[PERFORM] faster INSERT with possible pre-existing row?
I am working on a process that will be inserting tens of million rows and need this to be as quick as possible. The catch is that for each row I could potentially insert, I need to look and see if the relationship is already there to prevent multiple entries. Currently I am doing a SELECT before doing the INSERT, but I recognize the speed penalty in doing to operations. I wonder if there is some way I can say insert this record, only if it doesn't exist already. To see if it exists, I would need to compare 3 fields instead of just enforcing a primary key. Even if this could be a small increase per record, even a few percent faster compounded over the whole load could be a significant reduction. Thanks for any ideas you might have. -Dan ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: explain analyze is your friend
Re: [PERFORM] faster INSERT with possible pre-existing row?
Dan Harris wrote: I am working on a process that will be inserting tens of million rows and need this to be as quick as possible. The catch is that for each row I could potentially insert, I need to look and see if the relationship is already there to prevent multiple entries. Currently I am doing a SELECT before doing the INSERT, but I recognize the speed penalty in doing to operations. I wonder if there is some way I can say insert this record, only if it doesn't exist already. To see if it exists, I would need to compare 3 fields instead of just enforcing a primary key. Even if this could be a small increase per record, even a few percent faster compounded over the whole load could be a significant reduction. Thanks for any ideas you might have. -Dan You could insert all of your data into a temporary table, and then do: INSERT INTO final_table SELECT * FROM temp_table WHERE NOT EXISTS (SELECT info FROM final_table WHERE id=id, path=path, y=y); Or you could load it into the temporary table, and then: DELETE FROM temp_table WHERE EXISTS (SELECT FROM final_table WHERE id...); And then do a plain INSERT INTO. I can't say what the specific performance increases would be, but temp_table could certainly be an actual TEMP table (meaning it only exists during the connection), and you could easily do a COPY into that table to load it up quickly, without having to check any constraints. Just a thought, John =:- signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [PERFORM] faster INSERT with possible pre-existing row?
John, On 7/26/05 9:56 AM, John A Meinel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You could insert all of your data into a temporary table, and then do: INSERT INTO final_table SELECT * FROM temp_table WHERE NOT EXISTS (SELECT info FROM final_table WHERE id=id, path=path, y=y); Or you could load it into the temporary table, and then: DELETE FROM temp_table WHERE EXISTS (SELECT FROM final_table WHERE id...); And then do a plain INSERT INTO. I can't say what the specific performance increases would be, but temp_table could certainly be an actual TEMP table (meaning it only exists during the connection), and you could easily do a COPY into that table to load it up quickly, without having to check any constraints. Yah - that's a typical approach, and it would be excellent if the COPY bypassed WAL for the temp table load. This is something we discussed in bizgres development a while back. I think we should do this for sure - would nearly double the temp table load rate, and the subsequent temp table delete *should* be fast enough (?) Any performance tests you've done on that delete/subselect operation? - Luke ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 5: don't forget to increase your free space map settings
Re: [PERFORM] faster INSERT with possible pre-existing row?
On Tue, 2005-07-26 at 10:50 -0600, Dan Harris wrote: I am working on a process that will be inserting tens of million rows and need this to be as quick as possible. The catch is that for each row I could potentially insert, I need to look and see if the relationship is already there to prevent multiple entries. Currently I am doing a SELECT before doing the INSERT, but I recognize the speed penalty in doing to operations. I wonder if there is some way I can say insert this record, only if it doesn't exist already. To see if it exists, I would need to compare 3 fields instead of just enforcing a primary key. Even if this could be a small increase per record, even a few percent faster compounded over the whole load could be a significant reduction. Thanks for any ideas you might have. Perhaps a trigger: CREATE FUNCTION verify_unique() RETURNS TRIGGER AS $func$ BEGIN PERFORM a,b,c FROM table1 WHERE a = NEW.a and b = NEW.b and c = NEW.c; IF FOUND THEN RETURN NULL; END IF; RETURN NEW; END; $func$ LANGUAGE plpgsql STABLE; CREATE TRIGGER verify_unique BEFORE INSERT ON table1 FOR EACH ROW EXECUTE PROCEDURE verify_unique(); Triggers are fired on COPY commands and if table1 is able to be cached and you have an index on table1(a,b,c) the results should be fairly decent. I would be interested in seeing the difference in timing between this approach and the temp table approach. ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 1: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate subscribe-nomail command to [EMAIL PROTECTED] so that your message can get through to the mailing list cleanly
Re: [PERFORM] faster INSERT with possible pre-existing row?
On 7/26/05, Dan Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am working on a process that will be inserting tens of million rows and need this to be as quick as possible. The catch is that for each row I could potentially insert, I need to look and see if the relationship is already there to prevent multiple entries. Currently I am doing a SELECT before doing the INSERT, but I recognize the speed penalty in doing to operations. I wonder if there is some way I can say insert this record, only if it doesn't exist already. To see if it exists, I would need to compare 3 fields instead of just enforcing a primary key. I struggled with this for a while. At first I tried stored procedures and triggers, but it took very long (over 24 hours for my dataset). After several iterations of rewritting it, first into C# then into Python I got the whole process down to under 30 min. My scenario is this: I want to normalize log data. For example, for the IP address in a log entry, I need to look up the unique id of the IP address, or if the IP address is new, insert it and then return the newly created entry. Multiple processes use the data, but only one process, run daily, actually changes it. Because this one process knows that the data is static, it selects the tables into in-memory hash tables (C#) or Dictionaries (Python) and then does the lookups there. It is *super* fast, but it uses a *lot* of ram. ;-) To limit the ram, I wrote a version of the python code that uses gdbm files instead of Dictionaries. This requires a newer version of Python (to allow a gdbm db to work just like a dictionary) but makes life easier in case someone is using my software on a lower end machine. This doubled the time of the lookups from about 15 minutes to 30, bringing the whole process to about 45 minutes. -- Matthew Nuzum www.bearfruit.org ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 5: don't forget to increase your free space map settings
Re: [PERFORM] faster INSERT with possible pre-existing row?
Matthew Nuzum wrote: On 7/26/05, Dan Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am working on a process that will be inserting tens of million rows and need this to be as quick as possible. The catch is that for each row I could potentially insert, I need to look and see if the relationship is already there to prevent multiple entries. Currently I am doing a SELECT before doing the INSERT, but I recognize the speed penalty in doing to operations. I wonder if there is some way I can say insert this record, only if it doesn't exist already. To see if it exists, I would need to compare 3 fields instead of just enforcing a primary key. I struggled with this for a while. At first I tried stored procedures and triggers, but it took very long (over 24 hours for my dataset). After several iterations of rewritting it, first into C# then into Python I got the whole process down to under 30 min. My scenario is this: I want to normalize log data. For example, for the IP address in a log entry, I need to look up the unique id of the IP address, or if the IP address is new, insert it and then return the newly created entry. Multiple processes use the data, but only one process, run daily, actually changes it. Because this one process knows that the data is static, it selects the tables into in-memory hash tables (C#) or Dictionaries (Python) and then does the lookups there. It is *super* fast, but it uses a *lot* of ram. ;-) To limit the ram, I wrote a version of the python code that uses gdbm files instead of Dictionaries. This requires a newer version of Python (to allow a gdbm db to work just like a dictionary) but makes life easier in case someone is using my software on a lower end machine. This doubled the time of the lookups from about 15 minutes to 30, bringing the whole process to about 45 minutes. Did you ever try the temp table approach? You could: COPY all records into temp_table, with an empty row for ip_id -- Get any entries which already exist UPDATE temp_table SET ip_id = (SELECT ip_id from ipaddress WHERE add=add) WHERE EXISTS (SELECT ip_id FROM ipaddress WHERE add=add); -- Create new entries INSERT INTO ipaddress(add) SELECT add FROM temp_table WHERE ip_id IS NULL; -- Update the rest UPDATE temp_table SET ip_id = (SELECT ip_id from ipaddress WHERE add=add) WHERE ip_id IS NULL AND EXISTS (SELECT ip_id FROM ipaddress WHERE add=add); This would let the database do all of the updating work in bulk on it's side, rather than you pulling all the data out and doing it locally. An alternative would be something like: CREATE TEMP TABLE new_ids (address text, ip_id int); COPY all potentially new addresses into that table. -- Delete all entries which already exist DELETE FROM new_ids WHERE EXISTS (SELECT ip_id FROM ipaddresses WHERE add=new_ids.address); -- Now create the new entries INSERT INTO ipaddresses(add) SELECT address FROM new_ids; -- At this point you are guaranteed to have all addresses existing in -- the database If you then insert your full data into the final table, only leave the ip_id column as null. Then if you have a partial index where ip_id is NULL, you could use the command: UPDATE final_table SET ip_id = (SELECT ip_id FROM ipaddresses WHERE add=final_table.add) WHERE ip_id IS NULL; You could also do this in a temporary table, before bulk inserting into the final table. I don't know what you have tried, but I know that for Dan, he easily has 36M rows. So I don't think he wants to pull that locally and create a in-memory hash just to insert 100 rows or so. Also, for your situation, if you do keep a local cache, you could certainly save the cache between runs, and use a temp table to determine what new ids you need to add to it. Then you wouldn't have to pull the complete set each time. You just pull new values for entries you haven't added yet. John =:- signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [PERFORM] faster INSERT with possible pre-existing row?
Easier and faster than doing the custom trigger is to simply define a unique index and let the DB enforce the constraint with an index lookup, something like: create unique index happy_index ON happy_table(col1, col2, col3); That should run faster than the custom trigger, but not as fast as the temp table solution suggested elsewhere because it will need to do an index lookup for each row. With this solution, it is important that your shared_buffers are set high enough that the happy_index can be kept in memory, otherwise performance will drop precipitously. Also, if you are increasing the size of the table by a large percentage, you will want to ANALYZE periodically, as an optimal plan for a small table may be a disaster for a large table, and PostgreSQL won't switch plans unless you run ANALYZE. -- Mark On Tue, 2005-07-26 at 14:51 -0500, John A Meinel wrote: Matthew Nuzum wrote: On 7/26/05, Dan Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am working on a process that will be inserting tens of million rows and need this to be as quick as possible. The catch is that for each row I could potentially insert, I need to look and see if the relationship is already there to prevent multiple entries. Currently I am doing a SELECT before doing the INSERT, but I recognize the speed penalty in doing to operations. I wonder if there is some way I can say insert this record, only if it doesn't exist already. To see if it exists, I would need to compare 3 fields instead of just enforcing a primary key. I struggled with this for a while. At first I tried stored procedures and triggers, but it took very long (over 24 hours for my dataset). After several iterations of rewritting it, first into C# then into Python I got the whole process down to under 30 min. My scenario is this: I want to normalize log data. For example, for the IP address in a log entry, I need to look up the unique id of the IP address, or if the IP address is new, insert it and then return the newly created entry. Multiple processes use the data, but only one process, run daily, actually changes it. Because this one process knows that the data is static, it selects the tables into in-memory hash tables (C#) or Dictionaries (Python) and then does the lookups there. It is *super* fast, but it uses a *lot* of ram. ;-) To limit the ram, I wrote a version of the python code that uses gdbm files instead of Dictionaries. This requires a newer version of Python (to allow a gdbm db to work just like a dictionary) but makes life easier in case someone is using my software on a lower end machine. This doubled the time of the lookups from about 15 minutes to 30, bringing the whole process to about 45 minutes. Did you ever try the temp table approach? You could: COPY all records into temp_table, with an empty row for ip_id -- Get any entries which already exist UPDATE temp_table SET ip_id = (SELECT ip_id from ipaddress WHERE add=add) WHERE EXISTS (SELECT ip_id FROM ipaddress WHERE add=add); -- Create new entries INSERT INTO ipaddress(add) SELECT add FROM temp_table WHERE ip_id IS NULL; -- Update the rest UPDATE temp_table SET ip_id = (SELECT ip_id from ipaddress WHERE add=add) WHERE ip_id IS NULL AND EXISTS (SELECT ip_id FROM ipaddress WHERE add=add); This would let the database do all of the updating work in bulk on it's side, rather than you pulling all the data out and doing it locally. An alternative would be something like: CREATE TEMP TABLE new_ids (address text, ip_id int); COPY all potentially new addresses into that table. -- Delete all entries which already exist DELETE FROM new_ids WHERE EXISTS (SELECT ip_id FROM ipaddresses WHERE add=new_ids.address); -- Now create the new entries INSERT INTO ipaddresses(add) SELECT address FROM new_ids; -- At this point you are guaranteed to have all addresses existing in -- the database If you then insert your full data into the final table, only leave the ip_id column as null. Then if you have a partial index where ip_id is NULL, you could use the command: UPDATE final_table SET ip_id = (SELECT ip_id FROM ipaddresses WHERE add=final_table.add) WHERE ip_id IS NULL; You could also do this in a temporary table, before bulk inserting into the final table. I don't know what you have tried, but I know that for Dan, he easily has 36M rows. So I don't think he wants to pull that locally and create a in-memory hash just to insert 100 rows or so. Also, for your situation, if you do keep a local cache, you could certainly save the cache between runs, and use a temp table to determine what new ids you need to add to it. Then you wouldn't have to pull the complete set each time. You just pull new values for entries you haven't added yet. John =:- ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 5: don't
Re: [PERFORM] faster INSERT with possible pre-existing row?
Insert into a temp table then use INSERT INTO...SELECT FROM to insert all rows into the proper table that don't have a relationship. Chris Dan Harris wrote: I am working on a process that will be inserting tens of million rows and need this to be as quick as possible. The catch is that for each row I could potentially insert, I need to look and see if the relationship is already there to prevent multiple entries. Currently I am doing a SELECT before doing the INSERT, but I recognize the speed penalty in doing to operations. I wonder if there is some way I can say insert this record, only if it doesn't exist already. To see if it exists, I would need to compare 3 fields instead of just enforcing a primary key. Even if this could be a small increase per record, even a few percent faster compounded over the whole load could be a significant reduction. Thanks for any ideas you might have. -Dan ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: explain analyze is your friend ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 9: In versions below 8.0, the planner will ignore your desire to choose an index scan if your joining column's datatypes do not match
