Re: [PATCHES] Replication Documentation

2006-08-02 Thread Markus Schiltknecht

Hello,

Peter Eisentraut wrote:

1. post information on pgsql-general
1.a. solicit comments
2. put information page on web site
3. link from documentation to web site


I don't remember such a clear agreement either. I'm glad Chris has 
written something. And posting it to -docs seems a much better fit, IMHO.


Also, I think we didn't really agree on where exactly to put what 
information. See my previous mail on -hackers for my opinion on that.


I don't think this sort of material belongs directly into the PostgreSQL 
documentation.


I agree with that.

Regards

Markus

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Re: [PATCHES] Replication Documentation

2006-08-01 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Chris Browne wrote:
 Here's a patch to add in the material on replication recently
 discussed on pgsql.docs.  I'm not thrilled that there were only a few
 comments made; I'd be happy to see slicing and dicing to see this
 made more useful.

s/e.g. -/e.g.,/
s/ - /ndash;/

The indentation of the SGML file seems at odds with our conventions (we
don't use tabs, for one thing.)

You mention this:

   para Common methods include having triggers on tables,
   capturing SQL statements, and capturing transaction log (WAL)
   updates /para

However you don't mention anything about WAL captures.  Mentioning that
PITR is one of these would be good.

In the last few paragraphs, the title is about Postgres-R but then you
comment on Slony-II.  Should the title mention both?

 para As a result of those problems, Slony-II efforts have fallen
 off somewhat. /para

s/those/these/ ?

Otherwise looks good to my untrained eyes.

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Re: [PATCHES] Replication Documentation

2006-08-01 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]




s/sequnce/sequence/

Nice work!





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Re: [PATCHES] Replication Documentation

2006-08-01 Thread Tatsuo Ishii
Thanks for mentioning about pgpool!

sect2title pgpool /title
 
 para applicationpgpool/application was initially created by
 Tatsuo Isshii as a portable alternative to Java connection pool
 modules.  He subsequently observed that it wouldn't take very much
 effort to extend it to create a simple replication system: if it
 is forwarding SQL queries to a PostgreSQL instance, extending that
 to two databases is very straightforward. /para
 
 para It suffers, by nature, from the problems associated with
 replicating using capture of SQL statements; any sort of
 nondeterminism in the replicated statements will cause the
 databases to diverge. /para
 
 para On the other hand, it is very easy to install and
 configure; for users with simple requirements, that can
 suffice. /para
 
 para A applicationpgpool-2/application is under way which
 introduces a more sophisticated query parser to try to address the
 nondeterminism issues; that may limit ongoing support for the
 legacy version./para

pgpool-II (not pgpool-2, please) does not try to resolve
nondeterminism issues but try to add parallel SELECT query
execution. Also we will continue to support legacy version until
pgpool-II becomes stable enough.

Also you might want to add pgpool development site URL.

FYI, pgpool-II presentation material for PostgreSQL Anniversary Summit
can be obtained from:
http://www.sraoss.co.jp/event_seminar/2006/pgpool_feat_and_devel.pdf
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Re: [PATCHES] Replication Documentation

2006-08-01 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Chris Browne wrote:
 Here's a patch to add in the material on replication recently
 discussed on pgsql.docs.  I'm not thrilled that there were only a few
 comments made; I'd be happy to see slicing and dicing to see this
 made more useful.

The agreed-to process was

1. post information on pgsql-general
1.a. solicit comments
2. put information page on web site
3. link from documentation to web site

You seem to have short-circuited all that.

I don't think this sort of material belongs directly into the PostgreSQL 
documentation.

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Re: [PATCHES] Replication Documentation

2006-08-01 Thread Joshua D. Drake


1. post information on pgsql-general
1.a. solicit comments
2. put information page on web site
3. link from documentation to web site

You seem to have short-circuited all that.

I don't think this sort of material belongs directly into the PostgreSQL 
documentation.


It might be interesting to have some links in the external projects area 
for replication, but a section of its own doesn't seem relevant.


Joshua D. Drkae




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Re: [PATCHES] Replication Documentation

2006-08-01 Thread Christopher Browne
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Eisentraut) wrote:
 Chris Browne wrote:
 Here's a patch to add in the material on replication recently
 discussed on pgsql.docs.  I'm not thrilled that there were only a few
 comments made; I'd be happy to see slicing and dicing to see this
 made more useful.

 The agreed-to process was

 1. post information on pgsql-general
 1.a. solicit comments
 2. put information page on web site
 3. link from documentation to web site

 You seem to have short-circuited all that.

 I don't think this sort of material belongs directly into the PostgreSQL 
 documentation.

I don't recall that anyone agreed to do anything in particular, let
alone the process being formalized thus.

Bruce was looking for there to be some form of overview of the free
replication options so he'd have some kind of tale to tell about it.
Apparently the issue comes up fairly frequently.

1.  I posted information on pgsql-docs
1.a. I solicited comments
2.  There being not many of those, I have put together something that
could fit into the documentation.

I frankly don't care all that much where the material goes; if it
ought to be some place else other than in the documentation tree
proper, I'm fine with that.
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