Re: [Pharo-dev] Cloud Hosting why/when?

2013-06-25 Thread Sabine Knöfel
There are a lot of discussions/opinions about that in germany, e.g. http://www.searchdatacenter.de/sonderbeitrag/Bieten-Cloud-Dienste-aus-Deutschland-mehr-Rechtssicherheit-und-Datenschutz (sorry, it is in german) Sabine On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 6:19 PM, James Foster smallt...@jgfoster.net wrote:

Re: [Pharo-dev] Cloud Hosting why/when

2013-06-25 Thread Stephan Eggermont
Thank you Steven, Good to get some ideas on where and when to use or not cloud services. James Foster asked: Do Amazon's data centers outside the US qualify for EU usage? According to the discussions (I'm not a lawyer), the FISA Amendments Acts and the Patriot Act conflict with EU legislation

Re: [Pharo-dev] Cloud Hosting why/when?

2013-06-24 Thread Stephan Eggermont
Another issue is, at least in the EU, the Data Protection Directive. AFAIK no cloud provider from the US or with US ownership can currently comply with that. Stephan

Re: [Pharo-dev] Cloud Hosting why/when?

2013-06-24 Thread Steven Baker
I've had quite a lot of experience helping teams who use both cloud-based and physical-server hosting. The promise of the cloud is that you can start/stop servers to meet dynamic demand. In the simple case, run ten servers during the day in your timezone, and only one at night to keep the

Re: [Pharo-dev] Cloud Hosting why/when?

2013-06-24 Thread Sabine Knöfel
Amazon has a datacenter in ireland. Sabine Am 24.06.2013 16:36 schrieb Stephan Eggermont step...@stack.nl: Another issue is, at least in the EU, the Data Protection Directive. AFAIK no cloud provider from the US or with US ownership can currently comply with that. Stephan

Re: [Pharo-dev] Cloud Hosting why/when?

2013-06-24 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
Hi Steven, Thanks for the insights, very interesting. It is good to know that people with your profile are on this mailing list. What is your take on persistency and virtual hardware ? The performance difference between say Postgresql running on real hardware vs on ec2+ebs is challenging to

Re: [Pharo-dev] Cloud Hosting why/when?

2013-06-24 Thread James Foster
Do Amazon's data centers outside the US qualify for EU usage? On Jun 24, 2013, at 7:36 AM, Stephan Eggermont step...@stack.nl wrote: Another issue is, at least in the EU, the Data Protection Directive. AFAIK no cloud provider from the US or with US ownership can currently comply with that.