I am not a professional programmer, nor am I young, nor a graybeard. :)
I found Smalltalk about 1999 in the form of Squeak. My biggest problems
have been not in learning Smalltalk. But rather some of the projects I
wanted to do needed to interface without outside libraries. Because I
always
Thanks Jose, Sean and Steph,
I think that this is an important conversation, so here are my two
cents. It started small but suddenly it became long, so thanks in
advance for those who read it all. May be I'm giving the details Steph
asked for (may be to many details :-P).
For my Smalltalk
What I think we miss here, is the generation of the users adopting
Pharo/Smalltalk.
For many developers over they 30's (like me), when I show them Pharo or
tell them about what/how it does some stuff, they get curious and/or try
it. They might even learnt Smalltalk back at the university.
Usually
Excerpts from Esteban A. Maringolo's message of 2015-07-23 16:51:10 +0200:
What I think we miss here, is the generation of the users adopting
Pharo/Smalltalk.
For many developers over they 30's (like me), when I show them Pharo or
tell them about what/how it does some stuff, they get curious
On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 4:51 PM, Esteban A. Maringolo emaring...@gmail.com
wrote:
When I talk to new programmers (20-25 years old), almost all of them
don't get attracted by it.
Why? I couldn't tell. Mainly because they can't use the few tools/patterns
they already learnt how to, barely, use.
totally. it is exactly the feeling i have about smalltalk and lisp.
i learned both because i wanted to know if the newer languages everyone is
using are really any better. i'd expected that they would learn and improve
over older languages. but i had to discover that that's not the case.
i
Hi esteban
we need to be much much better one talking to external libraries.
Our esteban is working on it.
Stef
Le 23/7/15 18:52, Esteban A. Maringolo a écrit :
Peter,
At your joung age you might have very good reasons to have chosen
Pharo over anything else as I did a lot of years ago. I
for me as a beginner a big turn off was the quality of documentation and my
fear that third party libraries will not be that well supported because of
the size of the community meaning more bugs less features etc. It was
certainly a much bigger struggle learning pharo than learning python.
After
Peter,
At your joung age you might have very good reasons to have chosen Pharo
over anything else as I did a lot of years ago. I discovered Smaltalk by
chance when I was 21 years old and already had my years developing with
Perl and was starting to learn Java. Fortunately I started making a living
Hi jose
Thanks for this interesting testimony.
Le 21/7/15 12:08, Jose San Leandro a écrit :
If an opinion from a newcomer is useful, I'm not so obsessed about how
popular Smalltalk is.
I came to Smalltalk because a friend of mine (Rafa Luque) was
enthusiastic about it, and suggested me to
Jose San Leandro wrote
If an opinion from a newcomer is useful, I'm not so obsessed about how
popular Smalltalk is.
Very useful, and not just a newbie opinion. On the Amber list, Richard Eng,
who is working to make Smalltalk mainstream, was disappointed by his blog
post stats. I responded in
On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 12:27 AM, Martin Bähr
mba...@email.archlab.tuwien.ac.at wrote:
Excerpts from S Krish's message of 2015-07-20 17:47:50 +0200:
Check out this amazing TEDTalk:
Bill Gross: The single biggest reason why startups succeed
http://on.ted.com/h15YB
meh.
read the transcript if
If an opinion from a newcomer is useful, I'm not so obsessed about how
popular Smalltalk is.
I came to Smalltalk because a friend of mine (Rafa Luque) was enthusiastic
about it, and suggested me to try it.
The candy was not to build applications faster, but to think differently,
to question what
Hi Jose,
Thank you for your well written feedback. It is very important to hear a voice
like yours. It is hard to articulate why we like Pharo/Smalltalk. Like you say,
it has to do because it is so different, because we learn from it, because it
empowers us, because we feel it is a good way to
Excerpts from S Krish's message of 2015-07-20 17:47:50 +0200:
Check out this amazing TEDTalk:
Bill Gross: The single biggest reason why startups succeed
http://on.ted.com/h15YB
meh.
read the transcript if you want to save the time,
but to save even more time, here is the summary:
The number
Martin Bähr wrote
did smalltalk miss its chance, so we should give up?
or is it still coming? glass bowl anyone?
Using Unix - which took 50 years to takeover the world - as a metric, we
should be hitting our stride in about 2030 ;)
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Cheers,
Sean
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