Re: [Pharo-dev] missing updates: 30503 30504

2013-10-22 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Oct 21, 2013, at 10:56 PM, Camillo Bruni camillobr...@gmail.com wrote: On 2013-10-21, at 22:30, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: It is fundamentally wrong to rely on written description of processes (not to be confused with documentation). We script, we write code, we do

Re: [Pharo-dev] missing updates: 30503 30504

2013-10-22 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Oct 22, 2013, at 12:00 AM, Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr wrote: On Oct 21, 2013, at 9:24 PM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: Indeed but instead of getting on your favorite topic, tell me where is the update.list? on the server files.pharo.org I do

Re: [Pharo-dev] missing updates: 30503 30504

2013-10-22 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
I changed the readme to be Pharo 3.0 Update Files == This repository contains a collection of the updates files used for the system-updates of Pharo 3.0. The files are made available on the [file server](http://files.pharo.org/updates/pharo3.0/). The

[Pharo-dev] Tracker issue need of review: 11954 MorphTreeMorph selection cleanup

2013-10-22 Thread Marcus Denker
Hi, is this good to add? 11954 MorphTreeMorph selection cleanup https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/11954 signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail

Re: [Pharo-dev] Anyone else teaching programming in Pharo?

2013-10-22 Thread J.F. Rick
It seems like there are enough people interested that it might be worthwhile sharing resources (e.g., Ozono). At minimum, these can act as inspiration for others doing the same thing. Is there a good Pharo way of doing that? For instance, is there a wiki we could use? I'm sure we could just add

Re: [Pharo-dev] Use #shouldnt:raise: only with specific errors, or evaluate the given expression directly

2013-10-22 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
I will add a discussion to the SUnit Chapter about this point. Stef On Oct 22, 2013, at 12:08 AM, Camillo Bruni camillobr...@gmail.com wrote: see my long explanation here https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?11876#87218 it looks unsuspicous until the moment you try understand such a failing

[Pharo-dev] [Issues fixed at the sprint] please double check

2013-10-22 Thread Marcus Denker
Hi, A number issues worked on at the sprint where checked by the automatic issue checker. Some of them got *rejected* because of some conflict/failing test/hard critic error. These issues have been re-opened and need to be fixed again (and the status then needs to be put back in review

Re: [Pharo-dev] missing updates: 30503 30504

2013-10-22 Thread Camillo Bruni
I'll remove the script again, this is silly duplication that is going to be outdated very quickly. It points already to the jenkins job, this is where everything happens. On 2013-10-22, at 08:38, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: I changed the readme to be Pharo 3.0 Update

Re: [Pharo-dev] Use #shouldnt:raise: only with specific errors, or evaluate the given expression directly

2013-10-22 Thread Johan Brichau
In Seaside, there are a couple of tests that now fail because of this change. Although I agree it's good practice to use specific error classes in such assertions, the tests that are failing in Seaside use the Error class because they are written to be cross-platform. Different subclasses of

Re: [Pharo-dev] Use #shouldnt:raise: only with specific errors, or evaluate the given expression directly

2013-10-22 Thread Camillo Bruni
On 2013-10-22, at 09:46, Johan Brichau jo...@inceptive.be wrote: In Seaside, there are a couple of tests that now fail because of this change. Although I agree it's good practice to use specific error classes in such assertions, the tests that are failing in Seaside use the Error class

Re: [Pharo-dev] missing updates: 30503 30504

2013-10-22 Thread Camillo Bruni
For retracting files you need access to files.pharo.org. This is what should be written in the readme. BTW have you tried that you actually have access to the machine? Because I remember that it didn't work for you nor Esteban... signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using

[Pharo-dev] Standard Fonts Specs

2013-10-22 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
I don't understand why, but StandardFonts class#setFontsFromSpec: does not seem to work with the new fonts using a spec generated by StandardFonts class#getCurrentFontsSpec, while the following code does work for me: From Pavel SourceCodeProRegular new install. OpenSansRegular new install.

[Pharo-dev] Bisect with Pharo Launcher / Git

2013-10-22 Thread Goubier Thierry
Hi all, I want to thank the combination of Pharo Launcher and the pharo-core github repo for earching a specific bug in Pharo 3, linked to https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/11949/ : I noticed that the bug was introduced between 30450 and 30490. With the Pharo launcher, I then went through a

Re: [Pharo-dev] Bisect with Pharo Launcher / Git

2013-10-22 Thread btc
I am probably not working on it anytime soon, but btw I logged the idea last week of enhancing Pharo Launcher with some kind of support for bisect operations. https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?11927. cheers -ben Goubier Thierry wrote: Hi all, I want to thank the combination of Pharo

Re: [Pharo-dev] Standard Fonts Specs

2013-10-22 Thread Igor Stasenko
i can be mistaken, but FreeTypeFontProvider current updateFromSystem. most probably wipes out all registered fonts and installs only ones it finds on file system, ignoring embedded ones. On 22 October 2013 10:58, Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@stfx.eu wrote: I don't understand why, but

Re: [Pharo-dev] Use #shouldnt:raise: only with specific errors, or evaluate the given expression directly

2013-10-22 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 22 October 2013 10:02, Camillo Bruni camillobr...@gmail.com wrote: On 2013-10-22, at 09:46, Johan Brichau jo...@inceptive.be wrote: In Seaside, there are a couple of tests that now fail because of this change. Although I agree it's good practice to use specific error classes in such

[Pharo-dev] [pharo-project/pharo-core] a6d9c1: 30513

2013-10-22 Thread GitHub
Branch: refs/heads/3.0 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core Commit: a6d9c1e621abd742e679f61050e6b0dba0303884 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core/commit/a6d9c1e621abd742e679f61050e6b0dba0303884 Author: Jenkins Build Server bo...@pharo-project.org Date:

[Pharo-dev] [pharo-project/pharo-core]

2013-10-22 Thread GitHub
Branch: refs/tags/30513 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core

[Pharo-dev] [pharo-project/pharo-core]

2013-10-22 Thread GitHub
Branch: refs/tags/30514 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core

[Pharo-dev] [pharo-project/pharo-core] 25056e: 30514

2013-10-22 Thread GitHub
Branch: refs/heads/3.0 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core Commit: 25056e11c4758d0413fb73aa0febf2465002bea4 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core/commit/25056e11c4758d0413fb73aa0febf2465002bea4 Author: Jenkins Build Server bo...@pharo-project.org Date:

Re: [Pharo-dev] The new fogbugz mails look nice :)

2013-10-22 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
One would almost start fixing things, just to see them ;-) On 22 Oct 2013, at 15:08, Benjamin benjamin.vanryseghem.ph...@gmail.com wrote: Just to say :P Ben

Re: [Pharo-dev] The new fogbugz mails look nice :)

2013-10-22 Thread Benjamin
that would be cool ;) Ben On Oct 22, 2013, at 3:10 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@stfx.eu wrote: One would almost start fixing things, just to see them ;-) On 22 Oct 2013, at 15:08, Benjamin benjamin.vanryseghem.ph...@gmail.com wrote: Just to say :P Ben

Re: [Pharo-dev] Bisect with Pharo Launcher / Git

2013-10-22 Thread Bruni camillo
This is exactly the reason I started exporting everything to git and archiving all the images in an accessible way :-P. it would be definitely nice to have this more automated. On Oct 22, 2013 11:50 AM, b...@openinworld.com wrote: I am probably not working on it anytime soon, but btw I logged

Re: [Pharo-dev] Bisect with Pharo Launcher / Git

2013-10-22 Thread Goubier Thierry
Le 22/10/2013 15:55, Bruni camillo a écrit : This is exactly the reason I started exporting everything to git and archiving all the images in an accessible way :-P. It certainly was very helpfull and I'll use it again sooner or later. Would you happen to have a get.pharo.org way of getting

Re: [Pharo-dev] Bisect with Pharo Launcher / Git

2013-10-22 Thread Bruni camillo
On Oct 22, 2013 4:01 PM, Goubier Thierry thierry.goub...@cea.fr wrote: Le 22/10/2013 15:55, Bruni camillo a écrit : This is exactly the reason I started exporting everything to git and archiving all the images in an accessible way :-P. It certainly was very helpfull and I'll use it again

[Pharo-dev] VM for Athens Graphics

2013-10-22 Thread J.F. Rick
I'm excited about the upcoming move to Athens graphics and would like to support that effort. It seems like the base is still under heavy development and that I should use an up-to-date Pharo 3.0 to properly use it. Let me know if that is incorrect. I was wondering for what VMs Athens is

[Pharo-dev] [pharo-project/pharo-core]

2013-10-22 Thread GitHub
Branch: refs/tags/30515 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core

[Pharo-dev] Unwind error during termination

2013-10-22 Thread btc
For a while now, every now and then when closing a debugger I have been getting an "Unwind error during termination" I happened to have saved the image moments before it just occurred again. From opening that save error can be reliably triggered in three clicks. I can provide this image if

[Pharo-dev] Pharo-project.org success stories link to be revised a bit...

2013-10-22 Thread p...@highoctane.be
As Doru mentioned, marketing of Pharo should be improved to get more traction. Now, on http://www.pharo-project.org/about/success-stories a serious bunch of links are not working, point to projects that are abandoning Smalltalk for Javascript (Language of Languages) - link goes to a page saying

Re: [Pharo-dev] Unwind error during termination

2013-10-22 Thread Clément Bera
Hello, I'm interested. Please send me the image in private mail not to overload the mailing list with large attachment. Alternatively, give me a place where I can download it. The steps to reproduce are: open the image, execute 1halt, close debugger ? Best, 2013/10/22 b...@openinworld.com

Re: [Pharo-dev] VM for Athens Graphics

2013-10-22 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 22 October 2013 16:09, J.F. Rick s...@je77.com wrote: I'm excited about the upcoming move to Athens graphics and would like to support that effort. It seems like the base is still under heavy development and that I should use an up-to-date Pharo 3.0 to properly use it. Let me know if that

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo-project.org success stories link to be revised a bit...

2013-10-22 Thread Tudor Girba
Thanks Phil for bringing this issue up. I do not have much time to devote to this right now, but perhaps others can help. Doru On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 6:40 PM, p...@highoctane.be p...@highoctane.bewrote: As Doru mentioned, marketing of Pharo should be improved to get more traction. Now,

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo-project.org success stories link to be revised a bit...

2013-10-22 Thread p...@highoctane.be
Give me writing rights and I can fix what can be done. I want this to be successful anyway. (Out of band, I got my Pharo T-Shirts today - Pharo Hi-Res full color logo + pharo-project.org, they look sweet). Guess I'll wear that at the next Coentrepreneur Week end where I am one of the coaches

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo-project.org success stories link to be revised a bit...

2013-10-22 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
On 22 Oct 2013, at 22:37, p...@highoctane.be p...@highoctane.be wrote: (Out of band, I got my Pharo T-Shirts today - Pharo Hi-Res full color logo + pharo-project.org, they look sweet). Post a photograph, please ;-)

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo-project.org success stories link to be revised a bit...

2013-10-22 Thread p...@highoctane.be
You asketh, I giveth. [image: Inline image 1] --- Philippe Back Dramatic Performance Improvements Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail:p...@highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu Blog: http://philippeback.be | Twitter: @philippeback Youtube:

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo-project.org success stories link to be revised a bit...

2013-10-22 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
Nice, nice, nice ! Of course the next question is: how can I get one ? On 22 Oct 2013, at 23:12, p...@highoctane.be p...@highoctane.be wrote: You asketh, I giveth. 2013-10-22 11.20.36-1.jpg --- Philippe Back Dramatic Performance Improvements Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo-project.org success stories link to be revised a bit...

2013-10-22 Thread p...@highoctane.be
Get the logo from the forge and make you one at Wordans.be. Then wait 12 days for the shipping to occur. Get the 3 for 2 promocode, and you'll get 3 T-Shirts for the price of 2. The other way is coming over to pick it up along with a beer :-) Phil On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 11:51 PM, Sven Van

[Pharo-dev] Error-eating troll

2013-10-22 Thread Igor Stasenko
I got quite confused, why i got error in strange place, the culprit is this one: computeFullBounds [ self doLayoutIn: self layoutBounds ] on: Error do: [ :ex | This should do it unless you don't screw up the bounds fullBounds := bounds. ex

Re: [Pharo-dev] Error-eating troll

2013-10-22 Thread Igor Stasenko
oh wait, apparently i am wrong.. now i even more confused, why my morph fails to compute bounds at the beginning :) On 23 October 2013 01:07, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: I got quite confused, why i got error in strange place, the culprit is this one: computeFullBounds [

Re: [Pharo-dev] Error-eating troll

2013-10-22 Thread Igor Stasenko
ok. problem solved.. it is because my override triggers flushing full bounds to nil.. :) On 23 October 2013 01:10, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: oh wait, apparently i am wrong.. now i even more confused, why my morph fails to compute bounds at the beginning :) On 23 October

[Pharo-dev] i wish i could live in a world...

2013-10-22 Thread Igor Stasenko
where morphs has position relative to their owner morph. and laying out morphs or composing them into complex layout easy and event handling is easy .. and things are properly documented :) -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

Re: [Pharo-dev] i wish i could live in a world...

2013-10-22 Thread David T. Lewis
On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 03:00:54AM +0200, Igor Stasenko wrote: where morphs has position relative to their owner morph. and laying out morphs or composing them into complex layout easy and event handling is easy .. and things are properly documented :) I'm not sure where this project