

On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, Peter Eisentraut wrote:

 There are Windows binaries on the PostgreSQL FTP server mirrors, for
 example,

 http://ftp.de.postgresql.org/mirror/postgresql/binary/v7.3.1/Windows/

 that users are having problems with.  Apparently there is no name or
 address of any creator available.  So who did this and would like to fix
 the packaging?

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Re: [HACKERS] Who puts the Windows binaries on the FTP server?

2003-03-05 Thread Justin Clift
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
Justin put them up, but I believe that any bug reports for them should be
sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...
Yep, that's the first Proof of Concept build, and it *prominently* has 
a message at the start of the installation that says to email me with 
any problems about it.

I'm open to suggestions for making a more visible way for people to know 
how to contact us, if needed.

:)

Regards and best wishes,

Justin Clift


On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, Peter Eisentraut wrote:


There are Windows binaries on the PostgreSQL FTP server mirrors, for
example,
http://ftp.de.postgresql.org/mirror/postgresql/binary/v7.3.1/Windows/

that users are having problems with.  Apparently there is no name or
address of any creator available.  So who did this and would like to fix
the packaging?
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