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Sounds *really* good!
Do you have a time goal for this integration (even rough estimate)?
Sorry if this sound stupid but are we far from an integration with, say,
the Changes tool?
If you need some help somewhere (money or manpower), I'm sure there are
quite a few people interesting in donating
Le 28/04/2014 10:42, François Stephany a écrit :
Sounds *really* good!
Do you have a time goal for this integration (even rough estimate)?
Sorry if this sound stupid but are we far from an integration with, say,
the Changes tool?
I think Max should answer that question, he is on it. Then
On 28.04.2014, at 10:42, François Stephany tulipe.mouta...@gmail.com wrote:
Sounds *really* good!
Do you have a time goal for this integration (even rough estimate)?
Sorry if this sound stupid but are we far from an integration with, say, the
Changes tool?
If you need some help
Thank you both for the details!
Haha, I understand if you prefere to be on your own for the bindings (at
least while it's still in construction).
Thierry, If you need some feedback for the merge conflict resolution, I'll
be glad to help. Just ask :)
Max, I don't know how is your master thesis
Le 28/04/2014 11:37, François Stephany a écrit :
Thank you both for the details!
Haha, I understand if you prefere to be on your own for the bindings (at
least while it's still in construction).
Thierry, If you need some feedback for the merge conflict resolution,
I'll be glad to help. Just
Hi henrik
I downloaded vm 338 and the latest image 30836 and I could not reproduce
your problem.
Smalltalk vm buildDate 'Mac Cocoa Cog 5.8b12 21-Sep-10
1B0534FA-246C-47C5-AB29-7A76C81CCDCB'
so the build date looks bogus to me
Smalltalk vm platformSourceVersion
did not work
On 28 Apr 2014, at 1:08 , stepharo steph...@free.fr wrote:
Hi henrik
I downloaded vm 338 and the latest image 30836 and I could not reproduce your
problem.
Smalltalk vm buildDate 'Mac Cocoa Cog 5.8b12 21-Sep-10
1B0534FA-246C-47C5-AB29-7A76C81CCDCB'
so the build date looks
Hi,
We will do a PharoV3.sources for Pharo3. This will take a couple of interations
to do
(e.g. uploading it to files.pharo.org, updating zeroconf… fining references in
the image for the
downloader).
As soon as we have it will will send the link.
Marcus
Are we also going to do a condenseChanges ?
I think that would be good too.
And then finally also cleaning the MC caches I guess.
On 28 Apr 2014, at 14:01, Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr wrote:
Hi,
We will do a PharoV3.sources for Pharo3. This will take a couple of
interations to do
yes we are :)
On 28 Apr 2014, at 14:10, Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@stfx.eu wrote:
Are we also going to do a condenseChanges ?
I think that would be good too.
And then finally also cleaning the MC caches I guess.
On 28 Apr 2014, at 14:01, Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr wrote:
Hi,
On 28 Apr 2014, at 14:11, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com wrote:
yes we are :)
On 28 Apr 2014, at 14:10, Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@stfx.eu wrote:
Are we also going to do a condenseChanges ?
I think that would be good too.
And then finally also cleaning the MC caches I guess.
And
Am 28.04.2014 um 14:21 schrieb Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr:
On 28 Apr 2014, at 14:11, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com wrote:
yes we are :)
On 28 Apr 2014, at 14:10, Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@stfx.eu wrote:
Are we also going to do a condenseChanges ?
I think that
On 28 Apr 2014, at 14:43, Norbert Hartl norb...@hartl.name wrote:
Am 28.04.2014 um 14:21 schrieb Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr:
On 28 Apr 2014, at 14:11, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com wrote:
yes we are :)
On 28 Apr 2014, at 14:10, Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@stfx.eu
Branch: refs/tags/30837
Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core
Branch: refs/heads/3.0
Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core
Commit: 659670e7cb6f37d4d76c485f11bb7c6870f71862
https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core/commit/659670e7cb6f37d4d76c485f11bb7c6870f71862
Author: Jenkins Build Server bo...@pharo-project.org
Date:
Hi,
So we did
- an update 30837 to remove a bit of Scriploader methods so the do not end up
in the .sources file (60.000 LOC…)
- then we condensed the sources and changes and re-uploaded that file.
- Zeroconf has been updated. Now it download V1, V2 and V3 sources… (which is
far from nice… but
Hi guys,
I thought you might like to hear that after presenting a case on Smalltalk
using these slides:
http://dinos.flowingconcept.com
to an for an heterogeneous audience ~(10% devel 10% creatives a couple of angel
investors and most people with administration profile) in a coworking space.
On 28 Apr 2014, at 15:34, Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr wrote:
Hi,
So we did
- an update 30837 to remove a bit of Scriploader methods so the do not end
up in the .sources file (60.000 LOC…)
- then we condensed the sources and changes and re-uploaded that file.
- Zeroconf has
Branch: refs/tags/30838
Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core
Assuming Neo-JSON-Core is loaded
Gofer it
smalltalkhubUser: 'SeanDeNigris' project: 'SeansPlayground';
package: 'Neo-JSON-Utilities';
load.
To aid in writing mappings, send reader mapHelperFor: MyDomainClass, where
MyDomainClass need not even exist. This will halt inside
On 28 Apr 2014, at 15:58, Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr wrote:
On 28 Apr 2014, at 15:34, Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr wrote:
Hi,
So we did
- an update 30837 to remove a bit of Scriploader methods so the do not end
up in the .sources file (60.000 LOC…)
- then we
On 28 Apr 2014, at 15:58, Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr wrote:
On 28 Apr 2014, at 15:34, Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr wrote:
Hi,
So we did
- an update 30837 to remove a bit of Scriploader methods so the do not end
up in the .sources file (60.000 LOC…)
- then we
On 28 Apr 2014, at 16:12, Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr wrote:
A close examination shows that *all* class side Traits methods have broken
source pointers…
Maybe that is just an oversight and easily fixed ?
On 28 Apr 2014, at 16:21, Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@stfx.eu wrote:
On 28 Apr 2014, at 16:12, Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr wrote:
A close examination shows that *all* class side Traits methods have broken
source pointers…
Maybe that is just an oversight and easily fixed ?
I
Hi,
if you downloaded 30 838 (from today) or 30 837 please re-download 837.
Both images where broken due to things that have to be done “just before the
release”,
which are, of course, broken as they are only done just before the release once
a year.
Marcus
On 28 Apr 2014, at 16:31, Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr wrote:
Hi,
if you downloaded 30 838 (from today) or 30 837 please re-download 837.
Both images where broken due to things that have to be done “just before the
release”,
which are, of course, broken as they are only done
Awesome! It's really cool to see you pushing like this! Keep going!
Cheers,
Nico
Sebastian Sastre writes:
Hi guys,
I thought you might like to hear that after presenting a case on Smalltalk
using these slides:
http://dinos.flowingconcept.com
to an for an heterogeneous audience ~(10%
Sean P. DeNigris wrote
Assuming Neo-JSON-Core is loaded
To aid in writing mappings, send reader mapHelperFor: MyDomainClass
I improved the API a bit. Now, the mapping is done via class-side
#addNeoJsonMapTo: aNeoJSONReader.
The default (defined in class) brings up the helper. So now you can
Sebastian Sastre wrote:
Hi guys,
I thought you might like to hear that after presenting a case on
Smalltalk using these slides:
http://dinos.flowingconcept.com
to an for
an heterogeneous audience ~(10% devel 10% creatives a couple of angel
investors and most people
Thank you, Marcus.
Doru
On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.frwrote:
On 28 Apr 2014, at 16:31, Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr wrote:
Hi,
if you downloaded 30 838 (from today) or 30 837 please re-download 837.
Both images where broken due to
Sean P. DeNigris wrote
I improved the API a bit. Now, the mapping is done via class-side
#addNeoJsonMapTo: aNeoJSONReader.
Of course, if I had RTFM (more thoroughly), I would've noticed that Sven
already implemented that ;) So the hook is simply a default
Class#neoJsonMapping: which brings up
Great to hear of small successes in reception of Pharo in the broader
community. Some ideas...
1. The most kick ass thing I can think of would go something like this...
a. Set up two computers nominally customer (or webserver) and
support team. Start the same image on each.
b. On
Tudor Girba-2 wrote
Thank you, Marcus.
+ 100
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… more a Smalltalk one using Pharo:
MountainWest RubyConf 2014
Noel Rappin: But Really, You Should Learn Smalltalk”
Smalltalk has mystique. We talk about it more than we use it. It seems like it
should be so similar to Ruby. It has similar Object-Oriented structures, it
even has blocks. But
On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 6:58 PM, kilon alios kilon.al...@gmail.com wrote:
very cool presentation. Definitely you need to add this to the new
website.
Question : Why in every presentation we have to apologise why smalltalk is
dead / extinct ?
As a newcomer to Smalltalk I find it quite
very cool presentation. Definitely you need to add this to the new website.
Question : Why in every presentation we have to apologise why smalltalk is
dead / extinct ?
As a newcomer to Smalltalk I find it quite annoying. Its not as if I came
to Smalltalk without knowing that is not popular. The
Am 28.04.2014 um 18:58 schrieb kilon alios kilon.al...@gmail.com:
very cool presentation. Definitely you need to add this to the new website.
Question : Why in every presentation we have to apologise why smalltalk is
dead / extinct ?
As a newcomer to Smalltalk I find it quite
That is why we talk about Pharo as a cool, modern environment and language
that is Smalltalk-inspired.
We do not need to apologize because Pharo was never dead :).
Doru
On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 7:16 PM, Norbert Hartl norb...@hartl.name wrote:
Am 28.04.2014 um 18:58 schrieb kilon alios
On Apr 28, 2014, at 1:58 PM, kilon alios kilon.al...@gmail.com wrote:
very cool presentation. Definitely you need to add this to the new website.
Question : Why in every presentation we have to apologise why smalltalk is
dead / extinct ?
Is not on video but for what’s worth, I don’t
On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com wrote:
That is why we talk about Pharo as a cool, modern environment and language
that is Smalltalk-inspired.
We went through this a few months ago. Pharo isn't inspired by Smalltalk;
it /is/ a Smalltalk. Trying to be
+1
Smalltalk heritage and its future should be carried on by Pharo Smalltalk.
On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 11:08 PM, Eliot Miranda eliot.mira...@gmail.comwrote:
On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.comwrote:
That is why we talk about Pharo as a cool, modern
On Apr 28, 2014, at 2:20 PM, Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com wrote:
That is why we talk about Pharo as a cool, modern environment and language
that is Smalltalk-inspired.
We do not need to apologize because Pharo was never dead :).
nice joke
Talking of Smalltalk-inspired…. Ruby is
It is good when an outsider talks about your stuff, they have views
we simply can't have because reflection is not always possible.
I think he nails the point about the shift from what's become
important and what not (24:45), and the monolithic or mandatory
approach of Smalltalk in general, vs
Sebastian you are absolutely correct, I did not understand that he was
referring to a stereotype that ruby community has about smalltalk. I
apologize.
On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 8:27 PM, Sebastian Sastre
sebast...@flowingconcept.com wrote:
On Apr 28, 2014, at 1:58 PM, kilon alios
On Apr 28, 2014, at 2:57 PM, kilon alios kilon.al...@gmail.com wrote:
Sebastian you are absolutely correct, I did not understand that he was
referring to a stereotype that ruby community has about smalltalk. I
apologize.
Is important that we talk these things so we understand how to break
Hi,
I do not claim that Pharo does not look like a Smalltalk now. It does as it
shares quite a bit with the model. But, I do claim that it already has
distinctive characteristics that make it go away from a classic
Smalltalk. And there will be more and more in the future.
So, what is better as a
my pleasure
I missed a couple of words he said in the video, hence my misunderstanding.
As always few words are enough to turn a meaning on its head. Watched it
once more and now it clear that he presented Smalltalk in a very fair
manner. I also completely agree with his criticism on smalltalk of
Fair enough.
But to me the distinction is like Scheme and Common Lisp. They're
dialects of Lisp.
Other example is Racket, that tries to sell itself as a superior
Lisp/Scheme, as TypeScript tries to sell itself as a superset of
JavaScript :)
To me, they're all Lisp. As Pharo IS Smalltalk.
On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com wrote:
Hi Eliot,
I know we went through it, and we still disagree :). I have provided
detailed arguments and I have seen no others that did refute mine.
OK, I'll bite :-). Point me to the arguments and I'll have a go at
I think for people coming outside , it wont matter whether Pharo is
Smalltalk or Smalltalk-inspired. Chances are that they wont care about the
semantics at all, just what pharo can do for me now. And its great you
all focus on the practical side and not the philosophical side.
Also if you think
On Apr 28, 2014, at 3:24 PM, Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com wrote:
So, what is better as a communication strategy:
- to say that Pharo is a Smalltalk with traits, modular compiler, slots and
moldable debugger, ... (more to come in this list), or
- to say that Pharo is a modern
2014-04-28 16:31 GMT-03:00 kilon alios kilon.al...@gmail.com:
I once laughed at the video when he pointed that pressing enter on workspace
does not run the code. That was a WTF moment for me when I first tried
workspace in Squeak. Many other strange things , instance variables by
default
For some reason, you are under the impression that I focus on the Smalltalk
community. I have no intention of going there. Our goal is precisely the
opposite - the developer community at large.
It is precisely for this reason that I will keep on saying that Pharo is a
modern language and
On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 7:46 PM, S Krish
krishnamachari.sudha...@gmail.comwrote:
+1
Smalltalk heritage and its future should be carried on by Pharo
Smalltalk.
+1!
On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 11:08 PM, Eliot Miranda
eliot.mira...@gmail.comwrote:
On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 10:20 AM,
On Apr 28, 2014, at 4:59 PM, Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com wrote:
For some reason, you are under the impression that I focus on the Smalltalk
community. I have no intention of going there. Our goal is precisely the
opposite - the developer community at large.
glad to hear that.
Keep
What no REPL? Check this:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3067563/using-squeak-from-a-shell
Works out of the box in Pharo 2.0. For prior versions (definitely
works in 1.3 and 1.4), first file in https://gist.github.com/2602113;
| command |
[
command := FileStream stdin nextLine.
Hi Phil,
2014-04-28 17:07 GMT-03:00 p...@highoctane.be p...@highoctane.be:
What no REPL? Check this:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3067563/using-squeak-from-a-shell
Works out of the box in Pharo 2.0. For prior versions (definitely works in
1.3 and 1.4), first file in
Hi Eliot,
On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 9:08 PM, Eliot Miranda eliot.mira...@gmail.comwrote:
On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.comwrote:
Hi Eliot,
I know we went through it, and we still disagree :). I have provided
detailed arguments and I have seen no others
On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 10:24 PM, Esteban A. Maringolo emaring...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi Phil,
2014-04-28 17:07 GMT-03:00 p...@highoctane.be p...@highoctane.be:
What no REPL? Check this:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3067563/using-squeak-from-a-shell
Works out of the box in Pharo
Tudor Girba-2 wrote
There is a point of view from which one could say that
Pharo is Smalltalk by seeing Smalltalk as a movement, rather than specific
implementation. Unfortunately, everyone else thinks of Smalltalk as a
specific language, or set of languages with specific environments that
kilon alios wrote
Watched it once more and now it clear that he presented Smalltalk in a
very fair
manner
Yes, it was very fair and a nice bridge between the Ruby and Smalltalk
communities i.e. not too elitist.
kilon alios wrote
I also completely agree with his criticism on smalltalk of...
2014-04-28 21:42 GMT-03:00 Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com:
Yes, it was very fair and a nice bridge between the Ruby and Smalltalk
communities i.e. not too elitist.
+1
kilon alios wrote
I also completely agree with his criticism on smalltalk of... not playing
well with
others
I
Esteban A. Maringolo wrote
Plays well with choose your favorite text editor (Sublime, Vim,
etc.) and IDEs (RubyMine, etc.), with source control systems (any file
based system), with unix in general (several cli commands), has
binding for any major/mainstream library* (databases, network,
So it's a question of who you're marketing to. Since we're marketing to
non-Smalltalkers (quite wise since 16% market penetration is the tipping
point [1], and we're not there yet)
If you can get Pharo Smalltalk to be what makes people feel great about
using it and creating great applications
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