Re: [Phono-L] Dearborn trip--Edison's last breath

2011-07-04 Thread Rich
I do not find it boring, please continue. On 07/04/2011 12:16 AM, Daniel Melvin wrote: Hey what about taking the argument off line? You have already made this topic pretty boring. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org

Re: [Phono-L] Dearborn trip--Edison's last breath

2011-07-04 Thread Jim Nichol
If the Ford Museum had simply said: Edison invented the first practical incandescent light bulb, I would have no problem. But it was the glee a couple of them took in saying: EDISON DID NOT INVENT THE LIGHT BULB that rubbed me the wrong way. Henry Ford would have fired both of them on the spot.

Re: [Phono-L] Dearborn trip--Edison's last breath

2011-07-04 Thread Jim Nichol
I said that Edison invented the light bulb. I don't give credit to his predecessors for inventing the light bulb, because theirs didn't work. The Patent Office requires an invention to be useful before it can be patented. Non-working attempts don't count, and in this case were disallowed by the

Re: [Phono-L] Dearborn trip

2011-07-04 Thread b...@taney.com
I think 2 days is more than enough. If you have more time check out the ford rouge works tour also Henry fords home tour. Actually driving around Detroit is interesting in itself looking at the sparkles of magnificence in the ruins. There are whole areas that are depopulated and some

Re: [Phono-L] auction fees

2011-07-04 Thread Richard Mazur
Hi Ger: Most auctions take about a 25 - 30% commission rate; however it also depends on how many phonongraphs you are planning to sell at the auction house. If you decide to sell just 1 or 10 the higher the commission rate. If you sell your whole collection like 50 or more then the commisson

Re: [Phono-L] auction fees

2011-07-04 Thread Albert Menashe
the auctions that I attend locally, charge the buyer 15%, the sales commission are negotiable based on the type merchandise, and the potential amounts realized. On smaller items (-1000) it is usually 30%. But it is totally negotiable. A whole collection valued at 500k may go for as little as

Re: [Phono-L] Dearborn trip--Edison's last breath

2011-07-04 Thread Steven Medved
However, his filament had low resistance, thus needing heavy copper wires to supply it. Jim, You are an electrical engineer, how much copper would have been necessary to provide a working low resistance lighting system for all of England? My understanding is that to employ a low resistance

Re: [Phono-L] Dearborn trip--Edison's last breath

2011-07-04 Thread b...@taney.com
Revisionist history... It is not PC to admit that any DWG (dead white guys) did anything of merit -- Bill Taney Sent From My iPad On Jul 4, 2011, at 11:28 AM, Jim Nichol jnic...@fuse.net wrote: If the Ford Museum had simply said: Edison invented the first practical incandescent light bulb,

[Phono-L] VTLA wheel casters

2011-07-04 Thread jkship
I am trying to locate a set of four ball bearing type wheel casters for an early VTLA. The part is a brass cup with a pressed on shoulder. The small end of the cup slides up into the leg of the phonograph. In the bottom of one of the cups is the remnant of a ball bearing ring. The open end of

Re: [Phono-L] Dearborn trip--Edison's last breath

2011-07-04 Thread b...@taney.com
It's kinda like those attempts at a phonograph such as recording audio on lamp black... Yeah, it had the basic theory but didn't work at the specific task that it conceptualized (I.E playing back sound. It's a fools errand to try and argue that anyone but Edison was the most significant

Re: [Phono-L] VTLA wheel casters

2011-07-04 Thread David Dazer
Were they only used on the VTLA?  I just parted out a VV-XIV and saved those casters and related parts. In fact, they are still attached to the legs. Let me know if that would be of any use to you. Dave --- On Mon, 7/4/11, jkship jks...@bresnan.net wrote: From: jkship jks...@bresnan.net

Re: [Phono-L] auction fees

2011-07-04 Thread Richard Mazur
Good point Al about ebay. Auction houses could make up to 45% on items ( 30% plus 15%) that make under $1000 There was an auction house near while I live (now defunct) where they would keep 50% commission on items you consign that total under $100. On top of the 50% the auction house also

Re: [Phono-L] Dearborn trip--Edison's last breath

2011-07-04 Thread Steven Medved
I've heard many people say that Edison didn't do ANYTHING worthwhile, or simply took credit for others' work. That is interesting because Edison stopped using patents and started using trade secrets because of all of his work that was stolen. That is why we have so little written

[Phono-L] Recreating Edison's Inventions... very educational... was Dearborn...

2011-07-04 Thread ClockworkHome
From tinfoil phonographs to light bulbs, Edison made things that were practical and worked. If one does not realize the difficulty of Edison's inventions then one has not attempted to duplicate them. Has anyone ever played with a reproduction Bell telephone? Mine required shouting so loud

Re: [Phono-L] Dearborn trip--Edison's last breath

2011-07-04 Thread b...@taney.com
That's the history of innovation, no one EVER invents something in a vacuum, it is all based on someone else's work. Altair and many others tried to come up with computers that were functional personal computers, the Apple ][ was the first practical home computer system, thus Altair is

[Phono-L] My Dearborn trip

2011-07-04 Thread Ken and Brenda Brekke
Thanks for all the replies related to what to see at Greenfield Village. I never thought this question would spark such a spirited debate. I just wanted to make the most of our Model A Ford trip to Dearborn. It should be a great trip and hopefully we'll find some treasures along the way.

Re: [Phono-L] VTLA wheel casters

2011-07-04 Thread jkship
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Re: [Phono-L] Recreating Edison's Inventions... very educational... was Dearborn...

2011-07-04 Thread Steven Medved
I like the yoke assembly of the Model O reproducer with the tiny -160 screw that goes into the stylus bar and holds on the washer with .019 arms that no one makes today because it is too complicated. 100 years later one would assume those items would be easily made. Steve From:

Re: [Phono-L] VTLA wheel casters

2011-07-04 Thread Ron L'Herault
Van Dykes Restorers has a large selection of casters. You may find something very close there. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of jkship Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 3:56 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject:

Re: [Phono-L] Edison feedscrew on mandrel shaft... Triumph, M, Home...

2011-07-04 Thread clockworkhome
G'day Mike: Very interesting but the M feedscrew I had to duplicate was examined under an optical comparator and there was no doubt the thread of the original 1892 part was a 45º buttress thread. The depth of the thread is only 0.007 so the lathe setup is crucial. I will have to check the

Re: [Phono-L] Edison feedscrew on mandrel shaft... Triumph, M, Home...

2011-07-04 Thread john robles
I must agree. I had to have a feedscrew rethreaded some years ago, and the machinist told me he had to use an old lathe of his dad's to make the buttress thread at the correct pitch. Can of worms hereby opened. John Robles --- On Mon, 7/4/11, clockworkh...@aol.com clockworkh...@aol.com wrote:

Re: [Phono-L] VTLA wheel casters

2011-07-04 Thread jkship
Ron, Thanks for the lead. I will Google them tomorrow and see what I can find. - Original Message - From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] VTLA wheel casters Van Dykes

Re: [Phono-L] Edison feedscrew on mandrel shaft... Triumph, M, Home...

2011-07-04 Thread Rich
Something tells me you will find both depending on vintage. On 07/04/2011 10:08 PM, john robles wrote: I must agree. I had to have a feedscrew rethreaded some years ago, and the machinist told me he had to use an old lathe of his dad's to make the buttress thread at the correct pitch. Can of

[Phono-L] Edison

2011-07-04 Thread Michael Tucker
Having just made a batch of half nuts for Homes and Triumphs I respectfully submit that Home and Triumph leadscrews do not have a buttress thread, but are 60 degree V threads. Took a bit of research as there are contemporary reports that a buttress thread was used, but close inspection under