Re: [PERFORM] best arrangement of 3 disks for (insert) performance - Dell

2003-09-12 Thread Thom Dyson

The Dell PERC controllers have a very strong reputation for terrible
performance.  If you search the archives of the Dell Linux Power Edge list
(dell.com/linux), you will find many, many people who get better
performance from software RAID, rather than the hw RAID on the PERC.
Having said that, the 3/SC might be one of the better PERC controllers.  I
would spend and hour or two and benchmark hw vs. sw before I committed to
either one.

Thom Dyson
Director of Information Services
Sybex, Inc.

On 9/12/2003 9:55:40 AM, Richard Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The machine is coming from dell, and i have the option of a
 PERC 3/SC RAID Controller (32MB)
 or software raid.

 does anyone have any experience of this controller?
 its an additional £345 for this controller, i'd be interested to know
what
 people think - my other option is to buy the raid controller separately,
 which appeals to me but i wouldnt know what to look for in a raid
 controller.

 that raid controller review site sounds like a good idea :)

 Richard.



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Re: [PERFORM] best arrangement of 3 disks for (insert) performance - Dell

2003-09-12 Thread Christopher Browne
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thom Dyson) writes:
 The Dell PERC controllers have a very strong reputation for terrible
 performance.  If you search the archives of the Dell Linux Power
 Edge list (dell.com/linux), you will find many, many people who get
 better performance from software RAID, rather than the hw RAID on
 the PERC.  Having said that, the 3/SC might be one of the better
 PERC controllers.  I would spend and hour or two and benchmark hw
 vs. sw before I committed to either one.

I can't agree with that.

1.  If you search the archives for messages dated a couple of years
ago, you can find lots of messages indicating terrible performance.

Drivers are not cast in concrete; there has been a LOT of change to
them since then.

2.  The second MAJOR merit to hardware RAID is the ability to hot-swap
drives.  Software RAID doesn't help with that at all.

3.  The _immense_ performance improvement that can be gotten out of
these controllers comes from having fsync() turn into a near no-op
since changes can be committed to the 128K battery-backed cache REALLY
QUICKLY.

That is something you should avoid doing with software RAID in any
case where you actually care about your data.

That third part is where Big Wins come.  It is the very same sort of
big win from cacheing that we saw, years ago, when we improved
system performance _immensely_ by adding a mere 16 bytes of cache by
buying serial controller cards with cacheing UUARTs.  It is akin to
the way SCSI controllers got pretty big performance improvements by
adding 256 bytes of tagged command cache.
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