Re: [Pharo-dev] Status Updates for Hot New Libraries?

2016-02-16 8:06 GMT+01:00 Nicolai Hess : > > Am 16.02.2016 7:27 vorm. schrieb "Clément Bera" : > > > > I have been using SDL for a while now. It works fine with the latest > pre-spur VM. I think Esteban made the Spur migration right now so it should

Re: [Pharo-dev] Status Updates for Hot New Libraries?

Am 16.02.2016 7:27 vorm. schrieb "Clément Bera" : > > I have been using SDL for a while now. It works fine with the latest pre-spur VM. I think Esteban made the Spur migration right now so it should work fine. > > It is really a game changer. You can start Pharo in

Re: [Pharo-dev] New Cog VMs available as per VMMaker.oscog-eem.1679/r3602

Hi Clément, > On Feb 15, 2016, at 10:28 PM, Clément Bera wrote: > > Hey Eliot, > > the Pharo builds you have integrated, they have the exact same plugin as > existing Pharo VM ? I am thinking of libgit, Cairo or SDL2 for example. No, but I hope that people who know

Re: [Pharo-dev] New Cog VMs available as per VMMaker.oscog-eem.1679/r3602

> On 16 Feb 2016, at 03:32, Sean P. DeNigris wrote: > > Eliot Miranda-2 wrote >> ... Bug Fixes and Improvements... > > Wow that was a long list of improvements, and exciting that 64-bit and one > unified build process are so near! Thanks and congrats!! +100 Yeah! >

Re: [Pharo-dev] New Cog VMs available as per VMMaker.oscog-eem.1679/r3602

Hey Eliot, the Pharo builds you have integrated, they have the exact same plugin as existing Pharo VM ? I am thinking of libgit, Cairo or SDL2 for example. I am so happy to be able to build Pharo VM now. That would simplify so many things for me. 2016-02-16 3:32 GMT+01:00 Sean P. DeNigris

Re: [Pharo-dev] Status Updates for Hot New Libraries?

I have been using SDL for a while now. It works fine with the latest pre-spur VM. I think Esteban made the Spur migration right now so it should work fine. It is really a game changer. You can start Pharo in headless, open a SDL window, use Cairo to render things on it and have it catch user

Re: [Pharo-dev] Compiling the unix vm / spur

On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 3:45 AM, Eliot Miranda wrote: > That's a bug in the CMake code > (which I hope will be history in a few months). Are you indicating using an alternative build system? btw, last week I came across Ninja [1], a static build system designed to be

Re: [Pharo-dev] New Cog VMs available as per VMMaker.oscog-eem.1679/r3602

Eliot Miranda-2 wrote > ... Bug Fixes and Improvements... Wow that was a long list of improvements, and exciting that 64-bit and one unified build process are so near! Thanks and congrats!! - Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context:

[Pharo-dev] rename packages (RPackage)

What should happen if we rename a package, by only changing lower/uppercase: Rename FooBar to Foobar (there is an issue about this 17587 Renaming Package in Nautilus does not work) I am not yet sure what *should* happen: - raise an error, because (somewhere deep in the system) the names are

Re: [Pharo-dev] Status Updates for Hot New Libraries?

> > Did I miss any? > libgit2?

Re: [Pharo-dev] Compiling the unix vm / spur

On February 15, 2016 7:37:34 PM GMT+01:00, Markus Fritsche wrote: >Hi, > >I was just going to update the ubuntu ppa an wanted to supply a spur vm > >image. The compilation stopped however: I reported the same this morning :

[Pharo-dev] Compiling the unix vm / spur

Hi, I was just going to update the ubuntu ppa an wanted to supply a spur vm image. The compilation stopped however: -- Configuring done CMake Error at IA32FFIPlugin/CMakeLists.txt:11 (add_library): Cannot find source file:

Re: [Pharo-dev] Proxy DNU vs CannotInterpret. (Ghost related)

Hi Stef, On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 8:18 AM, stepharo wrote: > Hi eliot > > I think that the difference is really what guillermo explained. > With DNU you can only trapped methods that are not defined while if you > want to implement true proxy you do not want holes. > I think

Re: [Pharo-dev] Improving Ghost proxies

On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 8:21 AM, stepharo wrote: > > > Le 15/2/16 14:10, Mariano Martinez Peck a écrit : > > > > On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 7:15 AM, Denis Kudriashov < > dionisi...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hello. >> >> I think it is important to get single

Re: [Pharo-dev] Problems? with MC browser?Process?

Cool. A new research field for testing: vdt - video driven testing sorry, could not resist ;-) i look forward to see the results registered for the course today. Volkert On 15.02.2016 18:23, Aliaksei Syrel wrote: Now I cannot work with a system in that state. To produce a

Re: [Pharo-dev] Problems? with MC browser?Process?

> > Now I cannot work with a system in that state. > To produce a videos of 8 min I lost more than 3 hours. Not fun. I see you take a lot of videos and you catch lots of bugs during filming. Which means that video can be used as helpers to reproduce bugs you catch. Why would not you publish

Re: [Pharo-dev] Improving Ghost proxies

On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 1:22 PM, stepharo wrote: > our policy is > Any package used in the core of Pharo should be saved under Pharo. > > Stef, I think that's not correct. It might be the vision, but it's not the current state. QuallityAssistant, GT-Tools, etc are all

[Pharo-dev] Status Updates for Hot New Libraries?

Can we get a general idea of progress on all the cool new core libraries/features? How production-ready are the following? What is the approximate timeline for that to happen? - TxText - SDL - Rubric - Bloc - Brick Did I miss any? It is unimaginably exciting to have these available. For me, SDL,

Re: [Pharo-dev] More tests for new frameworks

I agree. Now what I would like is the community to push and shout for tests. The question that we can ask ourselves is how can we push more tests. Stef Le 15/2/16 14:15, Mariano Martinez Peck a écrit : Stef, I know it's easy to speak with Monday's newspaper, but I wouldn't accept projects for

Re: [Pharo-dev] Improving Ghost proxies

our policy is Any package used in the core of Pharo should be saved under Pharo. Stef Le 15/2/16 11:15, Denis Kudriashov a écrit : Hello. I think it is important to get single proxy framework for Pharo. It should provide required integration support for our tools. I want push Ghost in

Re: [Pharo-dev] Improving Ghost proxies

Le 15/2/16 14:10, Mariano Martinez Peck a écrit : On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 7:15 AM, Denis Kudriashov > wrote: Hello. I think it is important to get single proxy framework for Pharo. It should provide required integration

Re: [Pharo-dev] Problems? with MC browser?Process?

2016-02-15 17:09 GMT+01:00 stepharo >: Hi Today I got several times problems with the refresh of the screen (see attachement) and I could not produce the videos I wanted. I wonder if there is not a problem with the

Re: [Pharo-dev] Proxy DNU vs CannotInterpret. (Ghost related)

Hi eliot I think that the difference is really what guillermo explained. With DNU you can only trapped methods that are not defined while if you want to implement true proxy you do not want holes. I think that also with DNU proxy there were some limits realyed to classe but I do not remember.

Re: [Pharo-dev] why spotter shows up when I type enter in the inputfield of the finder?

may be my keyboard baterry is the problem. I have no idea but I could reproduce it. Now I changed image. Just lost time. Stef Le 15/2/16 13:43, Volkert a écrit : Have not problems here ... Pharo5.0 Latest update: #50581 Ubuntu 14.04 On 15.02.2016 10:48, stepharo wrote: Hi guys you cannot

Re: [Pharo-dev] Problems? with MC browser?Process?

2016-02-15 17:09 GMT+01:00 stepharo : > Hi > > Today I got several times problems with the refresh of the screen (see > attachement) > and I could > not produce the videos I wanted. > I wonder if there is not a problem with the processes around MC browser. > I do not see what

Re: [Pharo-dev] Proxy DNU vs CannotInterpret. (Ghost related)

Hi Guille, > On Feb 15, 2016, at 6:28 AM, Guille Polito wrote: > > Well, the main drawback is that you'll not be able to trap any messages > implemented by DNUProxy, because as they are implemented, they are understood. > > Also, the idea of Ghost was not only to

Re: [Pharo-dev] Proxy DNU vs CannotInterpret. (Ghost related)

Hi Denis, > On Feb 15, 2016, at 6:53 AM, Denis Kudriashov wrote: > > > 2016-02-15 15:32 GMT+01:00 Mariano Martinez Peck : >> As far as I can remember (this was about 4 years ago) The use of >> #cannotInterpret: was the only way to be able to

Re: [Pharo-dev] Proxy DNU vs CannotInterpret. (Ghost related)

2016-02-15 15:57 GMT+01:00 Mariano Martinez Peck : > You mean the hierarchy because of #cannotInterpret: is sent to the > superclass? If true, then yes, it will simplify that. Yes

Re: [Pharo-dev] Proxy DNU vs CannotInterpret. (Ghost related)

On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Denis Kudriashov wrote: > > 2016-02-15 15:32 GMT+01:00 Mariano Martinez Peck : > >> As far as I can remember (this was about 4 years ago) The use of >> #cannotInterpret: was the only way to be able to intercept

Re: [Pharo-dev] Proxy DNU vs CannotInterpret. (Ghost related)

2016-02-15 15:32 GMT+01:00 Mariano Martinez Peck : > As far as I can remember (this was about 4 years ago) The use of > #cannotInterpret: was the only way to be able to intercept everything > without breaking the system. Subclassing from ProtoObject make your proxy > to

Re: [Pharo-dev] Proxy DNU vs CannotInterpret. (Ghost related)

On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 11:11 AM, Denis Kudriashov wrote: > I compared doesNotUnderstand: vs cannotInterpret: versions of proxies. > > DNUProxy>>doesNotUnderstand: aMessage > lastMessage := aMessage. > ^'from DNU proxy' > > CannotInterpretProxy>>cannotInterpret: aMessage >

Re: [Pharo-dev] Proxy DNU vs CannotInterpret. (Ghost related)

Well, the main drawback is that you'll not be able to trap any messages implemented by DNUProxy, because as they are implemented, they are understood. Also, the idea of Ghost was not only to use cannot interpret, but to provide a library that allowed to proxy objects as well as methods and

[Pharo-dev] Proxy DNU vs CannotInterpret. (Ghost related)

I compared doesNotUnderstand: vs cannotInterpret: versions of proxies. DNUProxy>>doesNotUnderstand: aMessage lastMessage := aMessage. ^'from DNU proxy' CannotInterpretProxy>>cannotInterpret: aMessage lastMessage := aMessage. ^'from cannot interpret proxy' And DNU proxy works 2 times faster

Re: [Pharo-dev] More tests for new frameworks

Stef, I know it's easy to speak with Monday's newspaper, but I wouldn't accept projects for Pharo that do not have tests. I do not pretend X number of percentage, but at least some tests. Otherwise, YOU will have to pay the costs. Max: we already have a test coverage tool already in the image

Re: [Pharo-dev] Improving Ghost proxies

On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 7:15 AM, Denis Kudriashov wrote: > Hello. > > I think it is important to get single proxy framework for Pharo. It should > provide required integration support for our tools. > > I want push Ghost in that direction. Debuggers and inspectors should

Re: [Pharo-dev] why spotter shows up when I type enter in the inputfield of the finder?

Hi, > On Feb 15, 2016, at 1:43 PM, Henrik Nergaard wrote: > >> Except shift-enter in Finder input field still brings up Spotter. > Spotter is a global key-bind meaning that any user of km-dispatcher > will by default bring up spotter on shift-enter... >

Re: [Pharo-dev] why spotter shows up when I type enter in the inputfield of the finder?

Have not problems here ... Pharo5.0 Latest update: #50581 Ubuntu 14.04 On 15.02.2016 10:48, stepharo wrote: Hi guys you cannot imagine the amount of energy I'm losing because of the flux of the tools. why spotter shows up when I type enter in the inputfield of the finder? Is it on purpose?

Re: [Pharo-dev] why spotter shows up when I type enter in the inputfield of the finder?

>Except shift-enter in Finder input field still brings up Spotter. Spotter is a global key-bind meaning that any user of km-dispatcher will by default bring up spotter on shift-enter... Perhaps it would be better to move this to those that actually uses it; in the WorldMorph

Re: [Pharo-dev] Is there a problem in latest pharo with refresh?

No I was programming my counter for newbies and the refresh got broken so I got windows not removed on the background. Stef Le 15/2/16 12:23, Ben Coman a écrit : On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 6:57 PM, stepharo wrote: Hi I cannot produce videos with the latest pharo image

Re: [Pharo-dev] why spotter shows up when I type enter in the inputfield of the finder?

Lucky you. Le 15/2/16 12:16, Marcus Denker a écrit : On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 10:48 AM, stepharo > wrote: Hi guys you cannot imagine the amount of energy I'm losing because of the flux of the tools. why spotter shows up when I

Re: [Pharo-dev] How do remove the setup empty pane in the GTdebugger?

And I'm the idiot that have to explain what it is in videos. I can tell you that I regret to use Pharo 50 for the Pharo mooc. Stef Le 15/2/16 13:01, Nicolai Hess a écrit : 2016-02-15 12:28 GMT+01:00 Ben Coman >: On Mon, Feb 15, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] How do remove the setup empty pane in the GTdebugger?

2016-02-15 12:28 GMT+01:00 Ben Coman : > On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 7:00 PM, stepharo wrote: > > Hi > > > > Why pharo tools are getting more complex? > > How do remove the setup empty pane in the GTdebugger? > > :( > > Its not clear to me what you mean. What

Re: [Pharo-dev] why spotter shows up when I type enter in the inputfield of the finder?

On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 5:48 PM, stepharo wrote: > Hi guys > > you cannot imagine the amount of energy I'm losing because of the flux of > the tools. > why spotter shows up when I type enter in the inputfield of the finder? > Is it on purpose? > This is 5 times that I'm redoing

[Pharo-dev] [pharo-project/pharo-core]

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Re: [Pharo-dev] How do remove the setup empty pane in the GTdebugger?

On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 7:00 PM, stepharo wrote: > Hi > > Why pharo tools are getting more complex? > How do remove the setup empty pane in the GTdebugger? > :( Its not clear to me what you mean. What steps are required to come to this? Or maybe a screen snapshot? cheers -ben

Re: [Pharo-dev] Is there a problem in latest pharo with refresh?

On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 6:57 PM, stepharo wrote: > Hi > > I cannot produce videos with the latest pharo image because when I move a > window then all the previous windows > stay on the screen. > > Do you see the same? Do you mean something like...

Re: [Pharo-dev] why spotter shows up when I type enter in the inputfield of the finder?

On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 10:48 AM, stepharo wrote: > Hi guys > > you cannot imagine the amount of energy I'm losing because of the flux of > the tools. > why spotter shows up when I type enter in the inputfield of the finder? > I just tried to reproduce that but for me this

Re: [Pharo-dev] Is there a problem in latest pharo with refresh?

> On 15 Feb 2016, at 11:57, stepharo wrote: > > Hi > > I cannot produce videos with the latest pharo image because when I move a > window then all the previous windows > stay on the screen. > > Do you see the same? > No, I do not really understand what you mean but I have

Re: [Pharo-dev] why spotter shows up when I type enter in the inputfield of the finder?

> On 15 Feb 2016, at 11:59, stepharo wrote: > > I'm so fucking sad > These kinds of glitches are killing my fun and energy. I lost again one hour > trying to produce a video > for nothing. > The question is: Do we stop changing and declare Pharo as finished? I do not

Re: [Pharo-dev] New debugger in pharo 5

Le 15/2/16 11:10, Norbert Hartl a écrit : I'm using pharo 5 for the first time and I have trouble getting used to the new debugger there. I think that actions like proceeding, stepping into, over… etc. are important functionalities of a debugger. So it is not a good idea to move them to the

[Pharo-dev] How do remove the setup empty pane in the GTdebugger?

Hi Why pharo tools are getting more complex? How do remove the setup empty pane in the GTdebugger? :( Stef

Re: [Pharo-dev] why spotter shows up when I type enter in the inputfield of the finder?

I'm so fucking sad These kinds of glitches are killing my fun and energy. I lost again one hour trying to produce a video for nothing. Stef Le 15/2/16 11:24, Stephan Eggermont a écrit : On 15-02-16 10:48, stepharo wrote: This is 5 times that I'm redoing a videos for the mooc. :( Isn't

[Pharo-dev] Is there a problem in latest pharo with refresh?

Hi I cannot produce videos with the latest pharo image because when I move a window then all the previous windows stay on the screen. Do you see the same? Stef

Re: [Pharo-dev] why spotter shows up when I type enter in the inputfield of the finder?

On 15-02-16 10:48, stepharo wrote: This is 5 times that I'm redoing a videos for the mooc. :( Isn't it amazing (and/or terrible) what kind of, and how many, little issues you tend to find when shooting a video/screencast to explain something? Every time I've made a screencast I've found

Re: [Pharo-dev] Improving Ghost proxies

And who is using Ghost now? If I will change something I want to check users 2016-02-15 11:15 GMT+01:00 Denis Kudriashov : > Hello. > > I think it is important to get single proxy framework for Pharo. It should > provide required integration support for our tools. > > I

[Pharo-dev] Improving Ghost proxies

Hello. I think it is important to get single proxy framework for Pharo. It should provide required integration support for our tools. I want push Ghost in that direction. Debuggers and inspectors should work correctly with proxies which based on Ghost. Now Ghost is stored in CAR team

[Pharo-dev] New debugger in pharo 5

I'm using pharo 5 for the first time and I have trouble getting used to the new debugger there. I think that actions like proceeding, stepping into, over… etc. are important functionalities of a debugger. So it is not a good idea to move them to the upper right of the window and make them not

[Pharo-dev] why spotter shows up when I type enter in the inputfield of the finder?

Hi guys you cannot imagine the amount of energy I'm losing because of the flux of the tools. why spotter shows up when I type enter in the inputfield of the finder? Is it on purpose? This is 5 times that I'm redoing a videos for the mooc. :( Stef

Re: [Pharo-dev] PharoObjectModel chapter is available for review

fixed! Tx Le 15/2/16 00:34, Eliot Miranda a écrit : Hi Stef, "Implementation note. Deep in the implementation of Pharo, there are three different kinds of objects: 1. ordinary objects with instance variables that are passed by references 2. small integers that are passed by value

Re: [Pharo-dev] PharoObjectModel chapter is available for review

In fact I let it because I did not write it but I will remove this section and add a section including your text more at the end of the chapter Stef Le 15/2/16 00:34, Eliot Miranda a écrit : Hi Stef, "Implementation note. Deep in the implementation of Pharo, there are three different kinds

Re: [Pharo-dev] PharoObjectModel chapter is available for review

thanks I will update the code and probably go less in the details. Le 15/2/16 00:34, Eliot Miranda a écrit : Hi Stef, "Implementation note. Deep in the implementation of Pharo, there are three different kinds of objects: 1. ordinary objects with instance variables that are passed by

[Pharo-dev] Textmenu-in-Finder-code-pane-does-not-work

https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/17590/Textmenu-in-Finder-code-pane-does-not-work