Re: [PERFORM] Dell PowerEdge 2950 performance

2006-08-17 Thread alvis
Bucky Jordan wrote: Here's some simplistic performance numbers: time bash -c "(dd if=/dev/zero of=bigfile count=125000 bs=8k && sync)" Raid0 x 2 (2 spindles) ~138 MB/s on BSD PE2950 FreeBSD6.1 i386 raid0 (2spindles): time csh -c "(dd if=/dev/zero of=/data/bigfile count=125000 bs=8k && sync)

Re: [PERFORM] Q: Performance of join vs embedded query for simple queries?

2006-08-17 Thread Tom Lane
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > That makes sense. Would it be reasonable for the planner to eliminate > plan considerations based on the existence of unique indexes, or is > this a fundamentally difficult thing to get right in the general case? The big obstacle to that at the moment is that we don't h

Re: [PERFORM] Q: Performance of join vs embedded query for simple queries?

2006-08-17 Thread mark
On Thu, Aug 17, 2006 at 09:21:33PM -0400, Tom Lane wrote: > Another related form is > > neudb=> select uid, name from sm_change where system_dbid IN (select > system_dbid from sm_system where uid = > '2ff5942c.dd2911d5.ad56.08:00:09:fd:1b:da') and lower(name) = > lower('markm-Q00855572'); > ...

Re: [PERFORM] Q: Performance of join vs embedded query for simple queries?

2006-08-17 Thread mark
On Thu, Aug 17, 2006 at 09:21:33PM -0400, Tom Lane wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > I have two simple queries that do what I believe to be the exact same > > thing. > These are actually not equivalent per spec. > ... > This still isn't equivalent to the join: it'll return at most one copy > o

Re: [PERFORM] Q: Performance of join vs embedded query for simple queries?

2006-08-17 Thread Tom Lane
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I have two simple queries that do what I believe to be the exact same > thing. These are actually not equivalent per spec. > neudb=> select uid, name from sm_change where system_dbid = (select > system_dbid from sm_system where uid = > '2ff5942c.dd2911d5.ad56.08:00:0

[PERFORM] Q: Performance of join vs embedded query for simple queries?

2006-08-17 Thread mark
I have two simple queries that do what I believe to be the exact same thing. I was surprised to see a reliable, and what I consider to be significant (although not problematic for my application) difference in execution time. It hints to me that PostgreSQL may be missing an optimization opportunity

Re: [PERFORM] PostgreSQL runs a query much slower than BDE and MySQL

2006-08-17 Thread Tom Lane
"Peter Hardman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 17 Aug 2006 at 14:33, Tom Lane wrote: >> I found a couple of minor planner problems, which I've repaired in CVS >> HEAD. You might consider using TEXT columns instead of VARCHAR(n), > As someone else suggested, these fields ought really to be CHAR

Re: [PERFORM] PostgreSQL runs a query much slower than BDE and MySQL

2006-08-17 Thread Scott Lamb
Peter, I compared these using the data you supplied on my PostgreSQL 8.1.4 system: On Aug 17, 2006, at 12:09 PM, Scott Lamb wrote: On Aug 16, 2006, at 3:51 PM, Tom Lane wrote: /* Select all sheep who's most recent transfer was into the subject flock */ SELECT DISTINCT f1.regn_no, f1.transf

Re: [PERFORM] PostgreSQL runs a query much slower than BDE and MySQL

2006-08-17 Thread Peter Hardman
On 17 Aug 2006 at 20:58, Peter Hardman wrote: > > > On 16 Aug 2006 at 17:48, Peter Hardman wrote: > > > I'm in the process of migrating a Paradox 7/BDE 5.01 database from single-user > > Paradox to a web based interface to either MySQL or PostgreSQL. > > > I've uploaded my data to www.s

Re: [PERFORM] PostgreSQL runs a query much slower than BDE and MySQL

2006-08-17 Thread Peter Hardman
On 17 Aug 2006 at 14:33, Tom Lane wrote: > I wrote: > > Anywy, your point about the sort being redundant is a good one, and > > offhand I'd have expected PG to catch that; I'll have to look into > > why it didn't. But that's not going to explain a 10x speed > > difference, because the sort isn't

Re: [PERFORM] PostgreSQL runs a query much slower than BDE and MySQL

2006-08-17 Thread Peter Hardman
On 16 Aug 2006 at 17:48, Peter Hardman wrote: > I'm in the process of migrating a Paradox 7/BDE 5.01 database from > single-user > Paradox to a web based interface to either MySQL or PostgreSQL. I've uploaded my data to www.shetland-sheep.org.uk/pgdata/sheep-flock.zip The flock SSBXXX is t

Re: [PERFORM] PostgreSQL runs a query much slower than BDE and MySQL

2006-08-17 Thread Scott Lamb
On Aug 16, 2006, at 3:51 PM, Tom Lane wrote: /* Select all sheep who's most recent transfer was into the subject flock */ SELECT DISTINCT f1.regn_no, f1.transfer_date as date_in FROM SHEEP_FLOCK f1 JOIN /* The last transfer date for each sheep */ (SELECT f.regn_no, MAX(f.transfer_date)

Re: [PERFORM] PostgreSQL runs a query much slower than BDE and MySQL

2006-08-17 Thread Scott Lamb
I have no idea if there's a standard name or what it may be, but for what it's worth, this sounds similar to the optimizations I wanted for a different query: http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-performance/2005-11/msg00037.php 1. Recognize that a term constant across the whole sort is ir

Re: [PERFORM] PostgreSQL runs a query much slower than BDE and MySQL

2006-08-17 Thread Tom Lane
I wrote: > Anywy, your point about the sort being redundant is a good one, and > offhand I'd have expected PG to catch that; I'll have to look into > why it didn't. But that's not going to explain a 10x speed > difference, because the sort isn't 90% of the runtime. I dug into this using some made

Re: [PERFORM] PostgreSQL runs a query much slower than BDE and

2006-08-17 Thread Magnus Hagander
> MSSQL can give either a graphical query plan or a text-based > one similar to PG. There's no way that I've found to get the > equivalent of an EXPLAIN ANALYZE, but I'm by no means an MSSQL guru. SET STATISTICS IO ON SET STATISTICS PROFILE ON SET STATISTICS TIME ON //Magnus

Re: [PERFORM] PostgreSQL runs a query much slower than BDE and

2006-08-17 Thread Mark Lewis
MSSQL can give either a graphical query plan or a text-based one similar to PG. There's no way that I've found to get the equivalent of an EXPLAIN ANALYZE, but I'm by no means an MSSQL guru. To get a neat-looking but not very useful graphical query plan from the Query Analyzer tool, hit . To get

Re: [PERFORM] PostgreSQL runs a query much slower than BDE and MySQL

2006-08-17 Thread Tom Lane
"Peter Hardman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I wonder whether Paradox and MySQL are just not doing the sort (this > seems to be what eats up the time), since the output of the subquery > is in fact already in the proper order. MSSQL (from the other thread). I feel fairly safe in assuming that My

Re: [PERFORM] PostgreSQL runs a query much slower than BDE and MySQL

2006-08-17 Thread Markus Schaber
Hi, Peter, Peter Hardman wrote: > select version() returns > > PostgreSQL 8.1.3 on i686-pc-mingw32, compiled by GCC gcc.exe (GCC) 3.4.2 > (mingw-special) That looks correct. I also presume that your environment is not as fragile wr/t connecting do wrong databases, compared to debian with thei

Re: [PERFORM] PostgreSQL runs a query much slower than BDE and MySQL

2006-08-17 Thread Peter Hardman
On 17 Aug 2006 at 12:11, Markus Schaber wrote: > Hi, Peter, > > Peter Hardman wrote: > > >> BTW, are you *sure* you are testing PG 8.1? The "Subquery Scan f2" plan > >> node looks unnecessary to me, and I'd have expected 8.1 to drop it out. > >> 8.0 and before would have left it in the plan tho

Re: [PERFORM] PostgreSQL runs a query much slower than BDE and MySQL

2006-08-17 Thread Markus Schaber
Hi, Peter, Peter Hardman wrote: >> BTW, are you *sure* you are testing PG 8.1? The "Subquery Scan f2" plan >> node looks unnecessary to me, and I'd have expected 8.1 to drop it out. >> 8.0 and before would have left it in the plan though. This doesn't make >> all that much difference performanc

Re: [PERFORM] PostgreSQL runs a query much slower than BDE and MySQL

2006-08-17 Thread Peter Hardman
On 16 Aug 2006 at 18:51, Tom Lane wrote: > "Peter Hardman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I'm in the process of migrating a Paradox 7/BDE 5.01 database from > > single-user Arjen van der Meijden has proposed a very elegant query in another post. > What I find interesting though is that it s

Re: [PERFORM] PostgreSQL runs a query much slower than BDE and MySQL

2006-08-17 Thread Peter Hardman
On 17 Aug 2006 at 10:00, Mario Weilguni wrote: > not really sure if this is right without any testdata, but isn't that what > you > want? > > CREATE index foo on sheep_flock (flock_no); > > SELECT DISTINCT on (f1.transfer_date) f1.regn_no, f1.transfer_date as date_in > FROM SHEEP_FLOCK f1 > W