Re: [PERFORM] Help tuning postgres

2005-10-18 Thread Robert Treat
reindex should be faster, since you're not dumping/reloading the table contents on top of rebuilding the index, you're just rebuilding the index. Robert Treat emdeon Practice Services Alachua, Florida On Wed, 2005-10-12 at 13:32, Steve Poe wrote: Would it not be faster to do a dump/reload

Re: [PERFORM] Help tuning postgres

2005-10-18 Thread Csaba Nagy
In the light of what you've explained below about nonremovable row versions reported by vacuum, I wonder if I should worry about the following type of report: INFO: vacuuming public.some_table INFO: some_table: removed 29598 row versions in 452 pages DETAIL: CPU 0.01s/0.04u sec elapsed 18.77

Re: [PERFORM] Help tuning postgres

2005-10-18 Thread Csaba Nagy
First of all thanks all for the input. I probably can't afford even the reindex till Christmas, when we have about 2 weeks of company holiday... but I guess I'll have to do something until Christmas. The system should at least look like working all the time. I can have downtime, but only for

Re: [PERFORM] Help tuning postgres

2005-10-18 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Tue, Oct 18, 2005 at 05:21:37PM +0200, Csaba Nagy wrote: INFO: vacuuming public.some_table INFO: some_table: removed 29598 row versions in 452 pages DETAIL: CPU 0.01s/0.04u sec elapsed 18.77 sec. INFO: some_table: found 29598 removable, 39684 nonremovable row versions in 851 pages

Re: [PERFORM] Help tuning postgres

2005-10-13 Thread Csaba Nagy
[snip] Yes, but it could be a disk issue because you're doing more work than you need to. If your UPDATEs are chasing down a lot of dead tuples, for instance, you'll peg your I/O even though you ought to have I/O to burn. OK, this sounds interesting, but I don't understand: why would an

Re: [PERFORM] Help tuning postgres

2005-10-13 Thread Markus Wollny
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you tried reindexing your active tables? It will cause some performance hit while you are doing it. It sounds like something is bloating rapidly on your system and the indexes is one possible place that could be happening. You might consider using

Re: [PERFORM] Help tuning postgres

2005-10-13 Thread Csaba Nagy
Thanks Andrew, this explanation about the dead rows was enlightening. Might be the reason for the slowdown I see on occasions, but not for the case which I was first observing. In that case the updated rows are different for each update. It is possible that each row has a few dead versions, but

Re: [PERFORM] Help tuning postgres

2005-10-13 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Thu, Oct 13, 2005 at 03:14:44PM +0200, Csaba Nagy wrote: In any case, I suppose that those disk pages should be in OS cache pretty soon and stay there, so I still don't understand why the disk usage is 100% in this case (with very low CPU activity, the CPUs are mostly waiting/idle)... the

[PERFORM] Help tuning postgres

2005-10-12 Thread Csaba Nagy
Hi all, After a long time of reading the general list it's time to subscribe to this one... We have adapted our application (originally written for oracle) to postgres, and switched part of our business to a postgres data base. The data base has in the main tables around 150 million rows, the

Re: [PERFORM] Help tuning postgres

2005-10-12 Thread Emil Briggs
Hi all, After a long time of reading the general list it's time to subscribe to this one... We have adapted our application (originally written for oracle) to postgres, and switched part of our business to a postgres data base. The data base has in the main tables around 150 million rows,

Re: [PERFORM] Help tuning postgres

2005-10-12 Thread Csaba Nagy
[snip] Have you tried reindexing your active tables? Not yet, the db is in production use and I have to plan for a down-time for that... or is it not impacting the activity on the table ? Emil ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 9: In versions

Re: [PERFORM] Help tuning postgres

2005-10-12 Thread Emil Briggs
[snip] Have you tried reindexing your active tables? Not yet, the db is in production use and I have to plan for a down-time for that... or is it not impacting the activity on the table ? It will cause some performance hit while you are doing it. It sounds like something is bloating

Re: [PERFORM] Help tuning postgres

2005-10-12 Thread Merlin Moncure
The disk used for the data is an external raid array, I don't know much about that right now except I think is some relatively fast IDE stuff. In any case the operations should be cache friendly, we don't scan over and over the big tables... Maybe you are I/O bound. Do you know if your RAID

Re: [PERFORM] Help tuning postgres

2005-10-12 Thread Tom Lane
Emil Briggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not yet, the db is in production use and I have to plan for a down-time for that... or is it not impacting the activity on the table ? It will cause some performance hit while you are doing it. It'll also lock out writes on the table until the index is

Re: [PERFORM] Help tuning postgres

2005-10-12 Thread Steve Poe
Would it not be faster to do a dump/reload of the table than reindex or is it about the same? Steve Poe On Wed, 2005-10-12 at 13:21 -0400, Tom Lane wrote: Emil Briggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not yet, the db is in production use and I have to plan for a down-time for that... or is it not

Re: [PERFORM] Help tuning postgres

2005-10-12 Thread Merlin Moncure
Would it not be faster to do a dump/reload of the table than reindex or is it about the same? reindex is probably faster, but that's not the point. you can reindex a running system whereas dump/restore requires downtime unless you work everything into a transaction, which is headache, and

Re: [PERFORM] Help tuning postgres

2005-10-12 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Wed, Oct 12, 2005 at 06:55:30PM +0200, Csaba Nagy wrote: Ok, that was the first thing I've done, checking out the explain of the query. I don't really need the analyze part, as the plan is going for the index, which is the right decision. The updates are simple one-row How do you know? You