[Pharo-users] drawing morphs with athens
Hi! Thank you for all the suggestions. I looked more closely at Roassal and it seems that it might have everything we would need. Basically the next step in the project is to create extensible drawing tool for modelling languages (UML/Petri nets/what have you), so we need to be able to draw any arbitrary shapes and their compositions (e.g. UML StateMachine composite state might have plethora of subelements). So If I understand correctly Roassal/Trachel should be able to provide us with everything at the visual layer or it is possible to (easily) extend it and add custom shapes. Yes! Feel free to ask questions, in this mailing or in some other about Roassal. We will try to provide all the support you need. Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
Re: [Pharo-users] drawing morphs with athens
Thank you for all the suggestions. I looked more closely at Roassal and it seems that it might have everything we would need. Basically the next step in the project is to create extensible drawing tool for modelling languages (UML/Petri nets/what have you), so we need to be able to draw any arbitrary shapes and their compositions (e.g. UML StateMachine composite state might have plethora of subelements). So If I understand correctly Roassal/Trachel should be able to provide us with everything at the visual layer or it is possible to (easily) extend it and add custom shapes. Peter On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 1:27 PM, Nicolai Hess nicolaih...@web.de wrote: 2014-07-06 9:54 GMT+02:00 stepharo steph...@free.fr: Hi peter I hope that igor will see your mail now I will try to reply and this may be a bit wrong :) Hello, I'm currently working on drawing engine (à la Squeak Connectors) as a part of school project and have a couple of questions about Morphs and Athens and would be grateful if someone could enlighten me. What is the difference between Morph#drawOn: and Morph#drawOnAthensCanvas: if I draw on AthensCairoSurface? Should I always use the latter or will there be switch to the former once everything is rendered using Athens? AthensWrapMorph fullDrawOn method will call its submorphs drawOn: method with an AthensCanvas. Now, if you have an AthensCanvas (from the AthensWrapMorph) and your own Morph does not implement drawOnAthensCanvas, then Morph#drawOnAthensCanvas is called which just draws an rectangle from your Morphs bound. For example, put a PolygonMorph on an AthensWrapMorph. It is drawn as a rectangle, because PolygonMorph does not know (yet) how to draw itself with athens. If you have new a Morph that is just container of other Morphs than you don't need to change anything. Just make sure your toplevel Morph is wrapped by an AthensWrapMorph. But If you have a Morph, that subclasses another Morph that overrides drawOnAthensCanvas, you'll have to reimplent this as well. For example, MenuItemMorph subclasses StringMorph and StringMorph implements its own drawOnAthensCanvas. If you put a MenuMorph in a AthensWrapMorph it will be drawn like a plain StringMorph not like a MenuItemMorph (without icons and arrows for submenus etc). One of the idea is that you have a wrappingMorph that convert the Morphic to Athens drawing. This way you can use athens and still be in a non athens world, then we will switch to athens you will just have to unwrap your (athensihed morph). Now about the granularity question it depends, what I would do is to have one wrapper and be in a athens world. Did you check the trachel layer in Roassal? I may be wrong, but I think we have to be carefull that not everyone invents its own draw on athens layer. I would suggest: - build it on top of roassal / trachel, i.e. draw always with athens. - build it as Morphs and implement drawOnAthensCanvs if needed. Nicolai What would be good is that - you define drawOnAthensCanvas: for all the shapes you need and we integrate them into Pharo - like that slowly we will get ready to switch to Athens Should AthensMorphWrap be around every morphic element or just the top level? i.e. CanvasMorph (owner of the surface) will have a single submorph AthensMorphWrap which will then hold all the morphs (EllipsisMorph, RectangleMorph, ...) which are being drawn on the canvas. I think so. This is what Roassal is doing. Please keep us aware of your progress and do not hesitate to ask questions and we are REALLY interested in your project So if you have athens draw on method please send them to us. Stef Thanks, Peter
Re: [Pharo-users] drawing morphs with athens
Yes. It should be the platform you need. Doru On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Peter Uhnák i.uh...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you for all the suggestions. I looked more closely at Roassal and it seems that it might have everything we would need. Basically the next step in the project is to create extensible drawing tool for modelling languages (UML/Petri nets/what have you), so we need to be able to draw any arbitrary shapes and their compositions (e.g. UML StateMachine composite state might have plethora of subelements). So If I understand correctly Roassal/Trachel should be able to provide us with everything at the visual layer or it is possible to (easily) extend it and add custom shapes. Peter On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 1:27 PM, Nicolai Hess nicolaih...@web.de wrote: 2014-07-06 9:54 GMT+02:00 stepharo steph...@free.fr: Hi peter I hope that igor will see your mail now I will try to reply and this may be a bit wrong :) Hello, I'm currently working on drawing engine (à la Squeak Connectors) as a part of school project and have a couple of questions about Morphs and Athens and would be grateful if someone could enlighten me. What is the difference between Morph#drawOn: and Morph#drawOnAthensCanvas: if I draw on AthensCairoSurface? Should I always use the latter or will there be switch to the former once everything is rendered using Athens? AthensWrapMorph fullDrawOn method will call its submorphs drawOn: method with an AthensCanvas. Now, if you have an AthensCanvas (from the AthensWrapMorph) and your own Morph does not implement drawOnAthensCanvas, then Morph#drawOnAthensCanvas is called which just draws an rectangle from your Morphs bound. For example, put a PolygonMorph on an AthensWrapMorph. It is drawn as a rectangle, because PolygonMorph does not know (yet) how to draw itself with athens. If you have new a Morph that is just container of other Morphs than you don't need to change anything. Just make sure your toplevel Morph is wrapped by an AthensWrapMorph. But If you have a Morph, that subclasses another Morph that overrides drawOnAthensCanvas, you'll have to reimplent this as well. For example, MenuItemMorph subclasses StringMorph and StringMorph implements its own drawOnAthensCanvas. If you put a MenuMorph in a AthensWrapMorph it will be drawn like a plain StringMorph not like a MenuItemMorph (without icons and arrows for submenus etc). One of the idea is that you have a wrappingMorph that convert the Morphic to Athens drawing. This way you can use athens and still be in a non athens world, then we will switch to athens you will just have to unwrap your (athensihed morph). Now about the granularity question it depends, what I would do is to have one wrapper and be in a athens world. Did you check the trachel layer in Roassal? I may be wrong, but I think we have to be carefull that not everyone invents its own draw on athens layer. I would suggest: - build it on top of roassal / trachel, i.e. draw always with athens. - build it as Morphs and implement drawOnAthensCanvs if needed. Nicolai What would be good is that - you define drawOnAthensCanvas: for all the shapes you need and we integrate them into Pharo - like that slowly we will get ready to switch to Athens Should AthensMorphWrap be around every morphic element or just the top level? i.e. CanvasMorph (owner of the surface) will have a single submorph AthensMorphWrap which will then hold all the morphs (EllipsisMorph, RectangleMorph, ...) which are being drawn on the canvas. I think so. This is what Roassal is doing. Please keep us aware of your progress and do not hesitate to ask questions and we are REALLY interested in your project So if you have athens draw on method please send them to us. Stef Thanks, Peter -- www.tudorgirba.com Every thing has its own flow
Re: [Pharo-users] drawing morphs with athens
Hi peter I hope that igor will see your mail now I will try to reply and this may be a bit wrong :) Hello, I'm currently working on drawing engine (à la Squeak Connectors) as a part of school project and have a couple of questions about Morphs and Athens and would be grateful if someone could enlighten me. What is the difference between Morph#drawOn: and Morph#drawOnAthensCanvas: if I draw on AthensCairoSurface? Should I always use the latter or will there be switch to the former once everything is rendered using Athens? One of the idea is that you have a wrappingMorph that convert the Morphic to Athens drawing. This way you can use athens and still be in a non athens world, then we will switch to athens you will just have to unwrap your (athensihed morph). Now about the granularity question it depends, what I would do is to have one wrapper and be in a athens world. Did you check the trachel layer in Roassal? What would be good is that - you define drawOnAthensCanvas: for all the shapes you need and we integrate them into Pharo - like that slowly we will get ready to switch to Athens Should AthensMorphWrap be around every morphic element or just the top level? i.e. CanvasMorph (owner of the surface) will have a single submorph AthensMorphWrap which will then hold all the morphs (EllipsisMorph, RectangleMorph, ...) which are being drawn on the canvas. I think so. This is what Roassal is doing. Please keep us aware of your progress and do not hesitate to ask questions and we are REALLY interested in your project. So if you have athens draw on method please send them to us. Stef Thanks, Peter
Re: [Pharo-users] drawing morphs with athens
As a source of inspiration you should take a look to DrGeo canvas, in the class category DrGeoII-Core-Item-View Hilaire Le 05/07/2014 23:56, Peter Uhnák a écrit : I'm currently working on drawing engine (à la Squeak Connectors) as a part of school project and have a couple of questions about Morphs and Athens and would be grateful if someone could enlighten me. -- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu iStoa - https://launchpad.net/istoa
Re: [Pharo-users] drawing morphs with athens
2014-07-06 9:54 GMT+02:00 stepharo steph...@free.fr: Hi peter I hope that igor will see your mail now I will try to reply and this may be a bit wrong :) Hello, I'm currently working on drawing engine (à la Squeak Connectors) as a part of school project and have a couple of questions about Morphs and Athens and would be grateful if someone could enlighten me. What is the difference between Morph#drawOn: and Morph#drawOnAthensCanvas: if I draw on AthensCairoSurface? Should I always use the latter or will there be switch to the former once everything is rendered using Athens? AthensWrapMorph fullDrawOn method will call its submorphs drawOn: method with an AthensCanvas. Now, if you have an AthensCanvas (from the AthensWrapMorph) and your own Morph does not implement drawOnAthensCanvas, then Morph#drawOnAthensCanvas is called which just draws an rectangle from your Morphs bound. For example, put a PolygonMorph on an AthensWrapMorph. It is drawn as a rectangle, because PolygonMorph does not know (yet) how to draw itself with athens. If you have new a Morph that is just container of other Morphs than you don't need to change anything. Just make sure your toplevel Morph is wrapped by an AthensWrapMorph. But If you have a Morph, that subclasses another Morph that overrides drawOnAthensCanvas, you'll have to reimplent this as well. For example, MenuItemMorph subclasses StringMorph and StringMorph implements its own drawOnAthensCanvas. If you put a MenuMorph in a AthensWrapMorph it will be drawn like a plain StringMorph not like a MenuItemMorph (without icons and arrows for submenus etc). One of the idea is that you have a wrappingMorph that convert the Morphic to Athens drawing. This way you can use athens and still be in a non athens world, then we will switch to athens you will just have to unwrap your (athensihed morph). Now about the granularity question it depends, what I would do is to have one wrapper and be in a athens world. Did you check the trachel layer in Roassal? I may be wrong, but I think we have to be carefull that not everyone invents its own draw on athens layer. I would suggest: - build it on top of roassal / trachel, i.e. draw always with athens. - build it as Morphs and implement drawOnAthensCanvs if needed. Nicolai What would be good is that - you define drawOnAthensCanvas: for all the shapes you need and we integrate them into Pharo - like that slowly we will get ready to switch to Athens Should AthensMorphWrap be around every morphic element or just the top level? i.e. CanvasMorph (owner of the surface) will have a single submorph AthensMorphWrap which will then hold all the morphs (EllipsisMorph, RectangleMorph, ...) which are being drawn on the canvas. I think so. This is what Roassal is doing. Please keep us aware of your progress and do not hesitate to ask questions and we are REALLY interested in your project So if you have athens draw on method please send them to us. Stef Thanks, Peter
[Pharo-users] drawing morphs with athens
Hello, I'm currently working on drawing engine (à la Squeak Connectors) as a part of school project and have a couple of questions about Morphs and Athens and would be grateful if someone could enlighten me. What is the difference between Morph#drawOn: and Morph#drawOnAthensCanvas: if I draw on AthensCairoSurface? Should I always use the latter or will there be switch to the former once everything is rendered using Athens? Should AthensMorphWrap be around every morphic element or just the top level? i.e. CanvasMorph (owner of the surface) will have a single submorph AthensMorphWrap which will then hold all the morphs (EllipsisMorph, RectangleMorph, ...) which are being drawn on the canvas. Thanks, Peter
