Re: [Pharo-users] "Building-With versus Building-on"

2017-10-14 Thread H. Hirzel
Hello Serge https://ummisco.github.io/kendrick/ https://github.com/UMMISCO/kendrick :-) Maybe you can refer to a report how it was used? --Hannes On 10/14/17, Serge Stinckwich wrote: > On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at 11:50 AM, H. Hirzel > wrote:

Re: [Pharo-users] "Building-With versus Building-on"

2017-10-14 Thread Serge Stinckwich
On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at 11:50 AM, H. Hirzel wrote: > On 10/12/17, Andrew Glynn wrote: > > https://medium.com/@dasein42/building-with-versus-building-on-c51aa3034 > > c71 > > This is an article not specifically about Pharo, rather on the state of > >

Re: [Pharo-users] "Building-With versus Building-on"

2017-10-14 Thread H. Hirzel
On 10/12/17, Andrew Glynn wrote: > https://medium.com/@dasein42/building-with-versus-building-on-c51aa3034 > c71 > This is an article not specifically about Pharo, rather on the state of > the industry > in general and how it got that way, but positing Pharo as a way to >

Re: [Pharo-users] "Building-With versus Building-on"

2017-10-14 Thread A. Glynn
The problem is that it takes 1233 pages of config, and that's the summary page of my config, and it uses 15GB RAM, on my laptop, lol. On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at 1:10 AM, jtuc...@objektfabrik.de < jtuc...@objektfabrik.de> wrote: > > > Am 12.10.17 um 20:04 schrieb Dimitris Chloupis: > >> >> Eclispe ,

Re: [Pharo-users] "Building-With versus Building-on"

2017-10-14 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
I stand corrected On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 at 08:11, jtuc...@objektfabrik.de < jtuc...@objektfabrik.de> wrote: > > > Am 12.10.17 um 20:04 schrieb Dimitris Chloupis: > > > > Eclispe , which I will disagree with your that is not the worst IDE, > > started as a smalltalk IDE and then it got Eclipsed. I

Re: [Pharo-users] "Building-With versus Building-on"

2017-10-13 Thread jtuc...@objektfabrik.de
Am 12.10.17 um 20:04 schrieb Dimitris Chloupis: Eclispe , which I will disagree with your that is not the worst IDE, started as a smalltalk IDE and then it got Eclipsed. I am sure those people had a "build on" environment , still it got messy. We can blame porting to Java, but can we

Re: [Pharo-users] "Building-With versus Building-on"

2017-10-13 Thread Thierry Goubier
Hi Andrew, Stephane, thanks for the read. It was interesting, albeit a bit confusing at times. I do like your evaluation of the thesis. 2017-10-12 23:10 GMT+02:00 Stephane Ducasse : > Thanks Andrew I read it fast and I will reread it. It is really > interesting to me

Re: [Pharo-users] "Building-With versus Building-on"

2017-10-13 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
k/?LinkId=550986> for > Windows 10 > > > > *From: *Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.al...@gmail.com> > *Sent: *Thursday, October 12, 2017 2:05 PM > *To: *Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> > *Subject: *Re: [Pharo-users] "Building-With v

Re: [Pharo-users] "Building-With versus Building-on"

2017-10-12 Thread Andrew Glynn
: Dimitris Chloupis Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 2:05 PM To: Any question about pharo is welcome Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] "Building-With versus Building-on" It's a mentality issue, modern programming languages provide the material necessary to create innovative environments but their c

Re: [Pharo-users] "Building-With versus Building-on"

2017-10-12 Thread Stephane Ducasse
Thanks Andrew I read it fast and I will reread it. It is really interesting to me because I never took the time to understand "worse is better". On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 5:50 PM, Andrew Glynn wrote: > https://medium.com/@dasein42/building-with-versus-building-on-c51aa3034c71 >

Re: [Pharo-users] "Building-With versus Building-on"

2017-10-12 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
It's a mentality issue, modern programming languages provide the material necessary to create innovative environments but their communities just simply does not care. A language designer may introduce a feature in a language that is super useful. Still people may not use it. And let's face it

Re: [Pharo-users] "Building-With versus Building-on"

2017-10-12 Thread Peter Fisk
Thanks for posting this. It is one of the best descriptions of the state of the software industry that I have seen. On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 11:50 AM, Andrew Glynn wrote: > https://medium.com/@dasein42/building-with-versus-building-on-c51aa3034c71 > > > This is an article

[Pharo-users] "Building-With versus Building-on"

2017-10-12 Thread Andrew Glynn
https://medium.com/@dasein42/building-with-versus-building-on-c51aa3034 c71 This is an article not specifically about Pharo, rather on the state of the industry in general and how it got that way, but positing Pharo as a way to learn building-on rather than building-with, where in the latter case