Re: [Pharo-users] Workflows and possible usages

2019-09-30 Thread Esteban Maringolo
Bruno, There was the MockGemstone package that created "compatible" reduced conflict classes (that provide name compatibility but no RC behavior) and other Gemstone globals (such as System) that you can use. The develop in Pharo deploy in Gemstone is used by a few projects that I'm aware of. As

Re: [Pharo-users] Workflows and possible usages

2019-09-30 Thread Smalltalk
Hi, /"There was a gemstone workflow engine - it’s not ported, it looked interesting but used a Windows bpml tool and again wasn’t sure if it wanted to own the world, and porting it would be more than I wanted to do." /I think you are talking about BpmFlow (https://github.com/brunobuzzi/BpmFlow)

Re: [Pharo-users] Workflows and possible usages

2019-09-30 Thread eftomi
Please see also http://www.workflowpatterns.com/. Historically, BPMN by itself was regarded difficult to automate. BPEL as a workflow language (Oracle SOA, Microsoft BizTalk server) can be interpreted easily by machine, but it is not so easy to learn by the people who have to model the process.

Re: [Pharo-users] Workflows and possible usages

2019-09-29 Thread Christopher Fuhrman
On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 at 11:01, Stephan Eggermont wrote: > Christopher Fuhrman > wrote: > > On Thu, 26 Sep 2019 at 04:27, Tim Mackinnon > > wrote: > >> Anyone have any thoughts or directions to explore? > > > My intuition says that most software projects don't last long enough to > > invest in a

Re: [Pharo-users] Workflows and possible usages

2019-09-29 Thread eftomi
> Anyone have any thoughts or directions to explore? The main assumption about workflows is that they are easily understood by non-developers, and that non-developers can be involved in the development, within business environments. However, the workflows per-se were not accepted well. For

Re: [Pharo-users] Workflows and possible usages

2019-09-29 Thread Stephan Eggermont
Christopher Fuhrman wrote: > On Thu, 26 Sep 2019 at 04:27, Tim Mackinnon > wrote: >> Anyone have any thoughts or directions to explore? > My intuition says that most software projects don't last long enough to > invest in a general solution to supporting workflows. So, is there a causal

Re: [Pharo-users] Workflows and possible usages

2019-09-27 Thread Christopher Fuhrman
On Thu, 26 Sep 2019 at 04:27, Tim Mackinnon wrote: > > Anyone have any thoughts or directions to explore? > My contribution is very academic, and not really my field of expertise (we evaluated a BPML/BPMN tool about 10 years ago which I think is dead now). The conference paper from 2016 at

Re: [Pharo-users] Workflows and possible usages

2019-09-27 Thread Norbert Hartl
> Am 27.09.2019 um 10:10 schrieb Tim Mackinnon : > > If this does become of interest to anyone, I had a quick look at the workflow > landscape in Pharo and found it rather unfathomable - Netsyle seems very > comprehensive but complicated and lacking syntactic sugar to make it easy to > just

Re: [Pharo-users] Workflows and possible usages

2019-09-27 Thread Tim Mackinnon
If this does become of interest to anyone, I had a quick look at the workflow landscape in Pharo and found it rather unfathomable - Netsyle seems very comprehensive but complicated and lacking syntactic sugar to make it easy to just pick up and run with. It’s reified up the hilt, so simple

[Pharo-users] Workflows and possible usages

2019-09-26 Thread Tim Mackinnon
Hi everyone, in my day job I encountered an interesting domain problem that a previous java team has made a bit of a hash of ... I thought it might be interesting to model it in Pharo to help explain it better to a new team and I was interested in community thoughts as we have some of the