Re: [JDBC] [PATCHES] Ant configuration

2001-10-24 Thread Ned Wolpert
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 23-Oct-2001 Peter Eisentraut wrote: Gunnar Rønning writes: | * In numerous attempts I have failed to convince Ant to place the built | files in a tree different from the source tree. This really makes it a | pain to build for multiple

Re: FW: Re: [JDBC] [PATCHES] Ant configuration

2001-10-23 Thread Gunnar Rønning
* Peter Eisentraut [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | Seriously would installing GNU Make be enough, or would you need to install | Cygwin and other packages as well ? | | GNU make runs natively on Windows. I know and I've used GNU Make when working with Windows, but that taught me that you often

Re: FW: Re: [JDBC] [PATCHES] Ant configuration

2001-10-23 Thread Bruce Momjian
Gunnar R?nning writes: Seriously would installing GNU Make be enough, or would you need to install Cygwin and other packages as well ? GNU make runs natively on Windows. We do allow ODBC to be built natively on MS Windows. Does that require gmake or can it use native MSWin buildfiles?

Re: FW: Re: [JDBC] [PATCHES] Ant configuration

2001-10-23 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Gunnar Rønning writes: Seriously would installing GNU Make be enough, or would you need to install Cygwin and other packages as well ? GNU make runs natively on Windows. -- Peter Eisentraut [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://funkturm.homeip.net/~peter ---(end of

Re: [JDBC] [PATCHES] Ant configuration

2001-10-22 Thread Ned Wolpert
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 20-Oct-2001 Gunnar Rønning wrote: | * Ant doesn't provide an exit status; you have to watch the build to see | if it works. This is unacceptable. Hmm. Anybody with a solution here ? Actuall, it does. Example: [wolpert@wolpert configTest]$

Re: FW: Re: [JDBC] [PATCHES] Ant configuration

2001-10-20 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Ned Wolpert writes: 3) Java is system independant, and the JDBC driver is a client piece. I should be able to compile the JDBC driver outside of PostgreSQL server if I wanted to, right? Example, I can't compile PostgreSQL on windozes 95. But I could compile the JDBC driver via ant if Java

Re: [JDBC] [PATCHES] Ant configuration

2001-10-20 Thread Gunnar Rønning
* Peter Eisentraut [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | * Ant needs to be installed. Of course this is not that much of a | problem because you can simply install it. However, in automated build | environments this might not be so easy, so people are just going to opt to | leave out the JDBC driver.

Re: FW: Re: [JDBC] [PATCHES] Ant configuration

2001-10-20 Thread Gunnar Rønning
* Peter Eisentraut [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | compile the JDBC driver via ant if Java and ant are installed. (Or, rather, I | should be able to) | | You can also install GNU make on Windows. This is how we used to build or apps on Windows before Ant, but we portability issues with respect

Re: [JDBC] [PATCHES] Ant configuration

2001-10-20 Thread Dave Cramer
Dave Cramer writes: The one issue I have with a non ant based build system is that it makes it difficult to build the driver on a windows machine. That is a valid concern that we're going to have to think about before we move to another method. What problems does ant present? * Ant

Re: [JDBC] [PATCHES] Ant configuration

2001-10-20 Thread Gunnar Rønning
* Dave Cramer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | | There seems to be enough interested parties to support both build tools. | For the folks that want a Makefile, they can support it. If someone | wants to support the build.xml file, then we should encourage it. I | suspect that one of them will become

Re: [JDBC] [PATCHES] Ant configuration

2001-10-19 Thread Bruce Momjian
OK, TODO item removed. * Bruce Momjian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | I think I can safely at to TODO: | | JDBC | o Move from Ant to Make builds I don't think there is consesus over at the JDBC list yet. We need to get all the pros/cons for both solutions on the table

Re: FW: Re: [JDBC] [PATCHES] Ant configuration

2001-10-19 Thread Ned Wolpert
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 19-Oct-2001 Bruce Momjian wrote: One significant issue here is that unlike our other binaries, the JAR files run on any platform so they don't really need to compile in MS Win. They can just download it from a web site or we could ship the

Re: FW: Re: [JDBC] [PATCHES] Ant configuration

2001-10-19 Thread Bruce Momjian
I guess I can make an argument either way. The real way to answer this is to ask if one cares if you can build the JDBC driver on window's only platform without cygwin installed. -If the answer is no, that one wouldn't build the JDBC driver without building the rest of postgresql,

Re: FW: Re: [JDBC] [PATCHES] Ant configuration

2001-10-19 Thread Gunnar Rønning
* Ned Wolpert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Win. They can just download it from a web site or we could ship the | jdbc JAR ourselves. | | True. I was really looking at it from those who wanted to build the jar from | source. If we make the jarfile available from the website, that's good for

Re: [JDBC] [PATCHES] Ant configuration

2001-10-19 Thread Gunnar Rønning
* Ned Wolpert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | Specifically, if we can include the ANT libraries in our CVS then my | objection to ANT (requiring users to trackdown and download ANT) goes | away, and I would then suggest we continue to use ANT for the other | reasons you mention. | | Works

FW: Re: [JDBC] [PATCHES] Ant configuration

2001-10-19 Thread Ned Wolpert
I meant to send this to the group... -FW: [EMAIL PROTECTED]- Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 10:45:43 -0700 (MST) Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Ned Wolpert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Barry Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [JDBC] [PATCHES] Ant configuration -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE

Re: [JDBC] [PATCHES] Ant configuration

2001-10-19 Thread Ned Wolpert
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 19-Oct-2001 Barry Lind wrote: Did you send this just to me or the entire list. It appears that you sent it just to me. I think the good points you make here should be seen by everyone. Can you send it to the pgsql-jdbc list? Whoops.

Re: [JDBC] [PATCHES] Ant configuration

2001-10-19 Thread Gunnar Rønning
* Dave Cramer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | The one issue I have with a non ant based build system is that it makes | it difficult to build the driver on a windows machine. I think is a valid concern, since a lot of clients presumably will be running on other architectures. Maybe a twofold

Re: [JDBC] [PATCHES] Ant configuration

2001-10-19 Thread Gunnar Rønning
* Bruce Momjian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | I think I can safely at to TODO: | | JDBC | o Move from Ant to Make builds I don't think there is consesus over at the JDBC list yet. We need to get all the pros/cons for both solutions on the table first. Make is not neccesarily better

Re: [JDBC] [PATCHES] Ant configuration

2001-10-18 Thread Vianen, Jeroen van
-Original Message- From: Dave Cramer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 03:17 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [JDBC] [PATCHES] Ant configuration Given that ant is (or is becoming) the defacto standard for building java apps I am reluctant to remove

Re: [JDBC] [PATCHES] Ant configuration

2001-10-18 Thread Marko Kreen
On Wed, Oct 17, 2001 at 07:37:27PM -0700, Barry Lind wrote: I am one of the jdbc maintainers. That is why I posted this to the list as I did. I wanted to see if there was concensus on this issue one way or the other. In looking at your patch, I don't have any problems with it

Re: [JDBC] [PATCHES] Ant configuration

2001-10-18 Thread Barry Lind
Marko, But it seems to me that Ant has a positive side too: I agree that there are positive reasons to use Ant (that is why it was done in the first place). It is just that in retrospect, I don't believe the pluses outweigh the minuses. * People with Java background probably know

Re: [JDBC] [PATCHES] Ant configuration

2001-10-18 Thread Dave Cramer
:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Peter Eisentraut Sent: October 18, 2001 5:04 PM To: Barry Lind Cc: Marko Kreen; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [JDBC] [PATCHES] Ant configuration Barry Lind writes: I don't like this patch. If anything I think we should remove the dependency

Re: [JDBC] [PATCHES] Ant configuration

2001-10-18 Thread Bruce Momjian
Barry Lind writes: I don't like this patch. If anything I think we should remove the dependency on ANT, not remove the dependency on make. The use of Ant originally seemed attractive because it would solve the detection of the jdk version, the portable invocation of the compiler, and

Re: [JDBC] [PATCHES] Ant configuration

2001-10-18 Thread Thomas O'Dowd
* In Ant the build file will be much less complex than a Makefile with same functionality. And same time in Ant it is much easier to check local Java internal setup. I agree that this is true, but I think a much better job can be done to minimize the added complexity. I have

Re: [JDBC] [PATCHES] Ant configuration

2001-10-17 Thread Barry Lind
I don't like this patch. If anything I think we should remove the dependency on ANT, not remove the dependency on make. By requiring ANT, we provide yet another hurdle for someone wanting to use JDBC with postgres. I would prefer that the build environment be the same for the database as

Re: [JDBC] [PATCHES] Ant configuration

2001-10-17 Thread Marko Kreen
On Wed, Oct 17, 2001 at 01:23:13PM -0700, Barry Lind wrote: I don't like this patch. If anything I think we should remove the dependency on ANT, not remove the dependency on make. By requiring ANT, we provide yet another hurdle for someone wanting to use JDBC with postgres. I would

Re: [JDBC] [PATCHES] Ant configuration

2001-10-17 Thread Dave Cramer
17, 2001 4:23 PM To: Marko Kreen Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [JDBC] [PATCHES] Ant configuration I don't like this patch. If anything I think we should remove the dependency on ANT, not remove the dependency on make. By requiring ANT, we provide yet another hurdle

Re: [JDBC] [PATCHES] Ant configuration

2001-10-17 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Wed, Oct 17, 2001 at 01:23:13PM -0700, Barry Lind wrote: I don't like this patch. If anything I think we should remove the dependency on ANT, not remove the dependency on make. By requiring ANT, we provide yet another hurdle for someone wanting to use JDBC with postgres. I