roberto.mine...@usi.ch wrote
Thanks! I was not aware of a Fuel-dev mailing list.
There is also pharo-us...@lists.pharo.org where user questions like this are
better asked so that they do not get missed or overwhelm the developer list.
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Camillo Bruni-3 wrote
because it is the final state, the file is deleted.
it emerged out of a longer discussion with sean, mariano and me I think
Yes, we discussed thoroughly in the ml [1] (you were a part, but it was a
while back). The objection, which I came to agree with, was that you're not
Stephan Eggermont wrote
It has a nice demo video. It looks like something that could help
reduce the current menu complexity.
Pretty cool :) Personally, I avoid the mouse whenever possible, but it would
be cool to have as an additional feature.
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Carla F. Griggio wrote
Actually when I use Pharo I use the mouse quite a lot
Actually, me too. But only because I don't know any good ways to do what I
want with the keyboard :/
Carla F. Griggio wrote
I have the feeling that I'm not the only one using a lot the mouse, and
interactions like
stephane ducasse wrote
Igor I will use weak (may be weak should be default and we should propose
strong as an option)
but I do not understand since
Yes!!! From
http://forum.world.st/Unsubscribing-for-Announcements-tp3220751p4083086.html
:
So it sounds like weak is the vast majority, so
Sean P. DeNigris wrote
Yes!!! From
http://forum.world.st/Unsubscribing-for-Announcements-tp3220751p4083086.html
:
But IIRC ephemerons are needed for subscribing blocks that way...
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Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote
Great news ! Thanks for the effort, Janko.
+1. These are all exciting and valuable projects! I can't wait to see (and
play with) the results :)
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stephane ducasse wrote
Igor I will use weak (may be weak should be default and we should propose
strong as an option)
Yes!!! From
http://forum.world.st/Unsubscribing-for-Announcements-tp3220751p4083086.html
:
Issue 10787: Make Announcements Weak By Default
https
Clément Bera-4 wrote
If you mean when the window is opened, how to resize the subpanels, you
need to add splitters between the panels
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Goubier Thierry wrote
So, what do we do ?
Maybe create an issue with later milestone pointing to this discussion?
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I got really inspired reading the extreme validation section of A Mentoring
Course on Smalltalk, Andres Valloud's OOP bible (see
seandenigris.com/blog/?p=573), and enhanced a bit my port of
ValidationRevisited.
I made a short screencast of a little UI monitoring the health of a domain
object in
https://vimeo.com/67752734
Very short and simple video describing my experience while implementing
replacing a text morph's cursor with a block cursor to signify vim normal
mode. Shows how I was able to accomplish something in a few minutes which
seemed impossible with TextEditor and friends.
plantec wrote
something like that ? :)
Now you're just showing off ;)
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Henrik Sperre Johansen wrote
Even Smalltalkers are impressed once in a while that the distance from
idea to implementation can be less than an hour :)
Yes, when it takes longer for someone to write a feature request than it
does for you to implement it, I notice :)
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Mariano Martinez Peck wrote
only a few notice the work underneath :)
I've been so grateful for and empowered by the new infrastructure I was
moved to share a bit, even if it only interests a few of us :)
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https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10220/Debugger-generated-accessors-send-shouldBeImplemented
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Norbert Hartl wrote
method := (AbstractSound#initialize) parseTree.
method body addNode: (RBParser parseExpression: 'envelopes := nil').
method formattedCode
...
Does not work? What do you mean by saying same result?
It did work (one year later, lol)! My last statement was mistakenly body
Damien Cassou wrote
which repository are you comparing against? You must always compare
against the Pharo30 repository (not Pharo30Inbox)
Hmm... I can't reproduce either. Maybe that was the problem - long day
yesterday :)
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I would like to introduce a new implementation of tabs with the following
features (for now):
Wow, amazing work. This better not be what you were doing on vacation!!
Holidays are for rest ;)
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This is a nasty one. It may lead to lost code, without warning or
notification. Applies to latest 2.0 and 3.0:
1. In Nautilus, in any class outside Announcements-Core, add protocol
'*announcements-core-subcategory'
2. Open MCWrokingCopyBrowser. You will see that Announcements-Core is dirty
3.
Tired of writing the same UI boilerplate over and over? I mean, basically an
object has fields, which have certain properties relevant to the UI. If we
could just capture that info once in the right place, a basic UI should
almost fall out on its own. Magritte could be the answers to our lazy
For Esteban ;) Much nicer (but not pretty yet) Date handling...
http://forum.world.st/file/n4692999/Screen_Shot_2013-06-12_at_9.08.47_AM.png
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Will e.g. Gofer scripts seemlessly access sqs once it is reduced to a file
server? The end is approaching... should we migrate now?
http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/Metacello/MetacelloRepository/main ?
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http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/Metacello/MetacelloRepository/main
Looking at http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/Archive, it seems maybe project
names are local to owner - is that right? Then maybe simplify to
http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/Metacello/Repository/main
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Stéphane Ducasse wrote
what about
- migrating magritte to smalltalkhub?
From the Magritte list:
the official repository for Magritte is
http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Magritte. Current stable version is
Magritte3. Official mailing list is [hidden email]
Sean P. DeNigris wrote
the official repository for Magritte is
http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Magritte. Current stable version is
Magritte3. Official mailing list is [hidden email]
(https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki).
I think the Config I had was loading from Lukas' repo
Camillo Bruni-3 wrote
I start to sound like a salesman for vaporware ;) but I think eventually
we
should replace Magritte with something more explicit directly on Slots +
Layouts.
+100. I have the same dream. And... I promised myself I would not write one
single more nearly-identical CRUD
Bump. Will someone please review this? It is a nasty bug and should be fixed
asap. Fixes in inbox for both 2.0 and 3.0:
https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10887/Compound-Extension-Methods-Unpackaged
https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10888/Backport-2-0-Compound-Extension-Methods-Unpackaged
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Why do we get [...] when Opal is not active? Why can't we keep the old
behavior?
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Sean
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This bug is a major PITA. Please review and integrate the fixes!!!
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Nicolas Petton wrote
Thanks sven, I'll try it later today.
On May 21, 2013, at 1:01 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe lt;
sven@
gt; wrote:
The problem you reported can easily be fixed by loading the latest
version of Zinc-Seaaside (the one in the StHub image is very old). Now,
it still does not
Sean P. DeNigris wrote
WAKom startOn: 8080.
Update: after installing Seaside-Adaptors-Comanche-lr.70, I get an undefined
HttpService...
If I go back to Zinc, after creating a user, when I try to log in I get
Error: Not enough space for external objects, set a larger size at
startup
Sean P. DeNigris wrote
when I try to log in I get Error: Not enough space for external objects,
set a larger size at startup!
Update2: I bumped my RAM to 4GB with the same error.
System details:
* Debian 6.0.7
* Parallels 8
* get.pharo.org/vm from today
* Last successful image artifact from
Why is #translated sent to all the window menu strings, but not the world
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Why does the World Menu cache it's menu builder? Is building a menu that
labor intensive?
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Marcus Denker-4 wrote
It uses Pragmas and therefore has to iterate over all methods to be build.
I disabled the caching and it seems pretty fast... maybe on an old machine
you would notice? Was the optimization done in reaction to a problem or
preemptively?
Also, does anyone need
Damien Cassou wrote
do you use the image built by Jenkins or your own?
Jenkins, of course... I let the butler do it because I'm too lazy to build
;)
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Fix in inbox:
SLICE-Issue-10910-Window-Menu-Registration-like-World-Menu-SeanDeNigris.1
Issue 10910: Window Menu Registration (like World Menu)
* Use annotation windowMenu
* Re-implement existing menu options with
Stéphane Ducasse wrote
Now does anybody implemented in Pharo the SUnit extension?
From http://forum.world.st/ANN-ValidationRevisited-alpha-td4690680.html :
Gofer it
smalltalkhubUser: 'SeanDeNigris' project: 'aMentoringCourseOnSmalltalk';
package: 'ValidationRevisited';
load.
But
Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote
The problem you reported can easily be fixed by loading the latest
version of Zinc-Seaaside (the one in the StHub image is very old)
...
I don't maintain the build, but all these problems where fixed some time
ago.
The image I downloaded from Jenkins has loaded
Stéphane Ducasse wrote
Are you interested to get your name with the one of Ze fabulous crazy
french researcher?
What a fame, isnt?
Ha ha, I can see the paparazzi lining up now ;) I'd be happy to help. I'm
exploring and experimenting with validation, so my ideas are still
developing rapidly.
Sean P. DeNigris wrote
https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10910/Window-Menu-Registration-like-World-Menu
New fix in inbox:
SLICE-Issue-10910-Window-Menu-Registration-like-World-Menu-SeanDeNigris.3
This version:
* FallbackMenu: reset the builder after debugging, or the fallback menu does
Marcus Denker-4 wrote
Keep in mind that we can integrate important fixes in 2.0…. someone just
needs to take initiative.
Thanks for the reminder! I'm clear about that after all the work we did
together getting 2.0 issues backported to 1.4 :) And... my understanding is
that we have a policy to
Guillermo Polito wrote
VMMaker loads in Pharo2.0 and uses (mostly) Filesystem
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Stéphane Ducasse wrote
I like your browser showing issue.
What does it show?
Because I'm always lost with figbuz :)
Yes, I'm starting to get used to fogbugz, but I've found the interface to be
counter-intuitive :/ Unfortunately the issue browser is not connected to
fogbugz.
Stéphane Ducasse wrote
can you then send me the issues that I should look at :)
I'm not sure what you're asking. If you load the config from the OP (works
in 2.0), you will see the issue classes...
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abergel wrote
I have tried to enter a bug issue on https://pharo.fogbugz.com but I could
not. In 2 minutes I could not figure out how to create a login and how to
see the list of existing bugs. So maybe this one has already been
reported.
You can register at http://bugs.pharo.org/issues .
Mark Bestley-2 wrote
'Could not load RPackage-Tests-SeanDeNigris.110.mcz: ZnHttpUnsuccessful:
404 Not Found'
...
How do I get the later version?
I've uploaded it. Please try again.
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11060 Introduce WorldMorph as subclass of PasteUpMorph
https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/11060
Cool!!! I wonder why it was not done like that to begin with...
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I love reading documentation :)
Yes, and the NeoCSV doc is really good :) It felt like having an expert
mentor me...
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Camillo Bruni-3 wrote
http://ci.inria.fr/pharo is currently down...
Seems to be up now...
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Marcus Denker-4 wrote
The issues tagged Pharo3 are not all real showstoppers, we should
check each and remove the release tag from the ones that are not
important.
Now that we are on a calendar release, does it make sense to do it this
early in the year? In my experience, anything not tagged
I was looking over the code for StartupLoader and friends and it seems to
take all the scripts it finds from the two preferences folders and the image
folder.
Here's my use case: at ESUG, I won't have my laptop because I'll be coming
from backpacking, so I'll be running images probably off a USB
Stéphane Ducasse wrote
I started to be fed up about protocol inconsistencies
Amen
Stéphane Ducasse wrote
So I will propose a set of rules (and a tool - I'm working on it) to
automatically categorize methods.
...
Now we discussed today with esteban for initialize* we will use
Goubier Thierry wrote
Le 06/09/2013 14:13, Marcus Denker a écrit :
So you want more change in 2.0? You can have that, but you need to
accept instability. There is no way to have both more changes and more
stability.
I'm OK for that. 3.0 is just plainly too unstable, and this is the way
Stephan Eggermont wrote
Could we have a separate announcer for this?
Are you talking about a class-side announcer or per-job? If the latter, I
seem to remember it being important to be able to register for the
announcements from an outer scope which may not have access tho the job
object.
Camillo Bruni-3 wrote
What is the idea behind the #displayBlock: in DropListModel?
The original drop list required manual building of DropListItems, which chop
the original domain objects down to maps of label strings, to action blocks.
There seem to be two general use cases for drop down
Clément Bera-4 wrote
the documentation would be on the web, available to anyone,
and each class / each package inside Pharo has a link towards its online
documentation.
This way the image size does not grow because of massive documentation.
I agree that it would be nice for the docs to be on
btc wrote
free to sue
Ha ha, that's what we're afraid of ;)
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kilon wrote
And the fact that Morphic is written in smalltalk and not just another C
library, is hard to beat for customization
When one wants to do something non-standard, Morphic is insanely powerful.
The only issue I have is cleaning and refactoring. I think the underlying
idea is brilliant.
Thank you for taking care of this, Marcus!
While we're on the subject, there have been some issues which were not
resolved that were closed due to e.g. inactivity. I totally understand the
need to keep the bug tracker to a manageable size, but I feel that something
is lost when we do this. For
Marcus Denker-4 wrote
The problem is that if we have over 500 entries, people just give up.
They say what use is it to fix 1, there are just too many.
Okay, so I think a Resolved status like Stale would be a good
compromise. Then we can close the issue, but it will be tagged as to the
reason,
We have FileDialogWindow, which is a cool little class which implements all
the cool things you may want to do when selecting a file, for example:
- answer either a directory, file, file entry, etc.
- set an initial directory
- set the sorting block
Life is good.
rant
Then, we take the entire
Camillo Bruni-3 wrote
Just image that the UIManager should also work on the CommandLine
After browsing UICommandLineManager#chooseFrom:lines:title:, I see where
we are headed - mimicking the headful interactions via stdin/out. Very cool!
Camillo Bruni-3 wrote
Returning any window on UIManager
Goubier Thierry wrote
answer := UIManager default
chooseFileReference: 'Select a file'
path: aFileReference
pattern: '*.png'
name: nil
I can't tell if that captures the full options of fileDialogWindow without a
bit more investigation, but that would be a great improvement
http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Magritte/Magritte3
NIL DOES NOT UNDERSTAND #DATA
MessageNotUnderstood signal
BlockClosure value:
TagBrush appendBlock:
BlockClosure appendToBrush:
TagBrush append:
TagBrush with:
ShProjectHeaderWidget renderTitleOn:
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Error: Could not save Magritte-Pharo-Model-SeanDeNigris.28.mcz:
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btc wrote
a full bug report
https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/11766/MNU-SpecLayout-hasSlots
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Clément Bera-4 wrote
Is the mail display on the website... on purpose ?
Ha ha, I sent out the same response the first time we set that page up...
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philippeback wrote
It is too complex for me to get things loaded in 3.0 and be delivering
what
we need to, so I am back to 2.0 now.
I think that's the right decision even if you could get it loaded. I
wouldn't deploy on a beta version of Pharo (no matter how tempting all the
cool new features
We (Cami, Ben, and I) added some command line options to control preference
loading, which seem useful e.g. for integrators and in my original use case
of running an image off a USB stick on a foreign computer and not wanting to
pick up those preferences
There are two new flags:
1.
in Pharo 2.0?
Phil
On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 7:48 PM, Sean P. DeNigris [hidden email] wrote:
We (Cami, Ben, and I) added some command line options to control preference
loading, which seem useful e.g. for integrators and in my original use case
of running an image off a USB stick on a foreign computer
From the halos, I clicked Explore Morph and got a tree inspector. Now I
want to open a separate inspector on one of the items in the tree. This used
to be possible in the old explorer by Cmd-I with an item selected, but that
doesn't seem to work and there doesn't seem to be a context menu. Is this
In 30456, I'm in the process of porting the Tiling Window Manager. I'm
experiencing this confusing error...
TWMDockingBarMorph DNU @
In DockingBarMorphupdatePosition there is the following code:
self isAdheringToLeft
ifTrue: [| usedHeight usedWidth |
usedHeight := self
Marcus Denker-4 wrote
I will
- commit an update where the code moves the temps to the method
- then fix the compiler next week
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philippeback wrote
Are those changes going to find their way in Pharo 2.0?
If you need them, you can try to load the Backport-Pharo-Issue-11571-to-20
package from http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/PharoSpd.
Two caveats:
1. there is a post-load doit
2. I haven't tested the changes in 2.0
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vonbecmann wrote
Could someone give permission to submit a slice, please?
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Startup Preferences are great, but I felt limited by the evaluate text
files approach, so I thought, what's the minimum amount of code necessary
to bootstrap into real smalltalk? I came up with a really simple .st
preference file that just loads a Metacello config with all my preferences.
One cool
Stéphane Ducasse wrote
nicolas should push a change to Smalltalkhub so that people can publish
freely in inbox
Not that this is nico's responsibility, sthub is a wonderful gift for the
community :) And...
+100. This is really important. It is not the people who ask for access that
bothers me,
When I tried to open my Spec UI (previously working in latest 2.0) in 3.0, I
got ByteSymbol DNU specWidget:. What changed and how do I port? And if it's
an intended change, we should have at least documentation for
non-backward-compatible kernel changes...
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Without further information, I can not do much more
I sent #openDialogWithSpec, and the offending symbol is #DialogWindowSpec
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Stéphane Ducasse wrote
Well said!
Indeed :)
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abergel wrote
How can I create a login on https://pharo.fogbugz.com ?
I have created a login on bugs.pharo.org. I am not sure how does this
differ from the fogbugz...
The login you created should work for fogbugz. Now that we have a permalink
to the registration page, I've added it to the
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Benjamin Van Ryseghem-2 wrote
Without further information, I can not do much more
I sent #openDialogWithSpec, and the offending symbol is #DialogWindowSpec
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Thanks
Original message
From: Benjamin Van Ryseghem-2 [via Smalltalk]
ml-node+s1294792n4715238...@n4.nabble.com
Date: 10/17/2013 6:02 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com
Subject: Re: Spec error
Fixed: https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?11916
philippeback wrote
Would be great to have a logout, in order to give images to other people
without leaving credentials around.
Done, added to world menu under the individual repo login options
The way the logins work is that a file named .mcconfig is expected in the
general preferences folder
Sean P. DeNigris wrote
what's the minimum amount of code necessary to bootstrap into real
smalltalk?
I simplified even further, and use #startUp: to handle the actual
preferences. The only thing the startup.st actually does is load the code
via Metacello on the first run:
StartupLoader default
Marcus Denker-4 wrote
I will
- commit an update where the code moves the temps to the method
- then fix the compiler next week
Are there issues for these? I want to track the status because the TWM port
to 3.0 is on hold until it's fixed...
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Out of curiosity, what was the motivation behind Issue 10924: Simplifying
ensure* and create protocol?
For me #ensureCreateDirectory is less intention revealing than
#ensureDirectory because the ensure means create only if necessary, not
definitely create a directory. What am I missing? Thanks.
What happened to it and why? I'm porting TWM to 3.0 and didn't find any
mention of removal on the dev or issue mailing list... Thanks.
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Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote
This is really cool, is that in the image already ?
It's just something I use personally in my images (see DeNigrisPreferences
on sthub), but if there's interest I will extract it...
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Stéphane Ducasse wrote
Issue 12066: Add Image support in Spec
https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/12066/Add-Image-support
Thanks Benjamin van Ryseghem and Sergi Reyner
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http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pharo/Pharo30/main/Spec-Examples-StephaneDucasse.51.diff
What's the latest Xcode version successfully used to compile the Pharo VM? I
don't want to upgrade past the maintainers...
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Tudor Girba-2 wrote
Pharo is Pharo. And we should promote it like that.
It is inherently confusing because originally Smalltalk meant a
language/environment that's continually reinvented every 4 years based on
the knowledge gained by the last iteration. Then, Smalltalk-80 was frozen
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philippeback wrote
doing:
((Text withAll: 'foo') , (Text string: 'some link' attribute: (TextURL new
url:'http://philippeback.eu')) , (Text withAll: 'bar')) asMorph
openInWorld.
gives me a nice purple 'some link' bit but clicking on it fails with
MessageNotUnderstood:
After reading the PetitParser chapter, I'm not clear when one would subclass
PPCompositeParser vs. using PPExpressionParser. What are the tradeoffs / use
cases? Also, can the book be improved or is that the final version? Thanks.
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Yes, no compiling during holidays! We don't want you burning out. In fact the
no work of any kind... unless it's releasing Mars ;) but still better after
holiday...
Will you let me know after you've successfully compiled with latest Xcode so I
can upgrade. Thanks.
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Thanks! I'm clear on how to use them, just not on why to choose one over the
other...
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Subject: Re: Deep Into Pharo: PPExpressionParser
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Sean P. DeNigris [hidden email] wrote:
Thanks! I'm clear on how to use them, just not on why to choose one over the
other..
I would say you can instantiate a PPExpressionParser
I love this repeated experience I've been having... I find a bug in 2.0,
download latest 3.0 and find that it's already fixed (or replaced by an
entirely new evolution... [cough] Opal... ha ha).
Thank you to everyone who has contributed to the system - whether big or
small enhancements, it all
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