Re: [Pharo-dev] process to collaborate on cleaning morphic

2014-01-30 Thread btc
I was going to say... As an alternative to nibbling at the edges of Morphic, now that we have PharoKernel3.0-FromTopShrink, which presumably unloads Morphic, I wonder what is involved in loading Juan's SimpleMorphic [1] [2] ...but actually it looks like SimpleMorphic was already integrated

Re: [Pharo-dev] process to collaborate on cleaning morphic

2014-01-30 Thread Marcus Denker
On 30 Jan 2014, at 15:53, b...@openinworld.com wrote: I was going to say... As an alternative to nibbling at the edges of Morphic, now that we have PharoKernel3.0-FromTopShrink, which presumably unloads Morphic, I wonder what is involved in loading Juan's SimpleMorphic [1] [2] ...but

Re: [Pharo-dev] process to collaborate on cleaning morphic

2014-01-30 Thread Alexandre Bergel
Jeff, just wondering: would it make sense to have all the events processes in a new host window? For most of the thing we are doing with visualization, having an external host window will not be a problem, and as far as I can see, this may solve many problem related to io/events/... Alexandre

Re: [Pharo-dev] process to collaborate on cleaning morphic

2014-01-30 Thread Alexandre Bergel
I'd love to be able to do something like this: aMorph resizeToBounds: (100 @ 100 extent: 200 @ 200) inSeconds: 2. Speaking of which, it would be nice if orientation could be included into the equation. Roassal2 will exactly feature this. E.g., -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | e v | v := RTView

Re: [Pharo-dev] process to collaborate on cleaning morphic

2014-01-30 Thread Sean P. DeNigris
Pharo4Stef wrote Because we should really learn about morph internals. Yes, it's more than cleaning. There has been so much stuff tacked on to the basic beautiful idea of Morphic that it's hard to tell what it currently does and what it needs to do. That's why as a first step, I'm learning

Re: [Pharo-dev] process to collaborate on cleaning morphic

2014-01-29 Thread Hilaire Fernandes
Le 28/01/2014 18:41, Pharo4Stef a écrit : this is years since I clean Morphic (may be I’m that good at it) but this is important to go step by step. So I would really like to get a list of simple actions. Do you have an idea? What about a brutal scheme, independent of all code quality

Re: [Pharo-dev] process to collaborate on cleaning morphic

2014-01-29 Thread Pavel Krivanek
2014-01-29 Hilaire Fernandes hilaire.fernan...@gmail.com Le 28/01/2014 18:41, Pharo4Stef a écrit : this is years since I clean Morphic (may be I'm that good at it) but this is important to go step by step. So I would really like to get a list of simple actions. Do you have an idea?

Re: [Pharo-dev] process to collaborate on cleaning morphic

2014-01-29 Thread p...@highoctane.be
Know what would be making it really useful? A nice dark theming feature. Yeah, that's not Morphic-Core, but currently, this aspect makes the whole thing feel stuck in the 90's. Esteban, did you had any luck with that? Phil On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Pavel Krivanek

Re: [Pharo-dev] process to collaborate on cleaning morphic

2014-01-29 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
On 29 Jan 2014, at 15:50, p...@highoctane.be wrote: Know what would be making it really useful? A nice dark theming feature. Yeah, that's not Morphic-Core, but currently, this aspect makes the whole thing feel stuck in the 90's. Esteban, did you had any luck with that? not yet :(

Re: [Pharo-dev] process to collaborate on cleaning morphic

2014-01-29 Thread p...@highoctane.be
Yeah, time. Not enough not enough not enough. Who is going to be at #FOSDEM on Saturday? Phil On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.comwrote: On 29 Jan 2014, at 15:50, p...@highoctane.be wrote: Know what would be making it really useful? A nice dark

Re: [Pharo-dev] process to collaborate on cleaning morphic

2014-01-29 Thread Marcus Denker
On 29 Jan 2014, at 16:01, p...@highoctane.be wrote: Yeah, time. Not enough not enough not enough. Who is going to be at #FOSDEM on Saturday? me, but due to a mixup with the date I have to take the train back 16:15…. Marcus

Re: [Pharo-dev] process to collaborate on cleaning morphic

2014-01-29 Thread J.F. Rick
On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Pavel Krivanek pavel.kriva...@gmail.comwrote: I would like to continue in the direction started with the Morphic-Core. It's a subset of Morphic that is able to be loaded into a headless image, initialize itself and show world with one basic responsive morph.

Re: [Pharo-dev] process to collaborate on cleaning morphic

2014-01-29 Thread Pharo4Stef
We will get there :) Stef On 29 Jan 2014, at 15:36, Pavel Krivanek pavel.kriva...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-01-29 Hilaire Fernandes hilaire.fernan...@gmail.com Le 28/01/2014 18:41, Pharo4Stef a écrit : this is years since I clean Morphic (may be I’m that good at it) but this is

Re: [Pharo-dev] process to collaborate on cleaning morphic

2014-01-29 Thread Pharo4Stef
w What about a brutal scheme, independent of all code quality considerations: - dedicate a Pharo release process *only* to Morphic cleaning so people will know it gona be brutal This is not that easy. Because we should really learn about morph internals. And this what we were planning to

Re: [Pharo-dev] process to collaborate on cleaning morphic

2014-01-29 Thread Pharo4Stef
On 29 Jan 2014, at 16:37, J.F. Rick s...@je77.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Pavel Krivanek pavel.kriva...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to continue in the direction started with the Morphic-Core. It's a subset of Morphic that is able to be loaded into a headless image,

Re: [Pharo-dev] process to collaborate on cleaning morphic

2014-01-28 Thread Pharo4Stef
Sean this is years since I clean Morphic (may be I’m that good at it) but this is important to go step by step. So I would really like to get a list of simple actions. Do you have an idea? For example I have remove extract update conditional leaves into method, remove

Re: [Pharo-dev] process to collaborate on cleaning morphic

2014-01-26 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi, I would be interested in seeing what kind of tools could help us. So, let's start by making explicit the kinds of things we are looking for and I can try to build some tools for it. Doru On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 10:30 PM, Pharo4Stef pharo4s...@free.fr wrote: Sean I’m trying to

Re: [Pharo-dev] process to collaborate on cleaning morphic

2014-01-26 Thread J.F. Rick
I've spent a considerable amount of time fighting with Morphic trying to get TouchUI and Athens rendering working. Based on that, my feeling is that getting Athens thoroughly integrated into Morphic is key. The way Morphic used to work is that a morph would signal itself as changed, marking its

Re: [Pharo-dev] process to collaborate on cleaning morphic

2014-01-26 Thread Sean P. DeNigris
Pharo4Stef wrote I’m trying to understand how we could work together to share forces on cleaning morphic. Yes, this will be my focus for 4.0 and I've been thinking a lot about it. I've spent the last few weeks studying Cuis, Self, and the L and KS stuff from vpri. These are some of the

[Pharo-dev] process to collaborate on cleaning morphic

2014-01-25 Thread Pharo4Stef
Sean I’m trying to understand how we could work together to share forces on cleaning morphic. Now it is not easy because some of the changes are crosscutting many packages. If somebody has an idea. Stef