Re: [Phono-L] What's wrong with this picture?
What's wrong with the price, Harvey??? After all it is a rare, unusual, one of a kind Edison Victrola cylinder player that uses needles... bet you don't have one in your collection. ;) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 22:09:52 -0800 From: harveykrav...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What's wrong with this picture? Besides the needle cups, how about the price? Hee Hee Hee! From: john9...@pacbell.net john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thu, November 25, 2010 6:27:59 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What's wrong with this picture? Also, the gear cover is gone. This is an Amberola VI A mech..probably screams like a banshee!! -Original Message- From: DanKj ediso...@verizon.net Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 19:31:50 To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What's wrong with this picture? I happened to see this last night, and almost choked on my cocoa. The NEEDLE CUPS on a cylinder machine should set off the first alarm. It is an Amberola mechanism shoved into a chopped-down, cheapo disc cabinet. Gross-buckets, as they used to say in Bloom County. . Maybe the machinery is worth something, but who has empty Amberola cabinets laying around? They shoulda stuck it in a crate claimed it's a rare Mission style Amberola IV! (One of which is pictured in a Buffalo music shop. I wonder where that one went) - Original Message - From: Graham Newton g...@audio-restoration.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2010 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What's wrong with this picture? On Thu, 25 Nov 2010 00:23:14 -0800 (PST) john robles john9...@pacbell.net said... More ebay follies, folks, This is laughable. Number is 250728912186. Hello John and all... Now I admit I don't know beans about cylinder phonos, or acoustic phonos in general, and I must be particularly thick, but I looked at this listing and it looked OK to me... even the close-up picture of the serial number plate. What did I miss... something serious? ... Graham Newton ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] What's wrong with this picture?
You're right, Curt!! I definitely do not have that in my collection. I guess, I'll have to with out this rare, one of a kind machine. I hope there are no more of these around.!! HA HA HA From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Fri, November 26, 2010 5:47:44 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What's wrong with this picture? What's wrong with the price, Harvey??? After all it is a rare, unusual, one of a kind Edison Victrola cylinder player that uses needles... bet you don't have one in your collection. ;) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 22:09:52 -0800 From: harveykrav...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What's wrong with this picture? Besides the needle cups, how about the price? HeeHeeHee! From: john9...@pacbell.net john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thu, November 25, 2010 6:27:59 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What's wrong with this picture? Also, the gear cover is gone. This is an Amberola VI A mech..probably screams like a banshee!! -Original Message- From: DanKj ediso...@verizon.net Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 19:31:50 To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What's wrong with this picture? I happened to see this last night, and almost choked on my cocoa. The NEEDLE CUPS on a cylinder machine should set off the first alarm. It is an Amberola mechanism shoved into a chopped-down, cheapo disc cabinet. Gross-buckets, as they used to say in Bloom County. . Maybe the machinery is worth something, but who has empty Amberola cabinets laying around? They shoulda stuck it in a crate claimed it's a rare Mission style Amberola IV! (One of which is pictured in a Buffalo music shop. I wonder where that one went) - Original Message - From: Graham Newton g...@audio-restoration.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2010 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What's wrong with this picture? On Thu, 25 Nov 2010 00:23:14 -0800 (PST) john robles john9...@pacbell.net said... More ebay follies, folks, This is laughable. Number is 250728912186. Hello John and all... Now I admit I don't know beans about cylinder phonos, or acoustic phonos in general, and I must be particularly thick, but I looked at this listing and it looked OK to me... even the close-up picture of the serial number plate. What did I miss... something serious? ... Graham Newton ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 196
I always notice that threads about frankenphones, and non helpul stuff like that go on forever,while. Talk about how to mold records, or how to adjust the brushes on the governor, so there is no wow , or how to. Change the electrolytic, sal amoniac for Grennet plunge battery for a class M get no responses. By the way keep the contact points on the govenor clean, the copper brushes touching with the same pressure on both sides, and make shure to keep a little above 2 amps, at all times so the motor is strong, the few. Cass Ms I heard were way out of adjustment, they should have no wow or flutter, they were recording Phonographs for goodness sakes! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 196
Probably, the reason for that (no responses) is because most of us run into this Frankenphone type of stuff regularly from antique dealers, sellers on eBay, etc. and find it humorous. Molding records and adjusting class M machines are interesting posts to read about, but most of us probably don't deal with these record molding issues on a daily basis and most of us don't have class M's or at least I don't. Please don't take this in the wrong way, it's not criticism, just reality. And in this age of weird reality, a little humor goes a long way to maintain a little sanity. From: edisonphonowo...@hotmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 18:55:02 -0600 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 196 I always notice that threads about frankenphones, and non helpul stuff like that go on forever,while. Talk about how to mold records, or how to adjust the brushes on the governor, so there is no wow , or how to. Change the electrolytic, sal amoniac for Grennet plunge battery for a class M get no responses. By the way keep the contact points on the govenor clean, the copper brushes touching with the same pressure on both sides, and make shure to keep a little above 2 amps, at all times so the motor is strong, the few. Cass Ms I heard were way out of adjustment, they should have no wow or flutter, they were recording Phonographs for goodness sakes! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 196
OK, I'll do the first reply. Hundreds of us know enough about Frankenphones to comment on them, though most of us know very little about the topics you mentioned. But that doesn't mean they aren't fascinating: 1. Cylinder making 2. Grennet cells 3. Class M motors Since I know virtually nothing about cylinder making, I couldn't make a good response, like suggest a formula change. But I have posted here about how beautiful your light-colored cylinders at the Edison Historical Site are. I was there this summer. I have never seen a Grennet cell in use. I couldn't name anyone who owns a Class M. Nevertheless, I am very interested in all of those topics. Especially the Class M motor. I'm an electrical engineer who spent a good part of my career on starting up new DC motors and the variable speed electronics drive controls that have been used with them since the 1960's. So, yes, I know that brush tension against the commutator is very important. Did you say the Class M brushes are made of COPPER? I've never seen a brush that wasn't made of carbon or perhaps brass in very old motors. But I know wire brushes were used by Edison and others before Frank Sprague invented the carbon brush for street car DC series motors. Jim Nichol On Nov 26, 2010, at 7:55 PM, Thomas Edison wrote: I always notice that threads about frankenphones, and non helpul stuff like that go on forever,while. Talk about how to mold records, or how to adjust the brushes on the governor, so there is no wow , or how to. Change the electrolytic, sal amoniac for Grennet plunge battery for a class M get no responses. By the way keep the contact points on the govenor clean, the copper brushes touching with the same pressure on both sides, and make shure to keep a little above 2 amps, at all times so the motor is strong, the few. Cass Ms I heard were way out of adjustment, they should have no wow or flutter, they were recording Phonographs for goodness sakes! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 196
The brushes in the Ediphone motors are also brass. Basically rolled up fine mesh brass screen. There are lots of those around. You can motorize your decrepit Home or Triumph with one without much grief. Makes a frankenAlva out of them. On 11/26/2010 09:08 PM, Jim Nichol wrote: OK, I'll do the first reply. Hundreds of us know enough about Frankenphones to comment on them, though most of us know very little about the topics you mentioned. But that doesn't mean they aren't fascinating: 1. Cylinder making 2. Grennet cells 3. Class M motors Since I know virtually nothing about cylinder making, I couldn't make a good response, like suggest a formula change. But I have posted here about how beautiful your light-colored cylinders at the Edison Historical Site are. I was there this summer. I have never seen a Grennet cell in use. I couldn't name anyone who owns a Class M. Nevertheless, I am very interested in all of those topics. Especially the Class M motor. I'm an electrical engineer who spent a good part of my career on starting up new DC motors and the variable speed electronics drive controls that have been used with them since the 1960's. So, yes, I know that brush tension against the commutator is very important. Did you say the Class M brushes are made of COPPER? I've never seen a brush that wasn't made of carbon or perhaps brass in very old motors. But I know wire brushes were used by Edison and others before Frank Sprague invented the carbon brush for street car DC series motors. Jim Nichol On Nov 26, 2010, at 7:55 PM, Thomas Edison wrote: I always notice that threads about frankenphones, and non helpul stuff like that go on forever,while. Talk about how to mold records, or how to adjust the brushes on the governor, so there is no wow , or how to. Change the electrolytic, sal amoniac for Grennet plunge battery for a class M get no responses. By the way keep the contact points on the govenor clean, the copper brushes touching with the same pressure on both sides, and make shure to keep a little above 2 amps, at all times so the motor is strong, the few. Cass Ms I heard were way out of adjustment, they should have no wow or flutter, they were recording Phonographs for goodness sakes! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Common subjects, arcane subjects
Probably because most of us have seen or encountered crapo-franken-phones, while extremely few of us either own or use rare things such as a Class M or antique batteries. It's quite interesting to read about blank cylinders being made, but it's difficult to contribute to the discussion without personal experience. - Original Message - Sent: Friday, November 26, 2010 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 196 I always notice that threads about frankenphones, and non helpul stuff like that go on forever,while. Talk about how to mold records, or how to adjust the brushes on the governor, so there is no wow , or how to. Change the electrolytic, sal amoniac for Grennet plunge battery for a class M get no responses ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
