[Phono-L] 45rpm players from the late 30's??

2006-12-27 Thread Robert Wright
- Original Message - From: Douglas Houston cdh...@earthlink.net RCA actually startede the 45 system in 1939, and had it pretty well ready for production during the war, but couldn't do anything with it then. Is there any readily available material I can study on this subject? The

[Phono-L] Standard Speakers Early Recorders and Automatic Reproducers

2006-12-27 Thread clockworkh...@aol.com
Hi Steve: I have an early recorder with a serial number just over 91,000. It is my opinion that since Edison never threw anything out the earlier Standard Speaker bodies were simply adapted to become the recorders and the Automatics. The arm was then labeled RECORDER or REPRODUCER and

[Phono-L] Vic IV Advice

2006-12-27 Thread DeeDee Blais
I can't help with the horn restoration but I can offer some good advice on the cabinet refinish. If the case is going to be refinished, please please please fill the grain. A mahogany phonograph should have a piano finish. When light is reflected off the finished surface, it should look as

[Phono-L] GOW finish

2006-12-27 Thread bkasindorf
Hi, I saw this referred to on Ebay. It was an oak XVI and the seller said it had the Golder Oak Waxonly finish. I had not heard of this before. I have a few oak Victors of that period that the finish has deteriorated on. If all it takes the right kind of wax to refinish it I can easily do that

[Phono-L] Vic IV Advice

2006-12-27 Thread john robles
I agree. I once had a Vic VI which was 'Farmerized' by Steve Farmer. It was a gorgeous piece of woodwork with that smooth grain. I want this machine to be a showpiece, so I am gonna go the extra mile to get it that way. J DeeDee Blais deedeebl...@yahoo.com wrote: I can't help with the horn

[Phono-L] Need Some Advice on a damaged Victor MG horn

2006-12-27 Thread Rich
Yes, they can work steel as well as brass and other common metals. I have had big silk covered concert horns straightened. It is the way to go. Do not try and fix it yourself, it will only increase the final cost. Rich On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 22:56:30 -0800 (PST), john robles wrote: Can

[Phono-L] 45rpm players from the late 30's??

2006-12-27 Thread Rich
I posted a source for the article on the early pre war development of the 45 format. Both organizations that I referenced have web sites and the AWA has a large museum. You should probably contact ARC first as I think it was in their publication. Then contact the author directly. Rich On

[Phono-L] Need Some Advice on a damaged Victor MG horn

2006-12-27 Thread George
I do not want to sound negative, but the post office will probably decline your claim anyway. In my experiences they will want to take procession of the item and you may or may not get it back. I had a situation a couple of years ago where a claim was denied because of the way in which the

[Phono-L] Need Some Advice on a damaged Victor MG horn

2006-12-27 Thread Rich
Well, your post office experiences mirror mine. I have had a claim rejected even when the packaging was more than adequate. I will add this little hint though, if it is something you really want to arrive in one piece then send it through REGISTERED mail. You will not be disappointed. The

[Phono-L] The List and Excitment about phonographs

2006-12-27 Thread Walt
Hi Rob, I was also about 11. 4-spring motors work very well as hoists for GI Joe and records were always more fun than the Wham-O 109 gram Frisbee because they [the records] exploded on impact. :-) -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org

[Phono-L] The List and Excitment about phonographs

2006-12-27 Thread bruce78rpm
I was about 6 or 7 years old when my father, who dabbled in used furniture, brought home an Edison Diamond Disc machine loaded with 1/4 thick diamond discs. I learned how to operate the mechanism and spent many a rainy afternoons out on the front porch playing those odd sounding records. My

[Phono-L] GOW finish

2006-12-27 Thread bkasindorf
Thanks, But does this mean it was previously stripped and this kind of finish added later? Did Victor ever ship a phono with this kind of finish from the factory? -Barry On Wed, 27 Dec 2006 09:22:18 -0600, Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com wrote: Google is a wonderful invention. Try this, URL:

[Phono-L] GOW finish

2006-12-27 Thread Rich
From another poster there is the possibility that the original finish was wax. The composition of the wax formula is the question however. Were the wood pores filled? There are a lot of questions about a finish described as only wax as to what it really was. There is a finihing formula

[Phono-L] The List and Excitment about phonographs

2006-12-27 Thread zonophone2...@aol.com
hi all i bought my first machine back in 1963 it was a victrola table model for 5 dollars i was going to buy a edison standard but the price was 10 dollars and at thirteen that was a lot of money then lol happy new year to all zono From a...@popyrus.com Wed Dec 27 13:46:57 2006 From:

[Phono-L] 45rpm players from the late 30's??

2006-12-27 Thread Douglas Houston
The whole 45 story is long and sort of convoluted, but it's all in a book by Phil Vourtsis, in New Jersey. He did it a few years ago, and if you go to: http://app.infopia.com/Shop/Control/fp/user/Shop/Control/Product/fp/vpid/652 767/vpcsid/0, you'll see all about it. There are pictures of the

[Phono-L] 45rpm players from the late 30's??

2006-12-27 Thread Douglas Houston
One other comment I forgot to mention. If anything exists from the 45 development days, it'll be in the Sarnoff library in Princeton, NJ. Alex Magoun is the guy to check with on it. He's the best authority on RCA history, and one of the swellest guys you'll ever meet. [Original Message] From:

[Phono-L] The List and Excitment about phonographs

2006-12-27 Thread Douglas Houston
I guess I'm different. The famly had a Victrola XI in fumed oak that dated from about 1919. There were about 65 records with it, and in 1937 or so, my mom showed me how to play the thing. I'd spend hours, playing those records. Mom couldn't figure out how I could enjoy that old music, and I never

[Phono-L] GOW finish

2006-12-27 Thread Sean Miller
Howard's Destroy-A-Finish??? Walt, I'm curious why you say that because I have had some very good luck with Howard products (including that) on a few otherwise hopeless machines I've owned (or still own - it brought my 10-50 back to life and it still stuns me to remember the before) Can you

[Phono-L] Need Some Advice on a damaged Victor MG horn

2006-12-27 Thread Rich
Steve: If you will go to the USPS web site and read the US Mail Manual sections relating to registered mail and how it is handled you will find that either you did not send it REGISTERED or you were flat out lied to. IF you have a REGISTERED MAIL receipt then you can collect and registered

[Phono-L] GOW finish

2006-12-27 Thread Rich
Walt: Do you happen to know the actual wax formula that Victor used? Rich On Wed, 27 Dec 2006 19:05:13 -0500, Walt wrote: For those machines that I refer to by personal experience, it is clearly the case that the finish came as Golden Oak Waxed directly from the factory. The data in Look for

[Phono-L] GOW finish

2006-12-27 Thread Walt
In order for wax (whether plant derived carnauba or beeswax) to be easily spread it must be emulsified. That is why wax, when referring to a finishing product, is a compound. Mineral spirits are probably one of the most common ingredients. Have you ever seen what carnauba looks like in its raw

[Phono-L] The List and Excitment about phonographs

2006-12-27 Thread Jim Nichol
I think the key is that you were young, and didn't know that fixing things is hard. I find that many adults proudly proclaim that they have no mechanical ability! When I show them how trivially simple it is to do something like replace a bad lamp socket, it's almost like they don't want to

[Phono-L] Need Some Advice on a damaged Victor MG horn

2006-12-27 Thread Steven Medved
Rich, It was registered, it cost me $7.00 six years ago to send the letter registered mail versus the 55 cents normally it would have cost. It was a postal money order I sent to Peru and it took me almost a year to get the money order replaced, I finally spoke with a lady who told me to call

[Phono-L] Need Some Advice on a damaged Victor MG horn

2006-12-27 Thread Rich
Steve: Now I see the problem, there is no INTERNATIONAL REGISTERED mail service. There are services that are close but it depends where you are sending it. Registered mail is mostly only good inside the US Rich On Wed, 27 Dec 2006 20:18:02 -0500, Steven Medved wrote: Rich, It was

[Phono-L] Need Some Advice on a damaged Victor MG horn

2006-12-27 Thread Steven Medved
Rich, I wish the PO had people as knowledgeable as you. From aph4...@aol.com Wed Dec 27 18:22:45 2006 From: aph4...@aol.com (aph4...@aol.com) Date: Wed Dec 27 18:23:05 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] Need Some Advice on a damaged Victor MG horn Message-ID: c44.af2f2dc.32c48...@aol.com In a message

[Phono-L] Need Some Advice on a damaged Victor MG horn

2006-12-27 Thread Rich
Its simple really. Just do this any time you do not have actual first hand experience that tells you the correct answer. Lets assume we are still talking about the post office. Ask any given postal employee your question and then probe a little further to insure that they actually think

[Phono-L] Need Some Advice on a damaged Victor MG horn

2006-12-27 Thread Rich
It is up to the local postmaster to decide whether to honor the claim. If it is disallowed there are avenues of appeal but what is your time worth? I have had them promptly paid and also denied, just depends on where you are at the time. However, if you think it is worth the $7.00 and

[Phono-L] Need Some Advice on a damaged Victor MG horn

2006-12-27 Thread john robles
I have sent a letter to the seller who has not yet, of course, answered. We'll have to see if he really used that money for insurance or not! J Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote: Hi John, You should contact the Smith's, they are experts in horn restoration. When UPS damaged my horn

[Phono-L] Charter

2006-12-27 Thread john robles
Loran, your dedication and selflessness are truly appreciated. John Robles Loran Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com wrote: OK folks. After reading all the input over the last couple of days, I've decided to make a slight course correction in Phono-L's direction. Our new charter is as follows:

[Phono-L] The List and Excitment about phonographs

2006-12-27 Thread Robert Wright
I guess I got started young, comparatively, but then my earliest interest was more about records than phonographs. My granny's best friend when I was a toddler was the assistant of a program director at a Memphis radio station, and since I had appropriated all my family's records by age 3, my