Re: [PERFORM] RAID stripe size question

2006-07-17 Thread Alex Turner
On 7/17/06, Ron Peacetree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -Original Message->From: Mikael Carneholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>Sent: Jul 17, 2006 5:16 PM>To: Ron  Peacetree < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>, pgsql-performance@postgresql.org>Subject: RE: [PERFORM] RAID stripe size question>>>15Krpm HDs will have ave

Re: [PERFORM] RAID stripe size question

2006-07-17 Thread Ron Peacetree
-Original Message- >From: Mikael Carneholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Jul 17, 2006 5:16 PM >To: Ron Peacetree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, pgsql-performance@postgresql.org >Subject: RE: [PERFORM] RAID stripe size question > >>15Krpm HDs will have average access times of 5-6ms. 10Krpm ones of 7-8m

Re: [PERFORM] RAID stripe size question

2006-07-17 Thread Mark Kirkwood
Mikael Carneholm wrote: Btw, here's the bonnie++ results from two different array sets (10+18, 4+24) on the MSA1500: LUN: DATA, 24 disks, stripe size 64K - Version 1.03 --Sequential Output-- --Sequential Input- --Random- -P

Re: [PERFORM] RAID stripe size question

2006-07-17 Thread Mikael Carneholm
>Unless I'm missing something, the only FC or SCSI HDs of ~147GB capacity are >15K, not 10K. In the spec we got from HP, they are listed as model 286716-B22 (http://www.dealtime.com/xPF-Compaq_HP_146_8_GB_286716_B22) which seems to run at 10K. Don't know how old those are, but that's what we go

Re: [PERFORM] Big differences in plans between 8.0 and 8.1

2006-07-17 Thread Chris Hoover
Just turn on autovacuuming on your 8.1 database.  You can tune the vacuum and autovacuum parameters to minimize the impact to  your system.  This is the optimal route to take since PG will maintain the tables for you as needed. HTH,ChrisOn 7/15/06, Gabriele Turchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Il gior

Re: [PERFORM] RAID stripe size question

2006-07-17 Thread Alex Turner
On 7/17/06, Mikael Carneholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> This is something I'd also would like to test, as a common>> best-practice these days is to go for a SAME (stripe all, mirroreverything) setup.>> From a development perspective it's easier to use SAME as the >> developers won't have to thin

Re: [PERFORM] RAID stripe size question

2006-07-17 Thread Steinar H. Gunderson
On Mon, Jul 17, 2006 at 09:40:30AM -0400, Ron Peacetree wrote: > Unless I'm missing something, the only FC or SCSI HDs of ~147GB capacity are > 15K, not 10K. > (unless they are old?) There are still 146GB SCSI 1rpm disks being sold here, at least. /* Steinar */ -- Homepage: http://www.sesse

Re: [PERFORM] RAID stripe size question

2006-07-17 Thread Ron Peacetree
>From: Mikael Carneholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Jul 16, 2006 6:52 PM >To: pgsql-performance@postgresql.org >Subject: [PERFORM] RAID stripe size question > >I have finally gotten my hands on the MSA1500 that we ordered some time >ago. It has 28 x 10K 146Gb drives, > Unless I'm missing something,

Re: [PERFORM] RAID stripe size question

2006-07-17 Thread Mikael Carneholm
>> This is something I'd also would like to test, as a common >> best-practice these days is to go for a SAME (stripe all, mirror everything) setup. >> From a development perspective it's easier to use SAME as the >> developers won't have to think about physical location for new >> tables/indice

Re: [PERFORM] RAID stripe size question

2006-07-17 Thread Markus Schaber
Hi, Mikael, Mikael Carneholm wrote: > This is something I'd also would like to test, as a common best-practice > these days is to go for a SAME (stripe all, mirror everything) setup. > From a development perspective it's easier to use SAME as the developers > won't have to think about physical lo

Re: [PERFORM] RAID stripe size question

2006-07-17 Thread Mikael Carneholm
>I think the main difference is that the WAL activity is mostly linear, where the normal data activity is rather random access. That was what I was expecting, and after reading http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/perf/raid/concepts/perfStripe-c.html I figured that a different stripe size for the WAL s

Re: [PERFORM] RAID stripe size question

2006-07-17 Thread Markus Schaber
Hi, Mikael, Mikael Carneholm wrote: > An 0+1 array of 4 disks *could* be enough, but I'm still unsure how WAL > activity correlates to "normal data" activity (is it 1:1, 1:2, 1:4, > ...?) I think the main difference is that the WAL activity is mostly linear, where the normal data activity is rat

Re: [PERFORM] RAID stripe size question

2006-07-17 Thread Mikael Carneholm
Yeah, it seems to be a waste of disk space (spindles as well?). I was unsure how much activity the WAL disks would have compared to the data disks, so I created an array from 10 disks as the application is very write intense (many spindles / high throughput is crucial). I guess that a mirror of two