Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Smalltalk's Successor

2020-08-13 Thread tbrunz
Hi Richard, I had the same impression, that "Pharo is Smalltalk's successor". (Without any negative feelings toward VAST and VW; they fill a very important role for commercial use -- businesses depend on the kind of support that a commercial distribution provides and are very willing to fund that

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Smalltalk's Successor

2020-08-13 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Ok please accept my apologies if I hurt you. My point richard is that you can have an impact on Pharo. It is easy if you design libraries running on top of Pharo and make them public. S. > On 13 Aug 2020, at 03:44, Richard O'Keefe wrote: > > Am I starting to hallucinate, or did I read some

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Smalltalk's Successor

2020-08-12 Thread Richard O'Keefe
One other point. When I saw the subject line "Smalltalk's successor", I expected to read that *Pharo* already is Smalltalk's successor, what with traits and GT and direct support for Git &c. I think "The future of Smalltalk is not far-off it's Pharo and it's here" is a claim that could well be mad

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Smalltalk's Successor

2020-08-12 Thread Richard O'Keefe
Am I starting to hallucinate, or did I read some time in the last year that there are plans for a "long term stability" branch of Pharo? That had me giving thanks. Pharo is splendid, and that will give us the best of both worlds: a stable base for development WITHOUT holding back development of P

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Smalltalk's Successor

2020-08-12 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
> On 12 Aug 2020, at 19:27, horrido wrote: > > You are quite right, which is why I'm retiring as Smalltalk evangelist. There > is simply nothing more I can say about Smalltalk. Over the last 5 years, > I've said everything there is to say and I've said them in every way > imaginable. What I se

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Smalltalk's Successor

2020-08-12 Thread horrido
You are quite right, which is why I'm retiring as Smalltalk evangelist. There is simply nothing more I can say about Smalltalk. Over the last 5 years, I've said everything there is to say and I've said them in every way imaginable. My last act as Smalltalk evangelist will be Camp Smalltalk Supreme

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Smalltalk's Successor

2020-08-12 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
"Protect me from my friends I will deal with my ennemies." Pharo is Pharo. The smalltalk community likes to complain but we prefer to invent the future. For the record we are helping companies to DELIVER and we are engaging any people that want to invent the fu

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Smalltalk's Successor

2020-08-12 Thread Konrad Hinsen
Am 12.08.20 um 06:28 schrieb Richard O'Keefe: The contrast between "flexibility of choice" and "tyranny of one standard" is, um, a little over-drawn.  I have three different Common Lisp systems on this laptop: CMUCL, SBCL, and CCL.  I have the flexibility of choice between them *because* the a

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Smalltalk's Successor

2020-08-11 Thread Richard O'Keefe
The contrast between "flexibility of choice" and "tyranny of one standard" is, um, a little over-drawn. I have three different Common Lisp systems on this laptop: CMUCL, SBCL, and CCL. I have the flexibility of choice between them *because* the adhere to a common standard. Each of them has its o

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Smalltalk's Successor

2020-08-11 Thread Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas
Hi, On the issue of families of technologies (Lisp and Linux), I see that the article's conclusion doesn't work well in the languages front, as it does on the operative systems one. If you replace the title with Lisp's successor or Linux's successor, the articles conclusion changes, because of the

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Smalltalk's Successor

2020-08-10 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Richard if you would like to have a real impact why don’t you help for real to copy edit and improve documentation. This is not your articles that will attract people, a strong documentation smoothing the learning curve will. This is super easy you can edit text right in your web browser. I d

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Smalltalk's Successor

2020-08-10 Thread horrido
It's true, Smalltalk faces the same dilemma as Linux and Lisp. As a /family/ of languages, portability is a genuine issue. There's no getting around this dichotomy. You can have either a flexibility of choice or the tyranny of one standard, but not both. The decision is a fact of life that we fac

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Smalltalk's Successor

2020-08-10 Thread Richard O'Keefe
Here is a challenge: What is "Smalltalk"? VAST, VW, and Pharo are quite different environments. To the extent that they share a common syntax (which they don't, quite), fine, but porting nontrivial code between them is NOT easy. They certainly have very little in common as GUI kits. All praise a

[Pharo-users] [ANN] Smalltalk's Successor

2020-08-10 Thread Richard Kenneth Eng
https://smalltalk.tech.blog/2020/08/10/smalltalks-successor/ A bold claim. It'll be interesting to see if anybody challenges me on this.