Re: [Pharo-project] Helping the noobs help out - i.e. fixing the debugger

2012-12-13 Thread Michael Roberts
Indeed we spent some time in Edinburgh looking at it :-) that was too long ago :-( The problem i see with the original debugger inherited from Squeak, in the Pharo context, is that it is very sensitive to a lot of the core code in the image. What this means is that the accelerated changes in Ph

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: Plan/discussion/communication around new object format

2012-05-30 Thread Michael Roberts
Hi Stef, I have skimmed the proposal in the included class comment. It is beyond my knowledge really to comment specifically. Looks great! :-) I picked up on the reference to 64k classes limit. Whilst at the moment I can't imagine a Pharo system needing that many classes, the VW system I am work

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 5445: Broken command-line arguments in 1.4

2012-04-07 Thread Michael Roberts
r 7, 2012, at 2:33 PM, Michael Roberts wrote: > > > Hi, i tested the fix in 1.4 and it seemed to work fine. > > > > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5445 > > > > > > thanks, > > Mike > > > > >

[Pharo-project] Issue 5445: Broken command-line arguments in 1.4

2012-04-07 Thread Michael Roberts
Hi, i tested the fix in 1.4 and it seemed to work fine. http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5445 thanks, Mike

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo by Example

2012-01-07 Thread Michael Roberts
sp module or C library? What about collections? > > > Thanks for your help. It really did help. > Gerry > > > > -Original Message- >> From: "Michael Roberts" >> To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr >> Date: 01/05/12 02:18 >&

Re: [Pharo-project] Process questions about configurationOf….

2012-01-07 Thread Michael Roberts
I like the idea. I wonder how you resolve dependencies & failures. Cheers, Mike On 7 Jan 2012, at 11:39, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > Hi guys > > What is the process we want? > What I would like is > >MetaRepoForPharo13Inbox were everybody can write >and a jenkins process that loads

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo by Example

2012-01-05 Thread Michael Roberts
On 5 Jan 2012, at 05:50, "Gerry Weaver" wrote: > Hi, > > Perhaps I should just take a shot at explaining what I'm having trouble > understanding. > > > My current take on the environment is that an image is basically a container > that holds everything in the application. Indeed. > In d

Re: [Pharo-project] IdentitySet but using #hash rather than #identityHash ?

2011-12-13 Thread Michael Roberts
Ok I see. Have you measured the collisions on a very big graph? What stats do you get? Cheers Mike On 13 Dec 2011, at 08:37, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 8:43 AM, Michael Roberts wrote: > Hi Mariano, when I read this thread I was a bit confused tha

Re: [Pharo-project] IdentitySet but using #hash rather than #identityHash ?

2011-12-12 Thread Michael Roberts
Hi Mariano, when I read this thread I was a bit confused that you wanted an IdentitySet that used #hash. From that statement it sounded like you just wanted a Set. This would allow any object to define its own hash and importantly what equality means with #=. So if you want to delegate that to the

Re: [Pharo-project] When will Fuel file format stabilize?

2011-10-09 Thread Michael Roberts
I wonder if it would be possible for you to come up with a separate format, whose purpose was only ever for this purpose. It would not need to be efficient in any respect, just something you could write out to file (say) during the process. It would be a shame to rely on the whole graph needing to

Re: [Pharo-project] About Dictionary >> #at:ifAbsentPut:

2011-10-04 Thread Michael Roberts
I find the thread a bit confused in the sense Dictionary *new* at: x ifAbsentPut: y does not make sense (is academic), because the new dictionary will never have x as a key. So why profile it and use that as reasoning?... whereas myDict at:x ifAbsentPut: y is more interesting. In my experienc

Re: [Pharo-project] Debugger bug fix 1

2011-09-14 Thread Michael Roberts
7 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > Hi guys > > I'm a bit busy (too much to follow carefully). > Just tell me what I should integrate and I will do it fast. > > Stef > > On Sep 8, 2011, at 2:37 PM, Michael Roberts wrote: > >> So I found the bug with the first assignm

[Pharo-project] Debugger bug fix 1

2011-09-08 Thread Michael Roberts
So I found the bug with the first assignment. It is caused by a difference between squeak and Pharo in SortedCollection. (on my phone so will be brief) In Pharo the debugger map collection gets sorted and asked for an index for a given pc. It is supposed to answer 1 because there is no match and

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: A new way to render the debugger

2011-09-07 Thread Michael Roberts
if you could select different rendering of that area that would be nice (e.g on context menu). i would add an option to display it in a table widget. it could allow simple filtering & sorting etc, assuming we had such a widget (essential really) . that would allow compact but powerful slicing of th

Re: [Pharo-project] Some bugs

2011-09-06 Thread Michael Roberts
is #abstractSourceMap >> >> There is a first step to obtain >> >> CompiledMethod>>rawSourceRangesAndMethodDo: >> >> This is the most important part. >> >> The rest is again a mapping from concretePC (instruction byte offset) >> >>

Re: [Pharo-project] ProfStef port

2011-09-06 Thread Michael Roberts
this is brilliant!... one tiny thing i noticed on page 22/24 if you print the method source, the editor highlight only covers the first line of the multi-line output. Perhaps it only ever expects single line highlights. cheers, Mike On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 9:27 PM, laurent laffont wrote: > Funny

Re: [Pharo-project] Plan for releases: after 1.4 I propose that we do a stabilization release

2011-08-27 Thread Michael Roberts
nice idea. Marcus mentioned this last night. One thing I would say, potentially 1.4 list below is quite a bit of work (i don't know)? so can we time box it? And then push on the bug fixes. cheers Mike On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:38 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > Hi guys > > I was thinking about o

Re: [Pharo-project] Some bugs

2011-08-27 Thread Michael Roberts
ok i'll take a look and try add some test cases to the analyser Mike On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > While working on a chapter on blocks I got the following problems > > > > foo > >| a| >a := 0. >^ {[a :=2] .[a]} > > > | res | > res := ZnC

Re: [Pharo-project] Some bugs

2011-08-26 Thread Michael Roberts
ers, Mike On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 9:00 AM, Michael Roberts wrote: > I will try it in my image, thanks! > > I got a little further with Andres. The thing about the loop example is > that the block is copying values outside its scope. You get get extra > bytecodes at the start of the me

Re: [Pharo-project] Some bugs

2011-08-26 Thread Michael Roberts
gt; an iterator and a sort of visitor on byteCode instructions. > >>>> So this is not really interesting. > >>>> > >>>> The more interesting part is #abstractSourceMap > >>>> There is a first step to obtain > CompiledMethod>>rawSourceRan

Re: [Pharo-project] Some bugs

2011-08-25 Thread Michael Roberts
http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/DebuggerInternals

Re: [Pharo-project] Some bugs

2011-08-25 Thread Michael Roberts
t; would be amazed to see it much different. > > It's now late, and my spare time is off, but you have clues to get > > more insights. I wish you good debugging, and come back to me if it > > ever goes in deeper complications. > > > > Cheers > > > > Nicolas >

Re: [Pharo-project] Some bugs

2011-08-24 Thread Michael Roberts
> > Ok I'm curious to know then. Here is a little trace from this example method: toDoOutsideTemp | temp collection | collection := OrderedCollection new. 1 to: 5 do: [ :index | temp := index. collection add: [ temp ] ] Trace is start,stop position of the highlight for each 'step over'. Whilst

Re: [Pharo-project] Some bugs

2011-08-24 Thread Michael Roberts
Nicolas thanks! super you have even a few minutes. Even though Squeak has the problem, it is subtly different. I will post my little scaffolding class maybe the end of this week which just helps to slowly step a debugger through. And do this in different images. What would be great, on a wiki pa

[Pharo-project] Little fix for #4697

2011-08-23 Thread Michael Roberts
In inbox: Name: Tools-MikeRoberts.658 Issue: 4697 -Fix to OrderedCollectionInspector that fails #fieldList on OrderedCollections that are not fully formed. I did a little fix for this bug, that prevents the debugger stepping into OrderedCollection new. I mention this to folks working on t

Re: [Pharo-project] Some bugs

2011-08-23 Thread Michael Roberts
I think for the debugger, we all live with the bugs. I mean, we (I) unfortunately made the situation worse with the introduction of the closures around 1.0/1.1 and it has never been fixed. It is hard to fix too, this stuff is not simple. I contacted a few people quietly maybe a year ago to see if

[Pharo-project] SqueakSource migration

2011-08-21 Thread Michael Roberts
folks, following recent problems with SqueakSource we (Stef and myself) are moving Pharo 1.4 repository to ss3 running at GemStone. http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss We are in the middle of the migration, and will let you know when it is finished. cheers, Mike

Re: [Pharo-project] Camp Smalltalk Edinburgh

2011-08-19 Thread Michael Roberts
gt;- removing reference to SourcedMethodReference and friends (veronica > should add a better instance creation method on methodDefinition >because I did most of the work and realized after that I was using the > wrong api. >- and we have a long time of open issue on the tracker > >

[Pharo-project] Camp Smalltalk Edinburgh

2011-08-19 Thread Michael Roberts
Hi, just wondering if there were any pharoers at Camp Smalltalk this weekend? If so any tasks lined up? cheers, Mike

Re: [Pharo-project] Stubbing class-side methods

2011-07-17 Thread Michael Roberts
is MyClass a domain class or a (unit) test class? thanks, Mike On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 10:45 PM, Sean P. DeNigris wrote: > I keep coming up against this situation over and over in testing. > > MyClass>>doSomethingWorthTesting >    ... >    now := DateAndTime now. >    ... > > I want to control D

Re: [Pharo-project] abouth nautilus and the removal of CodeHolder hierarchy

2011-04-06 Thread Michael Roberts
Ok. And is the idea to build a new core debugger in this effort? I wanted to check we would only build 1 debugger model; and to know where it is. (I only see one in glamourst source). Thanks Mike On 6 Apr 2011, at 07:01, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > It is not. > The idea is to have a default br

Re: [Pharo-project] abouth nautilus and the removal of CodeHolder hierarchy

2011-04-05 Thread Michael Roberts
Hi, how does it relate to glamourost? thanks, Mike On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 7:57 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > > On Apr 5, 2011, at 5:31 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > >> Hi Guys, >> >> Maybe I missed part of the discussion, but what is Nautilus? > > A new browser :) > Supporting >        - groups

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN 1.2.1a] towards 1.2.1

2011-03-21 Thread Michael Roberts
n Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 11:03 PM, Marcus Denker wrote: > > On Mar 20, 2011, at 11:44 PM, Michael Roberts wrote: > >> Hi, a meta question... >> >> when i made changes to SystemVersion I put a comment in that method >> thinking it would not make sense to use it. >

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN 1.2.1a] towards 1.2.1

2011-03-20 Thread Michael Roberts
Hi, a meta question... when i made changes to SystemVersion I put a comment in that method thinking it would not make sense to use it. You have published a use for it ;-) is there a reason you did not want to do SystemVersion current suffix: '1a' that was the main reason i made the changes so i

Re: [Pharo-project] Loading Seaside into Pharo 1.2 core

2011-02-15 Thread Michael Roberts
ok cool. Yes, Torsten is right that i want to load this into Core. Not just for deployment though, but i like working with smaller images. It is also a way of exercising the core image and trying to improve that code base, testing it etc. What i was really after which Dale answered was more detail

Re: [Pharo-project] [SPAM] text selection feature

2011-02-15 Thread Michael Roberts
n > > > Le 14/02/2011 22:52, Sven Van Caekenberghe a écrit : >> >> Micheal, >> >> On 14 Feb 2011, at 22:40, Michael Roberts wrote: >> >>> Hi, there is a recent (I don't know how old) feature where text areas >>> now highlight the sel

[Pharo-project] text selection feature

2011-02-14 Thread Michael Roberts
Hi, there is a recent (I don't know how old) feature where text areas now highlight the selected text in all parts of the same text pane. Does this feature have a name and a setting to control it? thanks, Mike

[Pharo-project] Loading Seaside into Pharo 1.2 core

2011-02-14 Thread Michael Roberts
Hi, i want to load Seaside into Pharo 1.2 core. I have followed various threads talking about doing this with metacello, but beyond the simple tutorial i have worked through I am lost. I don't want to have to specify each package by hand. I can do this... Gofer new squeaksource: 'Metacel

Re: [Pharo-project] debugger problems?

2011-01-25 Thread Michael Roberts
yes as Adrian pointed out debugger highlighting is broken in Pharo. Has been since the very beginning. what we need ideally is a set of test cases describing the desired behaviour. i struggled to simulate this, i am not sure what a good test harness is for the debugger. ideally the highlighting can

Re: [Pharo-project] posting etiquette - please post new text at the *top* of your email

2010-11-01 Thread Michael Roberts
I suspect one reason there is so much inclusion of the content of the existing thread is all the folks using Gmail, which generally hides quoted text very well. I wasn't going to post, but then i didn't see it mentioned. It's the reason I get lazy with quoting cheers, Mike

Re: [Pharo-project] Deprecation policy (was: Re: Object>>at:modify:???)

2010-10-25 Thread Michael Roberts
I think the idea was that the deprecation scheme was fairly simple, and slightly better than just the original deprecated: . What you describe looks a bit over the top to me. just my 2p... cheers, Mike 2010/10/24 Levente Uzonyi : > On Sat, 23 Oct 2010, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > >> On Sat, O

Re: [Pharo-project] Ocean (was Re: Less plugins, more Smalltalk code! (was: Re: Pharo 1.1.1 OneClickCogVm))

2010-10-05 Thread Michael Roberts
regarding streaming frameworks, has anyone looked at http://code.google.com/p/xtreams/ ? the podcasts on it sounded interesting. cheers, Mike On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > Noury, > > One of the other aspects that I find important is elementary efficie

Re: [Pharo-project] SystemVersionTest>>testDowngrade use a deprecated method

2010-10-05 Thread Michael Roberts
surely the test runner should run with deprecations turned off? It is not a bug. I explicitly wrote the test, to test it actually worked. When i was running all the system tests by hand in 1.0, you could not run them without turning deprecations off. it was the first thing i did when i scripted it.

Re: [Pharo-project] Calling Python from Pharo

2010-09-28 Thread Michael Roberts
Depends what level At a high level you could use OSProcess to invoke the correct Python command line and do it in a different process. Or you could use some socket protocol if you have a python interpreter already running waiting for commands. or a mixture of the two... At a lower level you co

Re: [Pharo-project] [update 1.2] #12152

2010-09-28 Thread Michael Roberts
> Issue 2553:     SystemVersion lost its state in 1.2 thanks Marcus. I have added 3013 to deprecate #version:. cheers Mike ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-pr

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo-project Digest, Vol 29, Issue 84

2010-09-12 Thread Michael Roberts
why that wouldn't work. Cheers mike On 13 Sep 2010, at 00:26, Michael Roberts wrote: When I looked through the code I imagined one could implement the nesting by just maintaining a stack on the progress initiator sort of like ... On 11 Sep 2010, at 16:45, Eliot Miranda wrote:

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo-project Digest, Vol 29, Issue 84

2010-09-12 Thread Michael Roberts
When I looked through the code I imagined one could implement the nesting by just maintaining a stack on the progress initiator sort of like ... On 11 Sep 2010, at 16:45, Eliot Miranda wrote: Hi Ralph, On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 1:05 AM, Ralph Boland wrote: > Hi, i don't know why thing

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo-project Digest, Vol 29, Issue 57

2010-09-10 Thread Michael Roberts
Hi, i don't know why things are done the way they are... Is your question how the exception mechanism works, or why it is needed to be done with an exception? as opposed to say doing it some other way? The direct answer to your question is that given it is implemented in terms of exceptions, the s

Re: [Pharo-project] Sockets in Pharo CollaborActive Book

2010-09-01 Thread Michael Roberts
>> > Cool, I appreciate you getting the ball rolling - I am trying to push it > further! (and I don't know too much about sockets) no worries. I have found this guide really useful: http://beej.us/guide/bgnet/ Even if you don't read C, there are lots of comments throughout. cheers Mike __

Re: [Pharo-project] Sockets in Pharo CollaborActive Book

2010-08-31 Thread Michael Roberts
Hi, it just so happens I wrote that section on the colab wiki 1) primarily to play around with the wiki engine 2) I was debugging Magma socket issues and I could not find decent cookbook / snippets to illustrate some simple examples and how to test it outside of Pharo itself. I just thought as an

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo 1.1 host menu os x

2010-08-04 Thread Michael Roberts
I just put the status back to fixed and changed the milestone. http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=1068 not sure what the process is for fixes spanning multiple versions. can do it separately in the future? Mike ___ Pharo-project mailing l

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo 1.1 host menu os x

2010-08-04 Thread Michael Roberts
Merged against 1.1. Please integrate for the one-click release. Name: HostMenus-MikeRoberts.56 Author: MikeRoberts Time: 4 August 2010, 3:19:49 pm UUID: 142b944e-e012-46ac-bc82-52889e20b4e7 Ancestors: HostMenus-MarcusDenker.54 -Relax lookup for OS X Quit menu item otherwise it breaks really easil

Re: [Pharo-project] Poll: missing libraries to support business

2010-08-02 Thread Michael Roberts
=Platform integration= -multiple host windows -deeper platform look 'n feel =Documentation= cheers Mike On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > Hi guys > > with the experience around the XMLRPC project, ESUG wants to change strategy > to help growing business at the techn

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo 1.1 host menu os x

2010-08-02 Thread Michael Roberts
clearly not the case and I do not like that. > > Stef > > On Aug 2, 2010, at 10:03 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > >> this is strange because I thought that we get the complete history chain in >> the Pharo folder since we always >> merge and republish. >> &g

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo 1.1 host menu os x

2010-08-02 Thread Michael Roberts
shouldn't that be added as a package to the general images? otherwise this will always be a potential error when pushing fixes? cheers, Mike 2010/8/2 laurent laffont : > On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 2:43 PM, Michael Roberts wrote: >> >> Hi, >> i am trying to publish a fix

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo 1.1 host menu os x

2010-08-02 Thread Michael Roberts
Hi, i am trying to publish a fix, but I get MC error can't find HostMenus-LaurentLaffont.53. It is the ancestor of HostMenus-MarcusDenker.54 but does not seem to be in the /Pharo package. Where did it go? thanks, Mike ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pha

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo 1.1 host menu os x

2010-07-31 Thread Michael Roberts
iliar but i have had a poke around. I prefer Pharo anyway. it is less verbose. I will see if i can change it and get it to work. thanks, Mike On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Michael Roberts wrote: >> >> Michael, it is working for me. Not only in the OneClick but also with the >

Re: [Pharo-project] About overlapping packages :(

2010-07-31 Thread Michael Roberts
sounds tricky. at the very least add a checker to a menu somewhere so we can start to use it. You wouldn't need to that deeply integrate it in the first instance... do you need to match the existing semantics exactly? I don't think it's good that we can get into these situations. Perhaps we should

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo 1.1 host menu os x

2010-07-31 Thread Michael Roberts
> > Michael, it is working for me. Not only in the OneClick but also with the > image and the Squeak 4.2.5beta1U > what is exactly what it is NOT working for you? like I said literally the host menu quit menu item does not do anything. exactly the symptom described in the original issue. this is w

Re: [Pharo-project] PharoCore 1.1 comments

2010-07-30 Thread Michael Roberts
> - SystemVersion current majorMinorVersion prints: > > PharoCore 1.0: 'PharoCore1.0' > > PharoCore 1.1: 'Pharo1.1' > the version object has been downgraded again. the version string needs to be nil and it keeps on getting broken. I will deprecate the mechanism once i recheck the package issues.

[Pharo-project] Pharo 1.1 host menu os x

2010-07-29 Thread Michael Roberts
I gave the latest release a spin and it seams quit doesn't work (again). old reference -> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=1068 can someone confirm? if so do we want a new issue or reopen the old one? Also the host menu is not consistent with the world menu. for example the tools

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 2635 - methods recategorization

2010-07-06 Thread Michael Roberts
>> 2) e.g you move somethings to *Tools and some things to *Tools-Explorer >> is that not going to create the same problem that happened to System, >> with both parent and child packages defined in the same image? > > There's only one MC package named Tools and this package is not > splitted. But w

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 2635 - methods recategorization

2010-07-06 Thread Michael Roberts
Hi, 1) do MC packages already exist for all re-categorization? 2) e.g you move somethings to *Tools and some things to *Tools-Explorer is that not going to create the same problem that happened to System, with both parent and child packages defined in the same image? thanks, Mike __

Re: [Pharo-project] System vs System-support package

2010-07-05 Thread Michael Roberts
ldren? thanks, Mike On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > there is probably a problem since we worked with pavel on reorganization at > the package level. > > Stef > > On Jul 4, 2010, at 3:53 PM, Michael Roberts wrote: > >> I am about to post a deprecati

[Pharo-project] System vs System-support package

2010-07-04 Thread Michael Roberts
I am about to post a deprecation of SystemVersion>>version: to 1.2 but once i have made my changes i see something odd in MC browser: dirty packages * System (System-StephaneDucasse.6) * System-Support (System-Support-StephaneDucasse.317) Stef, have you started to publish System as a whole? did y

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 2560 : Convenient methods from Grease for Strings

2010-06-21 Thread Michael Roberts
ses too?that would not make a lot of sense to me. So what do you think? mike Stef On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:42 PM, Michael Roberts wrote: I'm missing something. Why do we need to adopt the (copy of) methods and not just adopt the package as lukas said? I thought we wanted core to

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 2560 : Convenient methods from Grease for Strings

2010-06-21 Thread Michael Roberts
PM, Michael Roberts wrote: I'm missing something. Why do we need to adopt the (copy of) methods and not just adopt the package as lukas said? I thought we wanted core to get smaller over time and better modularised anyway? We would just need to track a stable version rather than mainta

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 2560 : Convenient methods from Grease for Strings

2010-06-21 Thread Michael Roberts
I'm missing something. Why do we need to adopt the (copy of) methods and not just adopt the package as lukas said? I thought we wanted core to get smaller over time and better modularised anyway? We would just need to track a stable version rather than maintaining our own branch. Surely it

Re: [Pharo-project] VM - Internet Settings?

2010-06-17 Thread Michael Roberts
Hi You asked this question before I think on the users list. Someone would have to write a parser for the specific formats returned. In this case i think they are a ms specific text format. The more common auto config files are JavaScript and require a parser or mini execution environment t

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN 1.2] first 1.2 pre-built core image 12003

2010-06-13 Thread Michael Roberts
, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > do you have a pointer? > > Stef > On Jun 13, 2010, at 3:17 PM, Michael Roberts wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> SystemVersion current is missing all the state (i put some effort into >> making that).  I'm not sure wh

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN 1.2] first 1.2 pre-built core image 12003

2010-06-13 Thread Michael Roberts
Hi, SystemVersion current is missing all the state (i put some effort into making that). I'm not sure when it got lost but should really be fixed. thanks, Mike On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Marcus Denker wrote: > >         > https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/27158/PharoCore-1.2-12003

Re: [Pharo-project] About TDD and Pharo

2010-06-04 Thread Michael Roberts
With a few sprints coming and such enthusiasm for our tools this is an opportune thread to remind folks the debugger itself needs some serious work on it. I would suggest doing this first before adding features to it. Any volunteers? 1) pressing send does not always change the highlighted c

Re: [Pharo-project] SUnit Time out

2010-05-30 Thread Michael Roberts
timeouts.  The timeout block >>> can simply raise an exception or assert false, and there is no need to >>> disable timeouts where they do not belong. >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> >>> From: pharo-project-boun...@lists.gfo

Re: [Pharo-project] SUnit Time out

2010-05-29 Thread Michael Roberts
yes think it's a good idea. I'm not sure the granularity that's required though. mike On Saturday, May 29, 2010, stephane ducasse wrote: > Hi guys > > in Squeak andreas introduced the idea of test time out > Do you think that this is interesting? > > Stef > > SUnit > - > All test cases now h

Re: [Pharo-project] So...we freeze 1.1 ? (next steps?)

2010-05-18 Thread Michael Roberts
I am surprised too. would it not be safer to just apply the same reversion of the code so that 1.1 is the same as 1.0? Then when someone has the time to do a full review, a "new" network can be applied to the start of a dev cycle, with some form of integration tests. cheers, Mike On Tue, May 18,

Re: [Pharo-project] maybe a stupid question :)

2010-05-17 Thread Michael Roberts
way back then there was a thread about not calling Pharo what we should not call it but we have as a group consistently failed to do this. i would suggest that if people can't drop using *it*, then we have to give up. it is very difficult doing such brand management in an online group. we shou

Re: [Pharo-project] So...we freeze 1.1 ? (next steps?)

2010-05-17 Thread Michael Roberts
what are the exact problems with the network? lukas' email said that the resolver behaviour had changed positively, not that there was an issue. or did i miss read? thanks, Mike On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > So what do you suggest >        beta for two three weeks >

[Pharo-project] Fwd: NetNameResolver in Pharo 1.1

2010-05-15 Thread Michael Roberts
 I don't know whether Miguel > updated his Metacello config for Magma; I have not yet had time to get > into Metacello or I would have done it. > > So how did you install this? > > > On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 9:43 AM, Michael Roberts wrote: >> Hi just trying to run th

Re: [Pharo-project] maybe a stupid question :)

2010-05-15 Thread Michael Roberts
You might disagree but it's what we decided. We should keep different version tags so that we can use different update streams (sections within) in the future. Cheers mike On Friday, May 14, 2010, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > I do not have strong feeling about that ;) > Just busy :) > > On May 14,

Re: [Pharo-project] NetNameResolver in Pharo 1.1

2010-05-14 Thread Michael Roberts
Hi just trying to run the tests via the standard magma test expression. So it is looking to see if Display exists. That's the point on my mac I recognize that it annoyingly changes my screen resolution :-) anyway it is missing your ma extension to query the namespace. Cheers mike On Friday, May

Re: [Pharo-project] NetNameResolver in Pharo 1.1

2010-05-13 Thread Michael Roberts
t; On May 13, 2010, at 7:53 PM, Michael Roberts wrote: > >> I have tried to load Magma in Pharo1.1 but have not yet succeeded. I >> don't have a lot of time i'm afraid. the existing Metacello config >> doesn't load the right packages, nor the list on the wi

Re: [Pharo-project] NetNameResolver in Pharo 1.1

2010-05-13 Thread Michael Roberts
I have tried to load Magma in Pharo1.1 but have not yet succeeded. I don't have a lot of time i'm afraid. the existing Metacello config doesn't load the right packages, nor the list on the wiki page (using installer) it seems. I am missing an implementation of a method maAt:ifPresent:ifAbsent: on S

Re: [Pharo-project] NetNameResolver in Pharo 1.1

2010-05-09 Thread Michael Roberts
On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 9:06 AM, Lukas Renggli wrote: >> We should run the Magma test suite. > > Could you do that? Yes, i'm just asking Chris what the latest packages are. My emails on the subject don't seem to match the repository any more. > >> It was not just related to those NetNameResolver

Re: [Pharo-project] NetNameResolver in Pharo 1.1

2010-05-09 Thread Michael Roberts
We should run the Magma test suite. It was not just related to those NetNameResolver methods IIRC. The API changed very slightly. Also, the lazy initialization of useOldNetwork made it really difficult to see what was going on. I'll have a dig around. cheers, Mike On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 4:54 P

Re: [Pharo-project] Help System

2010-05-05 Thread Michael Roberts
I agree with Lukas, although I have already expressed these sentiments in previous threads when I raised my own design concern. For me the point is that the standard old class comment / method comments is not expressive enough to be integrated into such a help system. There is a desire to annotate

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 2372: HelpSystem for 1.1

2010-05-02 Thread Michael Roberts
it's much more important to enable documentation to be easily written. Thanks for putting it in mike On Saturday, May 1, 2010, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> The help core package and the according tests package are ready for >> integration in the pharo inbox. After talking today with

Re: [Pharo-project] HelpSystem (was Documentation Team)

2010-04-21 Thread Michael Roberts
starting point to look for documentation, at > http://docs.pharo-project.org > Cheers, > Laurent Laffont > > > On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Michael Roberts wrote: >> >> Laurent, i think this is a tension that a number of us feel. should we >> put documentat

Re: [Pharo-project] HelpSystem (was Documentation Team)

2010-04-21 Thread Michael Roberts
Laurent, i think this is a tension that a number of us feel. should we put documentation in the colab book, or in the system? For me the two are distinct. The book, ultimately, should read as a book. That is there is a logical flow from start to finish and the content is consistent, from start to

Re: [Pharo-project] Hints and clues for a Pharo newb

2010-04-21 Thread Michael Roberts
thisContext reifies the activation contexts (if that is the exact way to describe it?). I don't believe you have it in VA. So you can just walk it. If you look for some of the fatal error handling logic you can see how the debug log is written out on crash containing the stack. Cheers mike On Wedn

Re: [Pharo-project] FEATURE: User chooses preferred location for MC directory repositories

2010-04-21 Thread Michael Roberts
Ducasse wrote: > Cool I will do that too. > Can you create a book entry with that because this is cool :) > > Stef > > On Apr 21, 2010, at 8:40 AM, laurent laffont wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 11:21 PM, Michael Roberts wrote: >> i'm

Re: [Pharo-project] FEATURE: User chooses preferred location for MC directory repositories

2010-04-20 Thread Michael Roberts
i'm not sure what either of you mean. I want there to be no UI choice and the system just looks higher up in the file system hierarchy. certainly environment variables or a .pharorc style file would solve this. thanks, Mike On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 6:33 PM, Chris Muller wrote: > Whether the user

Re: [Pharo-project] FEATURE: User chooses preferred location for MC directory repositories

2010-04-20 Thread Michael Roberts
Regarding sharing a package cache, I made a change a while ago that searches up the directory tree to see if there is one higher up. You then don't have to change the fresh image. What do you think? Cheers mike On Tuesday, April 20, 2010, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > > On Apr 20, 2010, at 1:00 AM,

Re: [Pharo-project] Error when 'Loading 11313-Pha-CleaningCompilerTests...'

2010-04-19 Thread Michael Roberts
there is a directory package-cache in the same level that the image lives. are you doing this in the 1-click image or a normal image? assuming you can easily see the directory you can just delete it. I'm sorry i'm not more specific about the error. I'm hoping someone else chips in with a better des

Re: [Pharo-project] Error when 'Loading 11313-Pha-CleaningCompilerTests...'

2010-04-19 Thread Michael Roberts
Hi, I think this is a common error caused by corrupt mcz files. Can you clear your cache and try again? thanks, Mike On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Sean P. DeNigris wrote: > > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2327 : > Pharo image: core > Pharo core version: PharoCore1.1ALPHA #11

Re: [Pharo-project] [Pharo-users] [ANN] Pharo 1.0 released!

2010-04-19 Thread Michael Roberts
On Monday, April 19, 2010, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > On Apr 19, 2010, at 09:10 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > >> On Apr 19, 2010, at 1:56 AM, Stephen Taylor wrote: >> >>> Henrik Johansen wrote: >>> Gotta love reddit... >>> [...] - "I don't know what Smalltalk is, and the site doesn't tell me

[Pharo-project] Help on collaborator Active book

2010-04-19 Thread Michael Roberts
On Sunday, April 18, 2010, Tudor Girba wrote: > Fixed. > > Doru thanks! Mike ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Re: [Pharo-project] Help on collaborator Active book

2010-04-18 Thread Michael Roberts
cheers Lukas, can you check how it has rendered, i am not sure the copy/paste has quite worked? Mike On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Lukas Renggli wrote: >> yes i was going to copy it into the new help section. Can someone with >> access to book.seaside.st send me the original markup? or tell

Re: [Pharo-project] Help on collaborator Active book

2010-04-18 Thread Michael Roberts
yes i was going to copy it into the new help section. Can someone with access to book.seaside.st send me the original markup? or tell me how I can view the pier source. I have added a link for now. I also created a sandbox for trying things out. thanks, Mike 2010/4/18 laurent laffont : > OK than

Re: [Pharo-project] Canvas transform bug when rendering text?

2010-04-18 Thread Michael Roberts
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 8:21 AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > we should release 1.1 much faster :) > like that people will be able to get all the fixes yes ;) for tagging fixes for 1.0 maintenance, should we use a milestone 1.0.1 in the tracker? - is this code candidate for 1.0.1? cheers, Mi

Re: [Pharo-project] About the collaborative pier

2010-04-18 Thread Michael Roberts
Stef, Doru i have got confused as well with where pages get added. It makes sense once you understand what Pier is doing, but i have put too many pages in the wrong place. Anyway i have created a help chapter, with some tips. Please feel free to correct or add more. cheers, Mike ___

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