Re: [Pharo-users] Zoomable Infinitely scrollable PasteupMorph

2014-11-03 Thread kilon alios
Yes I understand this already, but I assume you mean something that already works with morphs which something I did not realise when I first replied.Dont know if Roassal offers something similar for mophs, but since none said so already I will assume it does not. In any case moving Morphic to

Re: [Pharo-users] Zoomable Infinitely scrollable PasteupMorph

2014-11-02 Thread stepharo
Do you think Roassal can replace Morphic at all? No Stef 2014-09-16 20:07 GMT+04:00 Alexandre Bergel alexandre.ber...@me.com mailto:alexandre.ber...@me.com: In the word “submorph” there are two important parts. “sub” and “morph”. Roassal support subelements, but only one morph

Re: [Pharo-users] Zoomable Infinitely scrollable PasteupMorph

2014-11-02 Thread stepharo
I gave up on zoomability (with the idea to revisit after Athens is integrated), Athens is integrated. Now if the community does not help redefining the drawnOn: methods using athens then it will not happen. Stef but I hacked together an infinitely scrollable world, called

Re: [Pharo-users] Zoomable Infinitely scrollable PasteupMorph

2014-11-02 Thread Thierry Goubier
Le 02/11/2014 15:15, stepharo a écrit : I gave up on zoomability (with the idea to revisit after Athens is integrated), Athens is integrated. Now if the community does not help redefining the drawnOn: methods using athens then it will not happen. And, speaking of infinite zoomability, you

Re: [Pharo-users] Zoomable Infinitely scrollable PasteupMorph

2014-11-02 Thread Nicolai Hess
2014-11-02 15:22 GMT+01:00 Thierry Goubier thierry.goub...@gmail.com: Le 02/11/2014 15:15, stepharo a écrit : I gave up on zoomability (with the idea to revisit after Athens is integrated), Athens is integrated. Now if the community does not help redefining the drawnOn: methods using

Re: [Pharo-users] Zoomable Infinitely scrollable PasteupMorph

2014-11-02 Thread kilon alios
I dont get why we need zoomable and infinitable scrollable pasteupmorph, athens already can do this, scale things and pan things to infinitive and beyond , you apply morphic and voila. On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 5:29 PM, Nicolai Hess nicolaih...@web.de wrote: 2014-11-02 15:22 GMT+01:00 Thierry

Re: [Pharo-users] Zoomable Infinitely scrollable PasteupMorph

2014-11-02 Thread Thierry Goubier
Le 02/11/2014 16:29, Nicolai Hess a écrit : 2014-11-02 15:22 GMT+01:00 Thierry Goubier thierry.goub...@gmail.com mailto:thierry.goub...@gmail.com: Le 02/11/2014 15:15, stepharo a écrit : I gave up on zoomability (with the idea to revisit after Athens is

Re: [Pharo-users] Zoomable Infinitely scrollable PasteupMorph

2014-11-02 Thread Sean P. DeNigris
kilon.alios wrote I dont get why we need zoomable and infinitable scrollable pasteupmorph, I need an IDE that does not cram my self expression into a multi-paned browser. PasteUpMorph is an implementation detail that I'd be happy to upgrade if there's something better. - Cheers, Sean --

Re: [Pharo-users] Zoomable Infinitely scrollable PasteupMorph

2014-10-29 Thread Sean P. DeNigris
I gave up on zoomability (with the idea to revisit after Athens is integrated), but I hacked together an infinitely scrollable world, called ScrollableWorldMorph, which is in use in my LivingCode IDE prototype described (with loading instructions) at

Re: [Pharo-users] Zoomable Infinitely scrollable PasteupMorph

2014-10-29 Thread Dennis Schetinin
Thanks, very interesting! -- Best regards, Dennis Schetinin 2014-10-29 16:31 GMT+04:00 Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com: I gave up on zoomability (with the idea to revisit after Athens is integrated), but I hacked together an infinitely scrollable world, called

Re: [Pharo-users] Zoomable Infinitely scrollable PasteupMorph

2014-09-17 Thread Alexandre Bergel
Yes it can. But Roassal is not made to replace Morphic. In my opinion, Morphic is not simply about having graphic elements answering events, as Roassal does. Morphic provides ways to build sophisticated UI (even if Morphic behaves poorly in comparison with state-of-the-art UI frameworks).

Re: [Pharo-users] Zoomable Infinitely scrollable PasteupMorph

2014-09-17 Thread p...@highoctane.be
Ah one thing with roassal: Please honor the global keymappings and morph local ones. TRMorph swallows them due to the key press related methods which hijack them all. Once a TRMorph is active is feels weird. I love TRMorph and animations. Very nice code. Phil Le 18 sept. 2014 05:46,

Re: [Pharo-users] Zoomable Infinitely scrollable PasteupMorph

2014-09-17 Thread Alexandre Bergel
Ah one thing with roassal: Please honor the global keymappings and morph local ones. TRMorph swallows them due to the key press related methods which hijack them all. Is there another keystroke than cmd-w ? Once a TRMorph is active is feels weird. I love TRMorph and animations. Very

Re: [Pharo-users] Zoomable Infinitely scrollable PasteupMorph

2014-09-16 Thread Sean P. DeNigris
On Sep 16, 2014, at 7:59 AM, S Krish [via Smalltalk] ml-node+s1294792n4778316...@n4.nabble.com wrote: I am sure it will be lot more involved beyond a point to make everything contained zoomable, text editor: text / image , other compositions , layouts being honored properly.. Yes I assume

Re: [Pharo-users] Zoomable Infinitely scrollable PasteupMorph

2014-09-16 Thread Thierry Goubier
For infinitely zoomable interface, an old body of work and research on the possibilities is Pad++ [http://www.cs.umd.edu/hcil/pad++/] . Parcplace did some stuff too. Squeak seemed to have something at one point. Thierry 2014-09-16 15:09 GMT+02:00 Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com: On

Re: [Pharo-users] Zoomable Infinitely scrollable PasteupMorph

2014-09-16 Thread Alexandre Bergel
In the word “submorph” there are two important parts. “sub” and “morph”. Roassal support subelements, but only one morph is around, the trachel morph that contains all the drawing. Why staying in Morphic? Morphic does not scale well, does not have layout, and morphs are hardly composable with

Re: [Pharo-users] Zoomable Infinitely scrollable PasteupMorph

2014-09-16 Thread Sean P. DeNigris
On Sep 16, 2014, at 12:08 PM, abergel [via Smalltalk] ml-node+s1294792n4778404...@n4.nabble.com wrote: Why staying in Morphic? I want a morph with all the existing capabilities of a WorldMorph, that also has zooming and infinite scrolling. Is this easily possible via Roassal/Trachel? -

Re: [Pharo-users] Zoomable Infinitely scrollable PasteupMorph

2014-09-16 Thread Alexandre Bergel
Here is an example: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | v | v := RTView new. v @ RTZoomableView. v add: (RTLabel new elementOn: 'Scroll your mouse wheel while hovering cursor over the view to zoom it'). v -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Re: [Pharo-users] Zoomable Infinitely scrollable PasteupMorph

2014-09-16 Thread Sean P. DeNigris
On Sep 16, 2014, at 12:20 PM, abergel [via Smalltalk] ml-node+s1294792n477840...@n4.nabble.com wrote: Zooming is not infinite here Zooming wouldn't need to be, only scrolling e.g. an infinitely large world viewed through a small viewport - Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context:

Re: [Pharo-users] Zoomable Infinitely scrollable PasteupMorph

2014-09-16 Thread Denis Kudriashov
Hi. Do you think Roassal can replace Morphic at all? 2014-09-16 20:07 GMT+04:00 Alexandre Bergel alexandre.ber...@me.com: In the word “submorph” there are two important parts. “sub” and “morph”. Roassal support subelements, but only one morph is around, the trachel morph that contains all

Re: [Pharo-users] Zoomable Infinitely scrollable PasteupMorph

2014-09-15 Thread Sean P. DeNigris
Sean P. DeNigris wrote I see the GT playground seems to have something like this for the Roassal previews... Although digging a bit, I see that the sub-objects are not true Morphs, so it seems that particular approach is not applicable... - Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context:

Re: [Pharo-users] Zoomable Infinitely scrollable PasteupMorph

2014-09-15 Thread Alexandre Bergel
Hi! Can you describe a bit more what you need? In Roassal, you do not have submorph, but do you really need them? Alexandre Le 15-09-2014 à 20:18, Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com a écrit : Sean P. DeNigris wrote I see the GT playground seems to have something like this for the