Re: [Pharo-users] I18n in pharo

2017-11-11 Thread Stephane Ducasse
Hi torsten Thanks for your summary. I was lost with all the efforts around. Two points: - I do not think that Pharo IDE should be multilingual - I would love to have one or two strong solutions for Application internationalisation. Now Questions: - what do you mean by propretiary solution. The

[Pharo-users] RewriteTool maintained?

2017-11-11 Thread Peter Uhnák
Hi, has Mark Rizun's Rewrite Tool been abandoned? Thanks, Peter

[Pharo-users] Why is compile: breaking my image?

2017-11-11 Thread Peter Uhnák
This applies to P61 (for some time) and P7. Object compile: '^'. Syntax Error popup -> close now you have two morphic UI processes running and World starts to get corrupted with artifacts around. (and it also in one case manage to actually corrupt the image to the point that I was no longer

Re: [Pharo-users] Why is compile: breaking my image?

2017-11-11 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
> On 11 Nov 2017, at 16:33, Peter Uhnák wrote: > > Never mind... I see now what is broken and I'll try to fix it (assuming my P7 > image won't corrupt itself due to FreeType before I manage to push the > changes... heh) You can now disable FreeType fonts and still use

[Pharo-users] RB refactoring rewrite variable to a symbol

2017-11-11 Thread Peter Uhnák
Hi, how can I rewrite a(n instance) variable to a symbol? E.g. [IN] something: aSomething something := aSomething [OUT] something: aSomething self write: aSomething into: #something I can capute the input just fine... ``@var := ``@arg but I have no idea how to convert the var into a

Re: [Pharo-users] I18n in pharo

2017-11-11 Thread Stephane Ducasse
tx hiliare for the feedback. On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Hilaire wrote: > You can go with http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~PharoExtras/Gettext > > For non latin language you will have to provide extra font at load time. > > It works fine on DrGeo based on P3, wtih Latin,

Re: [Pharo-users] Soup bug(fix)

2017-11-11 Thread Alistair Grant
On 9 November 2017 at 00:00, Kjell Godo wrote: > i like to collect some newspaper comics from an online newspaper > but it takes really long to do it by hand by hand > i tried Soup but i didn’t get anywhere > the pictures were hidden behind a script or something >

Re: [Pharo-users] I18n in pharo

2017-11-11 Thread Stephane Ducasse
Hilaire I think that Pharo is getting a lot more modular. Do you imagine that we can reload Morphic? That we have a minimal image that does not rely on the compiler? and that we can reload the compiler, SUnit and more. We will start another pass because we will run an experience to get

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoLauncher directories

2017-11-11 Thread Alistair Grant
On 9 November 2017 at 10:18, Guillermo Polito wrote: > > An analysis of the situation so people out of context can understand better > the forces in play here :) > > - Working directory and files constant property: files defined using a > *relative path* are created

Re: [Pharo-users] Unable to load SmaCC on pharo6 (or pharo5)

2017-11-11 Thread Stephane Ducasse
>> >> Hi thierry >> >> we are working and soon we will have a much simpler installation and >> everything :) > > > Out of a minimal image? That would be very cool. Uh? The problem is latex and not Pharo here. Guille removes the need for makefiles and clean the archetypes we will be able to move

Re: [Pharo-users] About implementing a "Mini Pillar" in-image renderer for Pharo ...

2017-11-11 Thread Stephane Ducasse
Hannes We will start to repackage pillar model so finding a mini pillar is interesting to us. Let let us know. Stef On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 7:51 AM, Tudor Girba wrote: > Hi, > > >> On Nov 10, 2017, at 9:20 PM, Sean P. DeNigris wrote: >> >> Tudor

Re: [Pharo-users] Why is compile: breaking my image?

2017-11-11 Thread Peter Uhnák
Never mind... I see now what is broken and I'll try to fix it (assuming my P7 image won't corrupt itself due to FreeType before I manage to push the changes... heh) On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Peter Uhnák wrote: > This applies to P61 (for some time) and P7. > > Object

Re: [Pharo-users] I18n in pharo

2017-11-11 Thread Pavel Krivanek
2017-11-11 12:16 GMT+01:00 Stephane Ducasse : > Hi Pavel > > Does it make sense to have loaded by default? > I'm not sure. For Pharo itself it does not make sense to be translated but the applications can use some standard Pharo services like inform/confirm dialogs, file

Re: [Pharo-users] I18n in pharo

2017-11-11 Thread Stephane Ducasse
Marcus translate is incomplete and I would not focus on translating Pharo. I would prefer to improve the self documentation in english. Let us concentrate where we can get better. Stef On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 11:20 AM, Marcus Denker wrote: > > > On 10 Nov 2017, at 11:18,

Re: [Pharo-users] RB refactoring rewrite variable to a symbol

2017-11-11 Thread Thierry Goubier
Hi Peter, Hi Peter, you should try {:node :dic | ... } to handle that. Something like: RBParseTreeRewriter new replace: '`@var `{:node :dic | dic at: #varName put: node name} := `@arg' with: 'self write: `@arg into: `{:dic | RBParser parseExpression: ''#'',

Re: [Pharo-users] About implementing a "Mini Pillar" in-image renderer for Pharo ...

2017-11-11 Thread Sean P. DeNigris
Tudor Girba-2 wrote > That would be another renderer, but it is not difficult to build. That is > something we’ll do soon. It would be nice to be able to toggle codes on/off like WS Word - Cheers, Sean -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo-users Digest, Vol 55, Issue 94

2017-11-11 Thread Bernardo Ezequiel Contreras
check esugboard channel in youtube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCO-vBhaKVZf0al-ISMMPvRw On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 6:29 PM, Викентий Потапов wrote: > > I want to get these esug videos, but i've searched through the whole pharo > site and i haven't found them ... :(

Re: [Pharo-users] deployment of pharo applications

2017-11-11 Thread Sean P. DeNigris
Pavel Krivanek-3 wrote > The recent step was an insclusion of tests that will > reject any pull request that makes new package dependencies between system > layers. Thanks for this :) - Cheers, Sean -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo-users Digest, Vol 55, Issue 94

2017-11-11 Thread jtuc...@objektfabrik.de
Am 11.11.17 um 22:29 schrieb Викентий Потапов: Vikenti, And also i mean some simple and understandable deployment tool (as in Cincom VW exists) but not manual-written bash scripts. This tool asks me what class\accessor send open message, asks what to strip and how to pack my image. Few

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo-users Digest, Vol 55, Issue 94

2017-11-11 Thread jtuc...@objektfabrik.de
Am 11.11.17 um 22:29 schrieb Викентий Потапов: I want to get these esug videos, but i've searched through the whole pharo site and i haven't found them ... :( ESUG and Pharo are still two separate entities, both legally and from the perspective of their goals. The ESUG conference was run by

[Pharo-users] deployment of pharo applications

2017-11-11 Thread Викентий Потапов
Well, i've got very extensive feedback for i18n of applications, there are few solutions i can use, despite there is no united way embedded into pharo view on application design. That's ok, i can do something for my one taste (i prefer it to be a part of SPEC framework or something like this).

Re: [Pharo-users] deployment of pharo applications

2017-11-11 Thread stephan
On 11-11-17 18:58, Викентий Потапов wrote: Another stumbling block is application deployment. You want to start from a minimal image and load everything you need with a Metacello baseline/configuration. And you want to change some settings to run without sources. You will run into parts that

Re: [Pharo-users] I18n in pharo

2017-11-11 Thread stephan
On 11-11-17 21:18, H. Hirzel wrote: On 11/11/17, stephan wrote: On 10-11-17 12:23, Cédrick Béler wrote: Plus I have the impression Morphic mess is about to be solved. There is still an awful lot of essential complexity in beautiful graphics and typography that is not going

Re: [Pharo-users] RB refactoring rewrite variable to a symbol

2017-11-11 Thread werner kassens
Hi Peter, i assume from your question "RewriteTool maintained?" that you want to make a RBTransformationRule, right? if yes, i once had a similar problem and overwrote only #checkMethod: checkMethod: aMethod     | arg |     arg := aMethod argumentNames first asString.     self initialize.     self

Re: [Pharo-users] I18n in pharo

2017-11-11 Thread stephan
On 10-11-17 12:23, Cédrick Béler wrote: Plus I have the impression Morphic mess is about to be solved. There is still an awful lot of essential complexity in beautiful graphics and typography that is not going away. Microsoft Word still cannot layout a paragraph of text after 34 years of

Re: [Pharo-users] I18n in pharo

2017-11-11 Thread H. Hirzel
On 11/11/17, stephan wrote: > On 10-11-17 12:23, Cédrick Béler wrote: >> Plus I have the impression Morphic mess is about to be solved. > > There is still an awful lot of essential complexity in beautiful > graphics and typography that is not going away. Microsoft Word still >

Re: [Pharo-users] deployment of pharo applications

2017-11-11 Thread Hilaire
Le 11/11/2017 à 18:58, Викентий Потапов a écrit : Well, i've got very extensive feedback for i18n of applications, there are few You should use the gettext package from PharoExtra, this is the one Seaside developers maintain. I don't understand why there are alternative repo for it... [..]

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo-users Digest, Vol 55, Issue 94

2017-11-11 Thread Викентий Потапов
I want to get these esug videos, but i've searched through the whole pharo site and i haven't found them ... :( I appreciate if you point me where to find help on working with minimal image\deploying with Pharo. And i also think this very important information should be available on pharo

Re: [Pharo-users] I18n in pharo

2017-11-11 Thread Hilaire
P6 is definitely a better IDE compare to previous version, and for coming Calypso looks fantastic, but P6 is a worst vehicle for a desktop application. There is much more code included and you are on your on to shrink/clean it to deploy your desktop application to make it looks and behave user

Re: [Pharo-users] deployment of pharo applications

2017-11-11 Thread Pavel Krivanek
2017-11-11 21:42 GMT+01:00 Hilaire : > Le 11/11/2017 à 18:58, Викентий Потапов a écrit : > >> Well, i've got very extensive feedback for i18n of applications, there >> are few >> > You should use the gettext package from PharoExtra, this is the one > Seaside developers maintain.

Re: [Pharo-users] I18n in pharo

2017-11-11 Thread Stephane Ducasse
Hi Pavel Does it make sense to have loaded by default? Stef On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 8:05 AM, Pavel Krivanek wrote: > > > 2017-11-09 23:50 GMT+01:00 Esteban Lorenzano : >> >> I think this is two different problems: >> >> 1. pharo itself supporting

Re: [Pharo-users] I18n in pharo

2017-11-11 Thread Stephane Ducasse
> > It’s quite a moving target with so many fundamental changes (GIT being one, > Bootstrap another huge one). I would not call it moving target. The API changes slowly and we deprecate most of them. > But I have the opposite impression (of course I don’t have to maintain a big > project

Re: [Pharo-users] Unable to load SmaCC on pharo6 (or pharo5)

2017-11-11 Thread Thierry Goubier
Hi Steff, Le 10/11/2017 à 19:17, Stephane Ducasse a écrit : Hi thierry we are working and soon we will have a much simpler installation and everything :) Out of a minimal image? That would be very cool. Now just commit and I will check and fix :) I committed, created a pull request and

Re: [Pharo-users] I18n in pharo

2017-11-11 Thread Andrew Glynn
There’s an online translation service for XLIff files (well, there’s quite a few but most I’ve found use human translators, and as a result cost a fair bit). It’s not free either, but for 2-3 languages it’s relatively reasonable at $19/mo., and a couple of months’ subscription would allow for