Re: [Pharo-users] Ridiculous we are

2014-09-26 Thread Henrik Johansen
On 25 Sep 2014, at 8:55 , Alain Rastoul alf.mmm@gmail.com wrote: Le 25/09/2014 07:23, Sven Van Caekenberghe a écrit : On 25 Sep 2014, at 01:04, Alain Rastoul alf.mmm@gmail.com wrote: Le 25/09/2014 00:06, Sven Van Caekenberghe a écrit : Alain, The character encoding situation

Re: [Pharo-users] Ridiculous we are

2014-09-26 Thread stepharo
I'm not expert and I would like to know what people think. But I think that we should consider - the impact of spur new object format. I would like to have unicode and clean the leadChar Stef

Re: [Pharo-users] Ridiculous we are

2014-09-26 Thread stepharo
Sven I love this chapter. I will read it calmly now. Stef On 25/9/14 07:23, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: On 25 Sep 2014, at 01:04, Alain Rastoul alf.mmm@gmail.com wrote: Le 25/09/2014 00:06, Sven Van Caekenberghe a écrit : Alain, The character encoding situation in Pharo is pretty good

Re: [Pharo-users] Ridiculous we are

2014-09-26 Thread Hilaire
Le 26/09/2014 21:00, p...@highoctane.be a écrit : I'd love another title for this thread. It depresses me. Yes, me too. Hilaire -- Dr. Geo - http://drgeo.eu iStoa - http://istoa.drgeo.eu

Re: [Pharo-users] Ridiculous we are

2014-09-25 Thread Henrik Johansen
On 25 Sep 2014, at 5:00 , Hilaire Fernandes hila...@drgeo.eu wrote: Le 24/09/2014 18:48, Benjamin Pollack a écrit : On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 08:51:54 -0400, Hilaire hila...@drgeo.eu wrote: Le 23/09/2014 14:09, Damien Cassou a écrit : I recently read documents about utf-8 encoding. In all of

Re: [Pharo-users] Ridiculous we are

2014-09-25 Thread Henrik Johansen
On 22 Sep 2014, at 10:07 , Hilaire hila...@drgeo.eu wrote: However font path seems ok: File @ /home/hilaire/Téléchargements/DrGeo.app/Contents/Resources. Inspecting this path, it looks like 'Téléchargements' is 8 bits, but it should be utf-8, right? I think there are issue on Windows,

Re: [Pharo-users] Ridiculous we are

2014-09-25 Thread Alain Rastoul
Le 25/09/2014 07:23, Sven Van Caekenberghe a écrit : On 25 Sep 2014, at 01:04, Alain Rastoul alf.mmm@gmail.com wrote: Le 25/09/2014 00:06, Sven Van Caekenberghe a écrit : Alain, The character encoding situation in Pharo is pretty good actually. The only problem is that there is some

Re: [Pharo-users] Ridiculous we are

2014-09-24 Thread Benjamin Pollack
On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 08:51:54 -0400, Hilaire hila...@drgeo.eu wrote: Le 23/09/2014 14:09, Damien Cassou a écrit : I recently read documents about utf-8 encoding. In all of them, the author says that pathnames should be kept as is because you never know which encoding the filesystem uses. So, a

Re: [Pharo-users] Ridiculous we are

2014-09-24 Thread Benjamin Pollack
On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 17:58:41 -0400, Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@stfx.eu wrote: I also find the way some problems are reported quite disturbing. How much testing did you do ? On which platforms ? I can do this (in Pharo 3) without any problems (we're talking about arbitrary Unicode

Re: [Pharo-users] Ridiculous we are

2014-09-24 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
On 24 Sep 2014, at 18:48, Benjamin Pollack benja...@bitquabit.com wrote: On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 08:51:54 -0400, Hilaire hila...@drgeo.eu wrote: Le 23/09/2014 14:09, Damien Cassou a écrit : I recently read documents about utf-8 encoding. In all of them, the author says that pathnames should be

Re: [Pharo-users] Ridiculous we are

2014-09-24 Thread Benjamin Pollack
On Wed, 24 Sep 2014 13:03:57 -0400, Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@stfx.eu wrote: Did you read the actual conversation in the issue ? https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/14054/Issue-with-path-with-accented-characters It has been renamed and there is a fix (as a change set, not as a slice,

Re: [Pharo-users] Ridiculous we are

2014-09-24 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
On 24 Sep 2014, at 19:09, Benjamin Pollack benja...@bitquabit.com wrote: On Wed, 24 Sep 2014 13:03:57 -0400, Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@stfx.eu wrote: Did you read the actual conversation in the issue ? https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/14054/Issue-with-path-with-accented-characters

Re: [Pharo-users] Ridiculous we are

2014-09-24 Thread Alain Rastoul
Le 24/09/2014 19:09, Benjamin Pollack a écrit : If Pharo used ByteArrays to represent paths, with convenience methods for working with UTF-8 (since I do agree that's the most likely thing for a user/dev to want), then you'd be able to work with all files no matter what, *and* have a

Re: [Pharo-users] Ridiculous we are

2014-09-24 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
Alain, On 24 Sep 2014, at 23:00, Alain Rastoul alf.mmm@gmail.com wrote: Le 24/09/2014 19:09, Benjamin Pollack a écrit : If Pharo used ByteArrays to represent paths, with convenience methods for working with UTF-8 (since I do agree that's the most likely thing for a user/dev to

Re: [Pharo-users] Ridiculous we are

2014-09-24 Thread Alain Rastoul
Le 25/09/2014 00:06, Sven Van Caekenberghe a écrit : Alain, The character encoding situation in Pharo is pretty good actually. The only problem is that there is some old school code left that encodes strings into strings, but today you can easily write much better and conceptually correct

Re: [Pharo-users] Ridiculous we are

2014-09-24 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
On 25 Sep 2014, at 01:04, Alain Rastoul alf.mmm@gmail.com wrote: Le 25/09/2014 00:06, Sven Van Caekenberghe a écrit : Alain, The character encoding situation in Pharo is pretty good actually. The only problem is that there is some old school code left that encodes strings into

Re: [Pharo-users] Ridiculous we are

2014-09-23 Thread Damien Cassou
On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 10:07 PM, Hilaire hila...@drgeo.eu wrote: However font path seems ok: File @ /home/hilaire/Téléchargements/DrGeo.app/Contents/Resources. Inspecting this path, it looks like 'Téléchargements' is 8 bits, but it should be utf-8, right? I recently read documents about

Re: [Pharo-users] Ridiculous we are

2014-09-23 Thread Hilaire
Le 23/09/2014 14:09, Damien Cassou a écrit : I recently read documents about utf-8 encoding. In all of them, the author says that pathnames should be kept as is because you never know which encoding the filesystem uses. So, a filename should probably be a bytearray. yes, but a #é should be

[Pharo-users] Ridiculous we are

2014-09-22 Thread Hilaire
Hello, Tested on Linux, when I move DrGeo.app folder under hierarchy tree with accent characters (For example, /home/hilaire/Téléchargement/), loading font does not work However font path seems ok: File @ /home/hilaire/Téléchargements/DrGeo.app/Contents/Resources. Inspecting this path, it looks

Re: [Pharo-users] Ridiculous we are

2014-09-22 Thread Alexandre Bergel
:-( I will soon face the same problem I fear, when I will start my lecture… Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. On Sep 22, 2014, at 5:07 PM, Hilaire hila...@drgeo.eu wrote:

Re: [Pharo-users] Ridiculous we are

2014-09-22 Thread Juraj Kubelka
Can you create an issue? I am cleaning the fonts and in some case I could consider this issue. If it is problem only on Windows, I will need someone’s assistance. Cheers, Juraj On Sep 22, 2014, at 5:07 PM, Hilaire hila...@drgeo.eu wrote: Hello, Tested on Linux, when I move DrGeo.app

Re: [Pharo-users] Ridiculous we are

2014-09-22 Thread Hilaire
You can use screenshot. But back to the issue, in other part of DrGeo, when saving/loading sketch, path or filename with accent, space are ok. So not sure what's going on. Hilaire Le 22/09/2014 22:15, Alexandre Bergel a écrit : :-( I will soon face the same problem I fear, when I will start

Re: [Pharo-users] Ridiculous we are

2014-09-22 Thread stepharo
Hilaire These are two days that after upgrading my iPhone, the recovery process crash. After two days trying I finally succeeded to upload my recovery to my iPhone and now my iPhone crashes continously at boot time. I get a nice sepia screenshot and it restarts. I will have to send my iPhone

Re: [Pharo-users] Ridiculous we are

2014-09-22 Thread Hilaire
The issue is already there https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/14054/Issue-with-path-with-accented-characters I try to document it but it is odd, because for some other part in DrGeo I don't have issue with accented path. But should not the path be utf-8 encoded? Or is my fresh linuxmint box using

Re: [Pharo-users] Ridiculous we are

2014-09-22 Thread Hilaire
Le 22/09/2014 22:35, stepharo a écrit : So I do not accept the title of your email. Simply I cannot. Don't worry, it is a temporary cry/yield of frustration. -- Dr. Geo - http://drgeo.eu iStoa - http://istao.drgeo.eu

Re: [Pharo-users] Ridiculous we are

2014-09-22 Thread p...@highoctane.be
Also, sometimes things do look like Téléchargement but are still Downloads under the hood as the OS translates the UI. Phil On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 10:35 PM, stepharo steph...@free.fr wrote: Hilaire These are two days that after upgrading my iPhone, the recovery process crash. After

Re: [Pharo-users] Ridiculous we are

2014-09-22 Thread Hilaire
Le 22/09/2014 23:14, p...@highoctane.be a écrit : Also, sometimes things do look like Téléchargement but are still Downloads under the hood as the OS translates the UI. Yes, I check within another path of my own like 'été', still same issue. Strange is I have no issue to search for sketch file

Re: [Pharo-users] Ridiculous we are

2014-09-22 Thread Nicolai Hess
There is a similar issue for windows 13127 https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?13127 can not (always) read permissions for directoryentries on a path with nonascii characters 2014-09-22 23:21 GMT+02:00 Hilaire hila...@drgeo.eu: Le 22/09/2014 23:14, p...@highoctane.be a écrit : Also,

Re: [Pharo-users] Ridiculous we are

2014-09-22 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
I also find the way some problems are reported quite disturbing. How much testing did you do ? On which platforms ? I can do this (in Pharo 3) without any problems (we're talking about arbitrary Unicode characters in path names): ('/tmp' asFileReference / 'été') ensureCreateDirectory.

Re: [Pharo-users] Ridiculous we are

2014-09-22 Thread Robert Shiplett
so I stay with my 8Gb iTouch iOS 3 ; with no prospect of an upgrade, I am sorta worry-free. If only it were also a phone ... Don't dial ... DO ! ;-) [ this msg was last seen in my default font ] On 22 September 2014 17:35, stepharo steph...@free.fr wrote: Hilaire These are two days