Re: [GENERAL] [PERFORM] [ADMIN] Postgres VS Oracle

2007-06-20 Thread Scott Marlowe
Andrew Kelly wrote: On Mon, 2007-06-18 at 13:02 -0400, Jonah H. Harris wrote: On 6/18/07, Andreas Kostyrka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: As a cynic, I might ask, what Oracle is fearing? As a realist, I might ask, how many times do we have to answer this type of anti-commercial-data

Re: [PERFORM] [ADMIN] Postgres VS Oracle

2007-06-19 Thread Simon Riggs
On Mon, 2007-06-18 at 17:55 +0200, David Tokmatchi wrote: > I am DBA for Oracle and beginner on Postgres. For an company in > France, I must make a comparative study, between Postgres and Oracle. > Can you send any useful document which can help me. > Scalability ? Performance? Benchmark ? Availab

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [PERFORM] [ADMIN] Postgres VS Oracle

2007-06-19 Thread Jim Nasby
Can we please trim this down to just advocacy? On Jun 18, 2007, at 1:17 PM, Joshua D. Drake wrote: Jonah H. Harris wrote: On 6/18/07, Andreas Kostyrka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: As a cynic, I might ask, what Oracle is fearing? As a realist, I might ask, how many times do we have to answer th

Re: [GENERAL] [pgsql-advocacy] [PERFORM] [ADMIN] Postgres VS Oracle

2007-06-18 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 02:38:32PM -0400, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > I've picked -advocacy. Actually, I _had_ picked advocacy, but had an itchy trigger finger. Apologies, all. A -- Andrew Sullivan | [EMAIL PROTECTED] A certain description of men are for getting out of debt, yet are against all

Re: [GENERAL] [pgsql-advocacy] [PERFORM] [ADMIN] Postgres VS Oracle

2007-06-18 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 02:16:56PM -0400, Jonah H. Harris wrote: > pgsql-advocacy... your thoughts? I've picked -advocacy. > > I think the Oracle discussion is over, David T. just needs URL references > IMHO. I don't think we can speak about Oracle; if we were licenced, we'd be violating it, a

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [PERFORM] [ADMIN] Postgres VS Oracle

2007-06-18 Thread Andreas Kostyrka
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jonah H. Harris wrote: > Certainly, but can one expect to get a realistic answer to an, "is > Oracle fearing something" question on he PostgreSQL list? Or was it > just a backhanded attempt at pushing the topic again? My vote is for > the latter; i

Re: [GENERAL] [pgsql-advocacy] [PERFORM] [ADMIN] Postgres VS Oracle

2007-06-18 Thread Jonah H. Harris
On 6/18/07, Andrew Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It would appear that this was the flame-fest that was predicted. Particularly as this has been copied to five lists. If you all want to have an argument about what Oracle should or should not do, could you at least limit it to one list? Ye

Re: [GENERAL] [pgsql-advocacy] [PERFORM] [ADMIN] Postgres VS Oracle

2007-06-18 Thread Andrew Sullivan
All, On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 07:50:22PM +0200, Andreas Kostyrka wrote: [something] It would appear that this was the flame-fest that was predicted. Particularly as this has been copied to five lists. If you all want to have an argument about what Oracle should or should not do, could you at le

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [PERFORM] [ADMIN] Postgres VS Oracle

2007-06-18 Thread Andreas Kostyrka
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jonah H. Harris wrote: > > All of us have noticed the anti-MySQL bashing based on problems with > MySQL 3.23... Berkus and others (including yourself, if I am correct), > have corrected people on not making invalid comparisons against > ancient vers

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [PERFORM] [ADMIN] Postgres VS Oracle

2007-06-18 Thread Jonah H. Harris
On 6/18/07, Joshua D. Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yeah funny how you didn't do that ;) (of course neither did I). I agree, an oops on my part :) It is amazing how completely misguided you are in this response. I haven't said anything closed minded. I only responded to your rather antagon

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [PERFORM] [ADMIN] Postgres VS Oracle

2007-06-18 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Jonah H. Harris wrote: On 6/18/07, Joshua D. Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Depends? How many times are you going to antagonize the people that ask? As many times as necessary. Funny how the anti-proprietary-database arguments can continue forever and no one brings up the traditional RTFM-l

Re: [GENERAL] [pgsql-advocacy] [PERFORM] [ADMIN] Postgres VS Oracle

2007-06-18 Thread Andreas Kostyrka
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 PFC wrote: > >> 2. Oracle, Microsoft, and IBM have a "lot" to fear in the sense of a >> database like PostgreSQL. We can compete in 90-95% of cases where >> people would traditionally purchase a proprietary system for many, >> many thousands (if not

Re: [PERFORM] [ADMIN] Postgres VS Oracle

2007-06-18 Thread Andreas Kostyrka
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jonah H. Harris wrote: > On 6/18/07, Andreas Kostyrka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> As a cynic, I might ask, what Oracle is fearing? > > As a realist, I might ask, how many times do we have to answer this > type of anti-commercial-database flamewar-

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [PERFORM] [ADMIN] Postgres VS Oracle

2007-06-18 Thread Jonah H. Harris
On 6/18/07, Joshua D. Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Depends? How many times are you going to antagonize the people that ask? As many times as necessary. Funny how the anti-proprietary-database arguments can continue forever and no one brings up the traditional RTFM-like response of, "hey, t

Re: [GENERAL] [pgsql-advocacy] [PERFORM] [ADMIN] Postgres VS Oracle

2007-06-18 Thread Joshua D. Drake
PFC wrote: 2. Oracle, Microsoft, and IBM have a "lot" to fear in the sense of a database like PostgreSQL. We can compete in 90-95% of cases where people would traditionally purchase a proprietary system for many, many thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) of dollars. Oracle also fear

Re: [GENERAL] [pgsql-advocacy] [PERFORM] [ADMIN] Postgres VS Oracle

2007-06-18 Thread PFC
2. Oracle, Microsoft, and IBM have a "lot" to fear in the sense of a database like PostgreSQL. We can compete in 90-95% of cases where people would traditionally purchase a proprietary system for many, many thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) of dollars. Oracle also fears benchmarks

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [PERFORM] [ADMIN] Postgres VS Oracle

2007-06-18 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Jonah H. Harris wrote: On 6/18/07, Andreas Kostyrka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: As a cynic, I might ask, what Oracle is fearing? As a realist, I might ask, how many times do we have to answer this type of anti-commercial-database flamewar-starting question? Depends? How many times are you goi

Re: [PERFORM] [ADMIN] Postgres VS Oracle

2007-06-18 Thread Jonah H. Harris
On 6/18/07, Andreas Kostyrka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: As a cynic, I might ask, what Oracle is fearing? As a realist, I might ask, how many times do we have to answer this type of anti-commercial-database flamewar-starting question? -- Jonah H. Harris, Software Architect | phone: 732.331.1324

Re: [PERFORM] [ADMIN] Postgres VS Oracle

2007-06-18 Thread Andreas Kostyrka
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 It's even harder, as Oracle disallows publishing benchmark figures in their license. As a cynic, I might ask, what Oracle is fearing? Andreas Jonah H. Harris wrote: > On 6/18/07, David Tokmatchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Scalability ? Performance

Re: [PERFORM] [ADMIN] Postgres VS Oracle

2007-06-18 Thread Jonah H. Harris
On 6/18/07, David Tokmatchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Scalability ? Performance? Benchmark ? Availability ? Architecture ? Limitation : users, volumes ? Resouces needed ? Support ? Aside from the Wikipedia database comparison, I'm not aware of any direct PostgreSQL-to-Oracle comparison. -- Jo