Re: [Pharo-dev] Amber-Pharo based coding dojo in a coworking space

2014-04-29 Thread Markus Fritsche
On 2014-04-28 17:17, Ben Coman wrote: 1. The most kick ass thing I can think of would go something like this... The most kick ass thing I can think of is... - Have a Pharo World being interfaced to an amber frontend, so you can use your image through your browser. ... on second

Re: [Pharo-dev] Amber-Pharo based coding dojo in a coworking space

2014-04-29 Thread kilon alios
how about the other way around ? Pharo being the front end , the IDE for amber, using Pharo to live code a website. That would be a very cool demo. Especially if Amber could leverage the Pharo debugger. On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Markus Fritsche mfrits...@reauktion.dewrote: On

Re: [Pharo-dev] Amber-Pharo based coding dojo in a coworking space

2014-04-29 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
On 29 Apr 2014, at 11:03, kilon alios kilon.al...@gmail.com wrote: how about the other way around ? Pharo being the front end , the IDE for amber, using Pharo to live code a website. That would be a very cool demo. Especially if Amber could leverage the Pharo debugger. I’m trying to

Re: [Pharo-dev] Amber-Pharo based coding dojo in a coworking space

2014-04-29 Thread Sebastian Sastre
On Apr 29, 2014, at 5:58 AM, Markus Fritsche mfrits...@reauktion.de wrote: 1. The most kick ass thing I can think of would go something like this... The most kick ass thing I can think of is... - Have a Pharo World being interfaced to an amber frontend, so you can use your image

Re: [Pharo-dev] Amber-Pharo based coding dojo in a coworking space

2014-04-29 Thread kilon alios
People introduced to amber is highly unlikely to be aware of Pharo but that does not change the fact that if you as Amber tell this coder hey I also offer a very powerful IDE instead of hey I also offer a very basic IDE it will be obviously a big plus for him. I just dont think diverting

Re: [Pharo-dev] Amber-Pharo based coding dojo in a coworking space

2014-04-29 Thread Sebastian Sastre
On Apr 29, 2014, at 9:35 AM, kilon alios kilon.al...@gmail.com wrote: I think that Amber and Pharo should be merged, maybe not as code bases or not as projects or websites or whatever but as communities. The way I see it both work towards the same goal, making the Smalltalk voice heard

Re: [Pharo-dev] Amber-Pharo based coding dojo in a coworking space

2014-04-29 Thread kilon alios
I was talking mainly about the IDE and other areas where Pharo and Amber overlap. I think Amber is awesome for what it is and should be kept developed independently. If your ass is being kicked by AngularJS https://angularjs.org/ or Meteorhttps://www.meteor.com/ because you reach the goal faster

Re: [Pharo-dev] Amber-Pharo based coding dojo in a coworking space

2014-04-29 Thread kilon alios
Sorry I meant Do you seriously believe people will give *up* JS for Amber alternatives ? On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 4:03 PM, kilon alios kilon.al...@gmail.com wrote: I was talking mainly about the IDE and other areas where Pharo and Amber overlap. I think Amber is awesome for what it is and

Re: [Pharo-dev] Amber-Pharo based coding dojo in a coworking space

2014-04-29 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
On 29 Apr 2014, at 15:42, Sebastian Sastre sebast...@flowingconcept.com wrote: On Apr 29, 2014, at 10:22 AM, Nicolas Petton petton.nico...@gmail.com wrote: I’m trying to convince Nico to do that for *ages* but he does not sees the advantages/coolness of that approach. Esteban,

Re: [Pharo-dev] Amber-Pharo based coding dojo in a coworking space

2014-04-29 Thread Norbert Hartl
Am 29.04.2014 um 15:22 schrieb Nicolas Petton petton.nico...@gmail.com: Esteban Lorenzano writes: Pharo being the front end , the IDE for amber, using Pharo to live code a website. That would be a very cool demo. Especially if Amber could leverage the Pharo debugger. I’m trying to

Re: [Pharo-dev] Amber-Pharo based coding dojo in a coworking space

2014-04-29 Thread Sebastian Sastre
On Apr 29, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Norbert Hartl norb...@hartl.name wrote: Who is people? Is it inside Inria? If not it might be a good idea to make it visible to the public so a few more people could chime in. Norbert That question brings us to: Get the Heck Out of the Building in Founder’s

Re: [Pharo-dev] Amber-Pharo based coding dojo in a coworking space

2014-04-29 Thread Sebastian Sastre
On Apr 29, 2014, at 10:03 AM, kilon alios kilon.al...@gmail.com wrote: is this not the cases if you cannot beat them join them ? Do you seriously believe Amber or Pharo can compete AngularJS , correct me if I am wrong, when behind this framework is Google itself ? Against is a no-chance

[Pharo-dev] Amber-Pharo based coding dojo in a coworking space

2014-04-28 Thread Sebastian Sastre
Hi guys, I thought you might like to hear that after presenting a case on Smalltalk using these slides: http://dinos.flowingconcept.com to an for an heterogeneous audience ~(10% devel 10% creatives a couple of angel investors and most people with administration profile) in a coworking space.

Re: [Pharo-dev] Amber-Pharo based coding dojo in a coworking space

2014-04-28 Thread Nicolas Petton
Awesome! It's really cool to see you pushing like this! Keep going! Cheers, Nico Sebastian Sastre writes: Hi guys, I thought you might like to hear that after presenting a case on Smalltalk using these slides: http://dinos.flowingconcept.com to an for an heterogeneous audience ~(10%

Re: [Pharo-dev] Amber-Pharo based coding dojo in a coworking space

2014-04-28 Thread Ben Coman
Sebastian Sastre wrote: Hi guys, I thought you might like to hear that after presenting a case on Smalltalk using these slides: http://dinos.flowingconcept.com to an for an heterogeneous audience ~(10% devel 10% creatives a couple of angel investors and most people

Re: [Pharo-dev] Amber-Pharo based coding dojo in a coworking space

2014-04-28 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
Great to hear of small successes in reception of Pharo in the broader community. Some ideas... 1. The most kick ass thing I can think of would go something like this... a. Set up two computers nominally customer (or webserver) and support team. Start the same image on each. b. On