Re: [PERFORM] Database size

2007-06-18 Thread J6M
Hello group, Moreover a reindex (REINDEX name of your database while in pgsql) followed by an ANALYZE will claim more space. Regards J6M - Original Message - From: Francisco Reyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: choksi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: pgsql-performance@postgresql.org Sent: Friday, June

Re: [PERFORM] Parsing VACUUM VERBOSE

2007-06-18 Thread Sabin Coanda
Guillaume Smet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sabin, On 6/14/07, Sabin Coanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to understand completely the report generated by VACUUM VERBOSE. Please tell me where is it documented ? You can take a look to what I did for

[PERFORM] Volunteer to build a configuration tool

2007-06-18 Thread Campbell, Lance
I am a Java Software architect, DBA, and project manager for the University of Illinois, Department of Web Services. We use PostgreSQL to serve about 2 million pages of dynamic content a month; everything from calendars, surveys, forms, discussion boards, RSS feeds, etc. I am really impressed

Re: [PERFORM] [ADMIN] Postgres VS Oracle

2007-06-18 Thread Jonah H. Harris
On 6/18/07, David Tokmatchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scalability ? Performance? Benchmark ? Availability ? Architecture ? Limitation : users, volumes ? Resouces needed ? Support ? Aside from the Wikipedia database comparison, I'm not aware of any direct PostgreSQL-to-Oracle comparison. --

Re: [PERFORM] [ADMIN] Postgres VS Oracle

2007-06-18 Thread Andreas Kostyrka
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 It's even harder, as Oracle disallows publishing benchmark figures in their license. As a cynic, I might ask, what Oracle is fearing? Andreas Jonah H. Harris wrote: On 6/18/07, David Tokmatchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scalability ? Performance?

Re: [PERFORM] [ADMIN] Postgres VS Oracle

2007-06-18 Thread Jonah H. Harris
On 6/18/07, Andreas Kostyrka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a cynic, I might ask, what Oracle is fearing? As a realist, I might ask, how many times do we have to answer this type of anti-commercial-database flamewar-starting question? -- Jonah H. Harris, Software Architect | phone: 732.331.1324

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [PERFORM] [ADMIN] Postgres VS Oracle

2007-06-18 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Jonah H. Harris wrote: On 6/18/07, Andreas Kostyrka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a cynic, I might ask, what Oracle is fearing? As a realist, I might ask, how many times do we have to answer this type of anti-commercial-database flamewar-starting question? Depends? How many times are you

Re: [GENERAL] [pgsql-advocacy] [PERFORM] [ADMIN] Postgres VS Oracle

2007-06-18 Thread PFC
2. Oracle, Microsoft, and IBM have a lot to fear in the sense of a database like PostgreSQL. We can compete in 90-95% of cases where people would traditionally purchase a proprietary system for many, many thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) of dollars. Oracle also fears benchmarks

Re: [PERFORM] [DOCS] Volunteer to build a configuration tool

2007-06-18 Thread Campbell, Lance
Mario, The JavaScript configuration tool I proposed would not be in the install of PostgreSQL. It would be an HTML page. It would be part of the HTML documentation or it could be a separate HTML page that would be linked from the HTML documentation. Thanks, Lance Campbell Project

Re: [GENERAL] [pgsql-advocacy] [PERFORM] [ADMIN] Postgres VS Oracle

2007-06-18 Thread Joshua D. Drake
PFC wrote: 2. Oracle, Microsoft, and IBM have a lot to fear in the sense of a database like PostgreSQL. We can compete in 90-95% of cases where people would traditionally purchase a proprietary system for many, many thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) of dollars. Oracle also fears

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [PERFORM] [ADMIN] Postgres VS Oracle

2007-06-18 Thread Jonah H. Harris
On 6/18/07, Joshua D. Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Depends? How many times are you going to antagonize the people that ask? As many times as necessary. Funny how the anti-proprietary-database arguments can continue forever and no one brings up the traditional RTFM-like response of, hey,

Re: [PERFORM] Replication

2007-06-18 Thread Markus Schiltknecht
Hi, Joshua D. Drake wrote: Slony-II Seems brilliant, a solid theoretical foundation, at the forefront of computer science. But can't find project status -- when will it be available? Is it a pipe dream, or a nearly-ready reality? Dead Not quite... there's still Postgres-R, see

Re: [PERFORM] [ADMIN] Postgres VS Oracle

2007-06-18 Thread Andreas Kostyrka
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jonah H. Harris wrote: On 6/18/07, Andreas Kostyrka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a cynic, I might ask, what Oracle is fearing? As a realist, I might ask, how many times do we have to answer this type of anti-commercial-database

Re: [GENERAL] [pgsql-advocacy] [PERFORM] [ADMIN] Postgres VS Oracle

2007-06-18 Thread Andreas Kostyrka
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 PFC wrote: 2. Oracle, Microsoft, and IBM have a lot to fear in the sense of a database like PostgreSQL. We can compete in 90-95% of cases where people would traditionally purchase a proprietary system for many, many thousands (if not hundreds

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [PERFORM] [ADMIN] Postgres VS Oracle

2007-06-18 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Jonah H. Harris wrote: On 6/18/07, Joshua D. Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Depends? How many times are you going to antagonize the people that ask? As many times as necessary. Funny how the anti-proprietary-database arguments can continue forever and no one brings up the traditional

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [PERFORM] [ADMIN] Postgres VS Oracle

2007-06-18 Thread Jonah H. Harris
On 6/18/07, Joshua D. Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah funny how you didn't do that ;) (of course neither did I). I agree, an oops on my part :) It is amazing how completely misguided you are in this response. I haven't said anything closed minded. I only responded to your rather

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [PERFORM] [ADMIN] Postgres VS Oracle

2007-06-18 Thread Andreas Kostyrka
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jonah H. Harris wrote: All of us have noticed the anti-MySQL bashing based on problems with MySQL 3.23... Berkus and others (including yourself, if I am correct), have corrected people on not making invalid comparisons against ancient

Re: [PERFORM] Parsing VACUUM VERBOSE

2007-06-18 Thread Y Sidhu
On 6/18/07, Sabin Coanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guillaume Smet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sabin, On 6/14/07, Sabin Coanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to understand completely the report generated by VACUUM VERBOSE. Please tell me where is it

Re: [GENERAL] [pgsql-advocacy] [PERFORM] [ADMIN] Postgres VS Oracle

2007-06-18 Thread Andrew Sullivan
All, On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 07:50:22PM +0200, Andreas Kostyrka wrote: [something] It would appear that this was the flame-fest that was predicted. Particularly as this has been copied to five lists. If you all want to have an argument about what Oracle should or should not do, could you at

Re: [PERFORM] [DOCS] Volunteer to build a configuration tool

2007-06-18 Thread Y Sidhu
On 6/18/07, Campbell, Lance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mario, The JavaScript configuration tool I proposed would not be in the install of PostgreSQL. It would be an HTML page. It would be part of the HTML documentation or it could be a separate HTML page that would be linked from the HTML

Re: [GENERAL] [pgsql-advocacy] [PERFORM] [ADMIN] Postgres VS Oracle

2007-06-18 Thread Jonah H. Harris
On 6/18/07, Andrew Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would appear that this was the flame-fest that was predicted. Particularly as this has been copied to five lists. If you all want to have an argument about what Oracle should or should not do, could you at least limit it to one list?

Re: [PERFORM] Replication

2007-06-18 Thread Craig James
Markus Schiltknecht wrote: Not quite... there's still Postgres-R, see www.postgres-r.org And I'm continuously working on it, despite not having updated the website for almost a year now... I planned on releasing the next development snapshot together with 8.3, as that seems to be delayed,

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [PERFORM] [ADMIN] Postgres VS Oracle

2007-06-18 Thread Andreas Kostyrka
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jonah H. Harris wrote: Certainly, but can one expect to get a realistic answer to an, is Oracle fearing something question on he PostgreSQL list? Or was it just a backhanded attempt at pushing the topic again? My vote is for the latter; it

Re: [GENERAL] [pgsql-advocacy] [PERFORM] [ADMIN] Postgres VS Oracle

2007-06-18 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 02:16:56PM -0400, Jonah H. Harris wrote: pgsql-advocacy... your thoughts? I've picked -advocacy. I think the Oracle discussion is over, David T. just needs URL references IMHO. I don't think we can speak about Oracle; if we were licenced, we'd be violating it, and

Re: [GENERAL] [pgsql-advocacy] [PERFORM] [ADMIN] Postgres VS Oracle

2007-06-18 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 02:38:32PM -0400, Andrew Sullivan wrote: I've picked -advocacy. Actually, I _had_ picked advocacy, but had an itchy trigger finger. Apologies, all. A -- Andrew Sullivan | [EMAIL PROTECTED] A certain description of men are for getting out of debt, yet are against all

Re: [PERFORM] Replication

2007-06-18 Thread Markus Schiltknecht
Hi, Craig James wrote: Is Postgres-R the same thing as Slony-II? There's a lot of info and news around about Slony-II, but your web page doesn't seem to mention it. Hm... true. Good point. Maybe I should add a FAQ: Postgres-R has been the name of the research project by Bettina Kemme et

[PERFORM] Performance query about large tables, lots of concurrent access

2007-06-18 Thread Karl Wright
Hi, I have an application which really exercises the performance of postgresql in a major way, and I am running into a performance bottleneck with Postgresql 8.1 that I do not yet understand. Here are the details: - There is a primary table, with some secondary tables - The principle

Re: [PERFORM] Volunteer to build a configuration tool

2007-06-18 Thread James Neethling
This is my idea: A JavaScript HTML page that would have some basic questions at the top: 1) How much memory do you have? 2) How many connections will be made to the database? 3) What operating system do you use? 4) Etc… Next the person would press a button, “generate”, found below the

Re: [PERFORM] Performance query about large tables, lots of concurrent access

2007-06-18 Thread Karl Wright
Karl Wright wrote: Hi, I have an application which really exercises the performance of postgresql in a major way, and I am running into a performance bottleneck with Postgresql 8.1 that I do not yet understand. Here are the details: - There is a primary table, with some secondary tables -

Re: [PERFORM] Parsing VACUUM VERBOSE

2007-06-18 Thread Guillaume Smet
On 6/18/07, Sabin Coanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Guillaume, I tried pgFouine.php app on a sample log file but it reports me some errors. Could you give me some startup support, please ? I attach the log here to find what's wrong. Sorry for the delay. I answered to your private email this

Re: [PERFORM] Parsing VACUUM VERBOSE

2007-06-18 Thread Guillaume Smet
On 6/18/07, Y Sidhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am following this discussion with great interest. I have PG running on FreeBSD and am forced to run pgFouine on a separate Linux box. I am hoping I can create a log file. and then copy that over and have pgFouine analyze it on the Linux box. a. I

Re: [PERFORM] Volunteer to build a configuration tool

2007-06-18 Thread Greg Smith
On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Campbell, Lance wrote: The postgresql.conf settings would be tailored more to the individuals needs than the standard default file. The second Iframe would contain the default settings one should consider using with their operating system. I'd toyed with making a

Re: [PERFORM] Volunteer to build a configuration tool

2007-06-18 Thread Steve Atkins
On Jun 18, 2007, at 4:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: one thing to point out to people about this idea is that nothing says that this page needs to be served via a webserver. If all the calculations are done in javascript this could be a local file that you open with a browser. do any

Re: [PERFORM] Volunteer to build a configuration tool

2007-06-18 Thread Greg Smith
On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: do any of the text-mode browsers implement javascript? http://links.twibright.com/ -- * Greg Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gregsmith.com Baltimore, MD ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: Have you

Re: [PERFORM] Performance query about large tables, lots of concurrent access

2007-06-18 Thread Tom Lane
Karl Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - At any given time, there are up to 100 of these operations going on at once against the same database. It sounds like your hardware is far past maxed out. Which is odd since tables with a million or so rows are pretty small for modern hardware. What's