Re: [Pharo-dev] recovering from a deep disc crash….
On Oct 17, 2013, at 11:52 PM, Alexandre Bergel alexandre.ber...@me.com wrote: Time machine is wonderful for this… But i was not backuping applications so I had to reinstall them. :) Alexandre On Oct 17, 2013, at 6:10 PM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: so backup your machine… because mine was still working at 8h this morning and 8h40 dropped dead -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
Re: [Pharo-dev] recovering from a deep disc crash….
On Oct 18, 2013, at 11:18 AM, Goubier Thierry thierry.goub...@cea.fr wrote: I remember trying to recover mail folders by reading the blocks on disk one by one with a binary editor... Ended learning far too much about the internal layout of an ext2 filesystem. But dead harddrive is nice in one way: you don't loose time trying to recover stuff, you know it's dead :( Indeed :) Stef Thierry Le 17/10/2013 23:10, Stéphane Ducasse a écrit : so backup your machine… because mine was still working at 8h this morning and 8h40 dropped dead -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95
Re: [Pharo-dev] recovering from a deep disc crash???.
On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 01:04:25PM +0200, Torsten Bergmann wrote: Hardware that runs without problems must be from the good old days. If Nico is right then I guess Pharo is already running on an Ural-1? Where can I download the VM? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ural_(computer) Thanks for this link. I had never heard of a Ural-1, and I love reading about these early pioneers :-) Dave
Re: [Pharo-dev] recovering from a deep disc crash….
I learned my lesson once, back in my University days, I was doing a law essay in English (Greek is my mother tongue so definitely not easy) , I was working for hours , back then microsoft word had no auto save, forgot to save, accidentally close the window , bye bye work. That was 1999-2000. Suffice to say that I was typing like insane few hours before submitting my work. It was not just that I would fail my course (just a single subject of it) if I did not submit but I would get only 50% grade cause English unis dont allows you to get more if you redo an essay, exam whatever. So really bad experience. From there on , all is online baby. Me and the Internet are closest friends. Time machine is a recent friend, I am already using DropBox for my law documents (microsoft word), MediaFire for my big files , soundclick for the music I compose and souncloud. Code has been before smalltalk that I was doing python only github and now for pharo smalltalkhub. So I rarely keep things locally, of course with time machine I have covered that corner too. On Friday, 18 October 2013, 8:34, Norbert Hartl norb...@hartl.name wrote: Am 17.10.2013 um 23:10 schrieb Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr: so backup your machine… because mine was still working at 8h this morning and 8h40 dropped dead Really strange to see that people _know_ things can break but they wonder if their own stuff breaks _all of a sudden_. :) For Mac users there are two really good options. One is using timemachine and the other is using Arq[1] that makes timemachine like backups on amazon S3. Works like a charm from wherever you are. For both options you need to spend money. But it is nothing compared to the pain of loosing all your data. Really! If you don't want to spend money or don't have a mac you can still make backups to another computer using rsync. You'll find plenty of articles if you search the net for rsync and backup. Norbert [1] http://www.haystacksoftware.com/arq/ [2] http://rsync.samba.org/
Re: [Pharo-dev] recovering from a deep disc crash….
I remember trying to recover mail folders by reading the blocks on disk one by one with a binary editor... Ended learning far too much about the internal layout of an ext2 filesystem. But dead harddrive is nice in one way: you don't loose time trying to recover stuff, you know it's dead :( Thierry Le 17/10/2013 23:10, Stéphane Ducasse a écrit : so backup your machine… because mine was still working at 8h this morning and 8h40 dropped dead -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95
Re: [Pharo-dev] recovering from a deep disc crash….
thankfully, i never had problems with hardware: it serves me well. But still didn't prevented from losing precious data: the humans who break into my apartment and stole the machine, with all data it has :( On 18 October 2013 11:18, Goubier Thierry thierry.goub...@cea.fr wrote: I remember trying to recover mail folders by reading the blocks on disk one by one with a binary editor... Ended learning far too much about the internal layout of an ext2 filesystem. But dead harddrive is nice in one way: you don't loose time trying to recover stuff, you know it's dead :( Thierry Le 17/10/2013 23:10, Stéphane Ducasse a écrit : so backup your machine… because mine was still working at 8h this morning and 8h40 dropped dead -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.
Re: [Pharo-dev] recovering from a deep disc crash….
Igor, your hardware never failed? It must be some special brand crafted in former soviet union ;) 2013/10/18 Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com thankfully, i never had problems with hardware: it serves me well. But still didn't prevented from losing precious data: the humans who break into my apartment and stole the machine, with all data it has :( On 18 October 2013 11:18, Goubier Thierry thierry.goub...@cea.fr wrote: I remember trying to recover mail folders by reading the blocks on disk one by one with a binary editor... Ended learning far too much about the internal layout of an ext2 filesystem. But dead harddrive is nice in one way: you don't loose time trying to recover stuff, you know it's dead :( Thierry Le 17/10/2013 23:10, Stéphane Ducasse a écrit : so backup your machine… because mine was still working at 8h this morning and 8h40 dropped dead -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.
Re: [Pharo-dev] recovering from a deep disc crash….
On 18 October 2013 12:52, Nicolas Cellier nicolas.cellier.aka.n...@gmail.com wrote: Igor, your hardware never failed? It must be some special brand crafted in former soviet union ;) well, sure i had problems with it, but not at cost of total data loss. couple times its keyboard, mouse, once it was monitor and once is motherboard, but never the hard drive :) 2013/10/18 Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com thankfully, i never had problems with hardware: it serves me well. But still didn't prevented from losing precious data: the humans who break into my apartment and stole the machine, with all data it has :( On 18 October 2013 11:18, Goubier Thierry thierry.goub...@cea.fr wrote: I remember trying to recover mail folders by reading the blocks on disk one by one with a binary editor... Ended learning far too much about the internal layout of an ext2 filesystem. But dead harddrive is nice in one way: you don't loose time trying to recover stuff, you know it's dead :( Thierry Le 17/10/2013 23:10, Stéphane Ducasse a écrit : so backup your machine… because mine was still working at 8h this morning and 8h40 dropped dead -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko. -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.
Re: [Pharo-dev] recovering from a deep disc crash….
beautiful link 2013/10/18 Torsten Bergmann asta...@gmx.de Hardware that runs without problems must be from the good old days. If Nico is right then I guess Pharo is already running on an Ural-1? Where can I download the VM? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ural_(computer) I try to imagine the size of the apartment and the way it was stolen... ;) Thats why Native Boost is so fast on newer machines, it was handcraftet on an old machine to speed it up... :) Bye T. Nico wrote: Igor, your hardware never failed? It must be some special brand crafted in former soviet union ;) 2013/10/18 Igor Stasenko siguctua at gmail.com thankfully, i never had problems with hardware: it serves me well. But still didn't prevented from losing precious data: the humans who break into my apartment and stole the machine, with all data it has :(
Re: [Pharo-dev] recovering from a deep disc crash….
Time machine is wonderful for this... Alexandre On Oct 17, 2013, at 6:10 PM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: so backup your machine… because mine was still working at 8h this morning and 8h40 dropped dead -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
