Re: [Pharo-dev] Hello and a question

2014-05-15 Thread stepharo
Hi rick ANSI is old and can be used with some salt Now what I suggest is - send a clear mail not forcing people to go to the bug trackers - probably with some tracks of solution - make sure that we have a nice discussion - so that get a conclusion and we can take action. Stef

Re: [Pharo-dev] 32 bits and 64 bits VM

2014-05-15 Thread Hilaire Fernandes
May be I was not clear. I just mean VM compiled on a 64 bits architecture, not porting to 64bits architecture. I remember years ago, a friend, without knowledge on Squeakvm, told me he compiled it on its 64bits host. Was he wrong somewhere? Hilaire Le 14/05/2014 21:43, Clément Bera a écrit :

Re: [Pharo-dev] 32 bits and 64 bits VM

2014-05-15 Thread Hilaire Fernandes
Are you sure? Because VM fetched with curl get.pharo.org/vmLatest | bash has no working keypad. Hilaire Le 15/05/2014 00:46, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit : and is integrated but still not promoted to stable (I think it will be next week). In the mean time, vmLatest will work. -- Dr. Geo

Re: [Pharo-dev] 32 bits and 64 bits VM

2014-05-15 Thread p...@highoctane.be
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 9:08 AM, Hilaire Fernandes hilaire.fernan...@gmail.com wrote: Is your build done against not too recent libc et al. ? If so I will be interested to have an archive of it. I've sent you a dropbox link. The thing is uploading now. Tell me how it works. Phil Thanks

Re: [Pharo-dev] 32 bits and 64 bits VM

2014-05-15 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
damn… I was sure. I need to check now :) Esteban On 15 May 2014, at 09:21, Hilaire Fernandes hilaire.fernan...@gmail.com wrote: Are you sure? Because VM fetched with curl get.pharo.org/vmLatest | bash has no working keypad. Hilaire Le 15/05/2014 00:46, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit : and

Re: [Pharo-dev] SmalltalkHub username/password in environment variable?

2014-05-15 Thread Mircea Filip Lungu
Hi Phil! Thanks for the prompt answer. I can't get it to work though... Thanks, M. 2014-05-14 12:10 GMT+02:00 p...@highoctane.be p...@highoctane.be: A while ago, Sean did this: Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com 10/23/13 to pharo-dev philippeback wrote Would be great to have a

Re: [Pharo-dev] Alt-Space is Non-breaking S

2014-05-15 Thread Henrik Johansen
On 13 May 2014, at 8:05 , Eliot Miranda eliot.mira...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 4:08 AM, Henrik Johansen henrik.s.johan...@veloxit.no wrote: … Which is extremely annoying when writing blocks with arguments on a norwegian OSX keyboard. | is Alt - 7, when I don’t

Re: [Pharo-dev] SmalltalkHub username/password in environment variable?

2014-05-15 Thread p...@highoctane.be
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Mircea Filip Lungu lu...@iam.unibe.chwrote: Hi Phil! Thanks for the prompt answer. I can't get it to work though... That's why I need Sean to tell us where the changes to get that working are... I want this too, so, ... bump :-) Phil Thanks, M.

Re: [Pharo-dev] Alt-Space is Non-breaking S

2014-05-15 Thread Damien Pollet
Hi Henrik, You could also tweak your keyboard layout using http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsiid=ukelele I did so myself because we use QWERTY, where I willfully enabled rollover typing like you encounter with | and nbsp, to make accented letters easier to type :

[Pharo-dev] ConfigurationOfIDE and issue 12601

2014-05-15 Thread Pavel Krivanek
Hi, I finally found some time to investigate why the job PharoKernel3.0-FromTopShrink-Reload that tries to load ConfigurationOfIDE to a shrinked image does not work. The raised errors are misleading. The main problem is that during atomic load of the packages in the configuration nothing is

[Pharo-dev] Pharo Docs Generation

2014-05-15 Thread Gabriel Cotelli
Hi, anybody knows how it's generated the online docs in pharodocshttp://files.pharo.org/doc/3.0 ?. Is there a package or script that can be applied to an specific set of packages? Thanks, Gabriel.

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo Docs Generation

2014-05-15 Thread Yuriy Tymchuk
Last time I’ve asked, it had dependency on SeaSide Uko On 15 May 2014, at 13:41, Gabriel Cotelli g.cote...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, anybody knows how it's generated the online docs in pharodocs ?. Is there a package or script that can be applied to an specific set of packages? Thanks,

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo Docs Generation

2014-05-15 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
yes, https://github.com/estebanlm/pharo-webdoc is a filetree project so you need to clone repo into ./repository to make it work. cheers, Esteban On 15 May 2014, at 13:41, Gabriel Cotelli g.cote...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, anybody knows how it's generated the online docs in pharodocs ?. Is

Re: [Pharo-dev] Reef status

2014-05-15 Thread Facundo Vozzi
Yes, not problem. I have seaside, magritte and folks on my image. I'll let you know if I have problems. Thanks, On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 5:45 AM, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.comwrote: On 15 May 2014, at 10:41, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Reef works out of

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo Docs Generation

2014-05-15 Thread Gabriel Cotelli
Thanks, I will give it a try On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 8:54 AM, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.comwrote: yes, https://github.com/estebanlm/pharo-webdoc is a filetree project so you need to clone repo into ./repository to make it work. cheers, Esteban On 15 May 2014, at 13:41,

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo Docs Generation

2014-05-15 Thread p...@highoctane.be
Awesome, I wondered how that was done in order to use it for my own things. On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.comwrote: yes, https://github.com/estebanlm/pharo-webdoc is a filetree project so you need to clone repo into ./repository to make it work.

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo Docs Generation

2014-05-15 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
once installed, you can export doing something like this: (WebDocExporter packages: RPackageOrganizer default packages) exportTo: './doc' asFileReference. (that exports everything, you will need to select your own packages) Esteban On 15 May 2014, at 14:10, p...@highoctane.be wrote:

Re: [Pharo-dev] ConfigurationOfIDE and issue 12601

2014-05-15 Thread stepharo
Pavel for Pharo 40 we would really like to start from your image and load configurations. :) Stef On 15/5/14 13:00, Pavel Krivanek wrote: Hi, I finally found some time to investigate why the job PharoKernel3.0-FromTopShrink-Reload that tries to load ConfigurationOfIDE to a shrinked

Re: [Pharo-dev] SmalltalkHub username/password in environment variable?

2014-05-15 Thread Mircea Filip Lungu
Thanks Yuriy for the fast response! Your solution works, but only for the repos which are in the image. MCHTTPRepositoryuserAndPasswordFromSettingsDo: already has machinery for using credentials. I posted an alternative solution that uses that machinery here:

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo Docs Generation

2014-05-15 Thread Yuriy Tymchuk
Is there a configuration for it? If no, can we create one and put on meta repo? Uko On 15 May 2014, at 14:13, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com wrote: once installed, you can export doing something like this: (WebDocExporter packages: RPackageOrganizer default packages) exportTo:

Re: [Pharo-dev] SmalltalkHub username/password in environment variable?

2014-05-15 Thread Yuriy Tymchuk
Thanks Mircea for improvement. Now there is indexible important piece of knowledge :) Uko On 15 May 2014, at 14:28, Mircea Filip Lungu lu...@iam.unibe.ch wrote: Thanks Yuriy for the fast response! Your solution works, but only for the repos which are in the image.

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo Docs Generation

2014-05-15 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
well.. current configuration is taking filetree… we should do one using github. I do not have time right now, but feel free to implement :) Esteban On 15 May 2014, at 14:29, Yuriy Tymchuk yuriy.tymc...@me.com wrote: Is there a configuration for it? If no, can we create one and put on meta

[Pharo-dev] Call for test: Dark Theme now ready (?) for integration

2014-05-15 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
Hi, So I made a pass on the dark theme and I ensured it does not contains hacks and still works. And you can switch between themes without braking anything (but you need to restart all windows). How it works now? - I removed tons and tons of hardcoded colors all around image - I redirected

Re: [Pharo-dev] Call for test: Dark Theme now ready (?) for integration

2014-05-15 Thread Esteban A. Maringolo
So I load as I loaded the previous on Pharo 3, but this time no merge will be required? Regards! Esteban A. Maringolo 2014-05-15 13:07 GMT-03:00 Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com: Hi, So I made a pass on the dark theme and I ensured it does not contains hacks and still works. And you

Re: [Pharo-dev] Call for test: Dark Theme now ready (?) for integration

2014-05-15 Thread kilon alios
is the installation procedure exactly the same ? Do we still need to merge ? this is what I use for installation “1. You need this because otherwise Gofer merge becomes dumb :P MCRepositoryGroup default addRepository: (MCSmalltalkhubRepository owner: 'estebanlm' project:

Re: [Pharo-dev] Call for test: Dark Theme now ready (?) for integration

2014-05-15 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
no, no… is the same. You still need to merge :) But if we have a “good to go” the idea is to integrate it. Esteban On 15 May 2014, at 18:15, kilon alios kilon.al...@gmail.com wrote: is the installation procedure exactly the same ? Do we still need to merge ? this is what I use for

Re: [Pharo-dev] 32 bits and 64 bits VM

2014-05-15 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
so yes… I integrated the fix, created a pull request, waited until validation… and then I forget to merge :S it should be in process to build now. Esteban On 15 May 2014, at 10:44, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com wrote: damn… I was sure. I need to check now :) Esteban On 15 May

Re: [Pharo-dev] Call for test: Dark Theme now ready (?) for integration

2014-05-15 Thread p...@highoctane.be
Did you fix the DiffMorph colors? The colorForType: thing. Le 15 mai 2014 18:20, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com a écrit : no, no… is the same. You still need to merge :) But if we have a “good to go” the idea is to integrate it. Esteban On 15 May 2014, at 18:15, kilon alios

Re: [Pharo-dev] 32 bits and 64 bits VM

2014-05-15 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
On 15 May 2014, at 10:52, p...@highoctane.be wrote: On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com wrote: damn… I was sure. I need to check now :) Hey, when will we get a CentOS 6.x slave running? ;-) [sorry, couldn't resist. But, truth be told, having a CentOS

Re: [Pharo-dev] Call for test: Dark Theme now ready (?) for integration

2014-05-15 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
On 15 May 2014, at 18:24, p...@highoctane.be wrote: Did you fix the DiffMorph colors? a bit… I think there is still a need to work there, but now at least you can see the changes :) Esteban The colorForType: thing. Le 15 mai 2014 18:20, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com a écrit :

Re: [Pharo-dev] Call for test: Dark Theme now ready (?) for integration

2014-05-15 Thread Clara Allende
2014-05-15 18:13 GMT+02:00 Esteban A. Maringolo emaring...@gmail.com: So I load as I loaded the previous on Pharo 3, but this time no merge will be required? This time there weren't merge conflicts, if that's what you mean for no merge required Esteban, is that part of the fix? (Thanks if it

Re: [Pharo-dev] ConfigurationOfIDE and issue 12601

2014-05-15 Thread Tudor Girba
This would make for a beautiful goal. Doru On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 2:27 PM, stepharo steph...@free.fr wrote: Pavel for Pharo 40 we would really like to start from your image and load configurations. :) Stef On 15/5/14 13:00, Pavel Krivanek wrote: Hi, I finally found some time to

[Pharo-dev] Pharo Video Tutorial

2014-05-15 Thread kilon alios
As you may or may not be aware of I have started a series of Video Tutorials that I upload to YouTube. I also add these tutorials to my Pharo Video Tutorial playlist. Since the last time I posted I have added 9 new tutorials. The playlist is now 2 hours and 22 minutes long and of course there is a

Re: [Pharo-dev] I made a pass on the new website

2014-05-15 Thread Tudor Girba
On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 8:25 PM, Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.frwrote: On 11 May 2014, at 17:34, Luc Fabresse luc.fabre...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-05-11 13:21 GMT+02:00 Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr: On 11 May 2014, at 10:11, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com wrote: Hi,

Re: [Pharo-dev] ConfigurationOfIDE and issue 12601

2014-05-15 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
form my POV, this THE goal of pharo 4. Being able to build pharo from kernel and with nice configurations for all submodules. We’ll see :P Esteban On 15 May 2014, at 18:34, Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com wrote: This would make for a beautiful goal. Doru On Thu, May 15, 2014 at

Re: [Pharo-dev] ConfigurationOfIDE and issue 12601

2014-05-15 Thread Tudor Girba
Sold. We make this goal number 1. Doru On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 6:36 PM, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.comwrote: form my POV, this THE goal of pharo 4. Being able to build pharo from kernel and with nice configurations for all submodules. We’ll see :P Esteban On 15 May 2014, at

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] Pharo Video Tutorial

2014-05-15 Thread Tudor Girba
Excellent! Doru On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 6:36 PM, kilon alios kilon.al...@gmail.com wrote: As you may or may not be aware of I have started a series of Video Tutorials that I upload to YouTube. I also add these tutorials to my Pharo Video Tutorial playlist. Since the last time I posted I

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] Pharo Video Tutorial

2014-05-15 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
supercool kilon, thank you very much! Esteban On 15 May 2014, at 18:36, kilon alios kilon.al...@gmail.com wrote: As you may or may not be aware of I have started a series of Video Tutorials that I upload to YouTube. I also add these tutorials to my Pharo Video Tutorial playlist. Since the

Re: [Pharo-dev] 32 bits and 64 bits VM

2014-05-15 Thread Hilaire Fernandes
Great. As we are discussing about build, is it possible to compile CogVM on 64 bits architecture as it is already the case for the interpreted SqueakVM (https://packages.debian.org/sid/squeak-vm)? Hilaire Le 15/05/2014 18:24, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit : so yes… I integrated the fix, created a

Re: [Pharo-dev] ConfigurationOfIDE and issue 12601

2014-05-15 Thread Luc Fabresse
+1 #Luc 2014-05-15 18:43 GMT+02:00 Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com: Sold. We make this goal number 1. Doru On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 6:36 PM, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.comwrote: form my POV, this THE goal of pharo 4. Being able to build pharo from kernel and with nice

Re: [Pharo-dev] I made a pass on the new website

2014-05-15 Thread Marcus Denker
On 15 May 2014, at 19:11, Esteban A. Maringolo emaring...@gmail.com wrote: I think Luc's version is better, but doesn't fit with the new flat look of Pharo. Also, both icons have a MacOS Aqua look, outdated by today's fashion. The advantage of using PayPal's standard icon (albeit

Re: [Pharo-dev] ConfigurationOfIDE and issue 12601

2014-05-15 Thread Norbert Hartl
+ 1 Norbert Am 15.05.2014 um 18:36 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com: form my POV, this THE goal of pharo 4. Being able to build pharo from kernel and with nice configurations for all submodules. We’ll see :P Esteban On 15 May 2014, at 18:34, Tudor Girba

Re: [Pharo-dev] a Pharo talk from a ruby conference

2014-05-15 Thread kmo
Looking at the new pharo website (it’s great, by the way), I found I was more upset than I thought I would be by the total absence of the s-word. Perhaps lots of people think smalltalk is a dead language but that’s not the only view of smalltalk that people have out there. I came to pharo

Re: [Pharo-dev] a Pharo talk from a ruby conference

2014-05-15 Thread David Astels
I agree whole heartedly. Ditch “agile” a tool/language can’t be agile anyway… agile is a characteristic of a team, their process, and their dynamic. And it’s generally meaningless now. Also, Pharo IS a Smalltalk. That’s the biggest thing that makes it interesting. Saying Pharo isn’t

[Pharo-dev] One complaint about Pharo

2014-05-15 Thread David Astels
One of the big issues I have with Pharo is that I’m stuck on a single screen, unlike Cincom Smalltalk that uses separate OS windows that I can spread over multiple screens. I’m assuming this is a hard limit in OSX, but it’s a bit annoying. Yes, Self has the same issue, and it’s just as

Re: [Pharo-dev] I made a pass on the new website

2014-05-15 Thread Sebastian Sastre
On May 15, 2014, at 2:11 PM, Esteban A. Maringolo emaring...@gmail.com wrote: I think Luc's version is better, but doesn't fit with the new flat look of Pharo. Also, both icons have a MacOS Aqua look, outdated by today's fashion. The advantage of using PayPal's standard icon (albeit

Re: [Pharo-dev] a Pharo talk from a ruby conference

2014-05-15 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
On 15 May 2014, at 20:18, David Astels dast...@icloud.com wrote: I agree whole heartedly. Ditch “agile” a tool/language can’t be agile anyway… agile is a characteristic of a team, their process, and their dynamic. And it’s generally meaningless now. Also, Pharo IS a Smalltalk. That’s

Re: [Pharo-dev] One complaint about Pharo

2014-05-15 Thread Laurent Laffont
Hi, I remember the Mars project (see http://marsonpharo.wordpress.com/2013/09/16/mars-widgets-and-layouts-examples/[1] ) but don't know the current status... Laurent Le jeudi 15 mai 2014, 13:21:25 David Astels a écrit : One of the big issues I have with Pharo is that I’m stuck on a single

Re: [Pharo-dev] a Pharo talk from a ruby conference

2014-05-15 Thread David Astels
Yes, but Clojure being a Lisp is why I use it. Same as Pharo being a Smalltalk is why I use it. They are both evolutions, and looking at them there is no way not to immediately see what they are. On May 15, 2014, at 1:56 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@stfx.eu wrote: On 15 May 2014, at

Re: [Pharo-dev] One complaint about Pharo

2014-05-15 Thread Eliot Miranda
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 11:21 AM, David Astels dast...@icloud.com wrote: One of the big issues I have with Pharo is that I’m stuck on a single screen, unlike Cincom Smalltalk that uses separate OS windows that I can spread over multiple screens. I’m assuming this is a hard limit in OSX, but

Re: [Pharo-dev] One complaint about Pharo

2014-05-15 Thread Esteban A. Maringolo
2014-05-15 16:57 GMT-03:00 Eliot Miranda eliot.mira...@gmail.com: That single screen has its advantages. It's a very cosy place to be :-) +1 Plus... unless we got independent process/queues per window (like Smalltalk/X [1]) I don't see the advantage from the development standpoint. Regards,

Re: [Pharo-dev] a Pharo talk from a ruby conference

2014-05-15 Thread Sergi Reyner
Pharo is a Smalltalk for the 21st century. - Sergi Reyner. Cheers, Sergi

Re: [Pharo-dev] a Pharo talk from a ruby conference

2014-05-15 Thread kmo
Yes, this is all about marketing. But I think being smalltalk is a marketing plus. It was for me. Who are these people who will run a mile at the mention of smalltalk? And if they hate smalltalk so much, are they not going to be disappointed when they find out that pharo is just another version of

Re: [Pharo-dev] a Pharo talk from a ruby conference

2014-05-15 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
On 15 May 2014, at 22:13, kmo vox...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, this is all about marketing. But I think being smalltalk is a marketing plus. It was for me. Who are these people who will run a mile at the mention of smalltalk? And if they hate smalltalk so much, are they not going to be

Re: [Pharo-dev] a Pharo talk from a ruby conference

2014-05-15 Thread Esteban A. Maringolo
2014-05-15 17:26 GMT-03:00 Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@stfx.eu: On 15 May 2014, at 22:13, kmo vox...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, this is all about marketing. But I think being smalltalk is a marketing plus. It was for me. Who are these people who will run a mile at the mention of smalltalk? And if

Re: [Pharo-dev] One complaint about Pharo

2014-05-15 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
yes… we have a version of mars that more or less works. Never announced because there is a lot of other “small details” to fix, but someone could actually do a desktop app with it. Now… there is a difference between making a desktop app and developing with pharo. For desktop apps is most

Re: [Pharo-dev] a Pharo talk from a ruby conference

2014-05-15 Thread Sebastian Sastre
you are seeing Natural Selection* in the eye right there in Sven comment sebastian o/ * applied to technology, a cultural actifact On 15/05/2014, at 17:26, Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@stfx.eu wrote: You would be surprised how little young people know about older languages and

Re: [Pharo-dev] SmalltalkHub username/password in environment variable?

2014-05-15 Thread Sean P. DeNigris
philippeback wrote That's why I need Sean to tell us where the changes to get that working are... I see that you found the part of the code to programmatically set the credentials. I had also wrote code to read those credentials from a file. It's in the DeNigrisPreferences package on sthub. If

Re: [Pharo-dev] One complaint about Pharo

2014-05-15 Thread Chris Muller
As one begins to expand their work into multiple images, one host window per ends up being the only practical way to keep it managed. On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 1:21 PM, David Astels dast...@icloud.com wrote: One of the big issues I have with Pharo is that I’m stuck on a single screen, unlike