Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Grafonola - electric motor question

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I saved the photo because I had never seen or heard of one.


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Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Grafonola - electric motor question

Anyone? No one here knows about these Columbia electric motors? I would be 
shocked if that were true!





On Oct 25, 2019, at 5:35 PM, Robert Wright via Phono-L  
wrote:

> Hello, all! Got a question on behalf of a lovely couple I get this weekend 
> regarding a big, beautiful Columbia Grafonola. I was going to find them a 
> crank for it, since they thought that's what was missing, but upon further 
> inspection, it's got the same situation as in the attached ad. Pretty cool, 
> and super clean as well.
>
> Problem is: how do you connect this motor to an outlet? No cable included 
> (that's the easy part), couple of loose wires, not sure what does what... I 
> only know Victor induction motors! Anyone have a schematic for getting this 
> thing wired up back to original spec? I'd sure love to help these folks if 
> possible.
>
> Thanks from them and myself in advance!
>
> Best,
> Robert
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Re: [Phono-L] Credenza speed readout needle chatter

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WD-40 is not a lubricant.  It works good as a cleaner or to displace water, but 
not as a lubricant.  Liquid Bearings works well and has no smell and is 
synthetic.

Steve


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Sent: Friday, September 13, 2019 12:34 PM
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Cc: Robert Wright 
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Credenza speed readout needle chatter

Firstly, thank you both for the detailed info!

Ron, it looks like your suggestions are aimed at reducing vibration from the 
governor mech itself, the application of which makes perfect sense. I just may 
try that on all the motors here, in fact. Thank you!

Andrew, it sounds like you're suggesting that once the indicator arbor is in 
(let's call it) 78rpm position, it is in that specific axis (or axes) where the 
hole may have become enlarged and/or the arbor's pivot post has become polished 
-- i.e., there's no chatter at other speeds because the indicator pad is in a 
different position, placing the posts where the wear has not occurred. This 
makes perfect sense to me, especially as the indicator chatter happens with at 
least one other motor here (a spring one, not the electric one I initially 
wrote about). I'm sure both machines have operated at 78rpm or thereabouts 
their entire lives, indeed.

It also makes sense that adding grease to the pad helps, but only for a few 
plays -- once it has cleared out of the path, the posts are again in (let's 
call it) chatter position.

In that light, would you think installing a significantly longer leather pad 
into the arbor would change its rotational position enough to place it into a 
"fresh" spot? It would also increase the return spring tension slightly, which 
may help alleviate chatter. Doesn't seem like it would take much, perhaps an 
additional 16th - 8th of an inch. It might get another 100 years of 
chatter-free use if so. Thoughts? (I've also used a spritz of WD-40 to 
lubricate the post holes -- perhaps I'll slather a fingertip of grease on them 
instead.)

I also considered sympathetic resonance, but I don't know how much the math 
lines up, considering it is a range of speeds (albeit a narrow one) while the 
60Hz vibration is more or less constant (I realize the 60Hz vibration and any 
errant governor vibration are two different things). But the hole wear, in my 
mind, lines up to that problem range quite well!

I say it often in my emails here, but it bears repeating once again: to someone 
like me who loves phonographs much more than they have technically studied 
them, this list isn't just a handy resource, it's a lifeline. Thank you, 
gentlemen.


Reporting back soon,
Robert


PS - In my defense, I never said the source of the chatter was the point of 
contact between the pad and the flywheel! I only meant to describe the symptom, 
i.e., where the noise occurred, not the underlying disease that might suggest a 
cure. I just get in a hurry sometimes. I'll try to be clearer! :-)







On Sep 12, 2019, at 3:30 PM, Andrew Baron via Phono-L 
mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org>> wrote:

Hi Robert. Intriguing problem, and I think I may be able to shed a little 
light. My supposition could be wrong, but if you look at the physics of the 
thing, it could point to not one issue (“…obviously the contact point between 
the leather nib…”), but more likely two issues. You have to raise your 
perception above where the symptom’s cause would appear to originate, and look 
at the whole picture.

The key to solving your mystery may be directly related to something you 
conveyed very precisely, that the issue occurs over an extremely narrow band of 
speeds. So, it appears that we have a primary cause (vibration source at the 
leather and flywheel), exacerbated or amplified by a secondary condition, which 
I will assume is marginal wear in the holes that the leather pad arm’s arbor 
passes through (the first of the two axles), in possible combination with the 
holes that the speed indicator needle’s arbor passes through, in the indicator 
frame. Given that the steel arm that the leather pad mounts to is supported on 
a smaller arbor, and given that this arbor is first in line and thus closer to 
the governor flywheel where the vibration originates, it’s likely that wear 
would be more present at those holes and possibly the associated arbor as well, 
than at the larger holes and arbor of the indicator needle. The same wear on 
smaller parts will occupy a larger percentage of area, thus having a more 
noticeable effect.

The wear I describe would be very subtle. If for example, the holes that the 
indicator arbor passes through are normally three-thousandths of an inch larger 
in diameter than the arbor (just guessing on this — I have not measured it), 
and it’s known that the arbor touches only a specific portion of the wall of 
those holes at a specific speed, then you may find that the holes and/or the 
arbor itself have worn -slightly- out of round. It 

Re: [Phono-L] information needed

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Gregg Cline make perfect decals, they are very thin and hard for most to apply 
but they look perfect.  You need to find a person who makes models and 
regularly applies decals if you get any.

Ogden chrome for nickel plating.  John tells me they do excellent work a 
reasonable prices.

Vicsonia is one of the adapters you can play DD records on Victor phonographs.  
The stylus is sapphire which wears and I have never seen a good one.  Either 
broken or worn.  Diamonds are expensive these days.  I have an adapter so a 
diamond will fit for the Vicsonia, but I will not have any diamonds unless I 
order more.

Duo-Vox had diamond styli.  Made by Bush and Lane.

The third type I have seen did not have a name, the box it came in said Victor, 
it was held on by a thumbscrew.

https://www.ogdenchrome.com/
Chrome Plating - Ogden, UT - Ogden Chrome
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Ogden, Utah. We take great pride in the craftsmanship and quality of chrome 
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plating ...
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Steve


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Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 10:31 PM
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Subject: [Phono-L] information needed


Listers:



I recently  painted a Edison Standard A bedplate and a couple of parts, which 
were a “disaster!”. I am looking for someone who does the decals or paints the 
corners and or gold pin striping. Items after doing such.



Does someone have a referral for plating phono parts?



Any comments or contacts, is appreciated.





On another note:



I was discussing with a phono friend about an adapter I have which fits on a 
Victor tone arm in place of the original, which plays diamond Discs. I have the 
only one I have ran across. He may be interested in obtaining such. In the 
event someone knows what I am referring too, or has one they are willing to 
part with, please let me know



Thanks in advance.



Bob Maffit


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Re: [Phono-L] What's wrong with this motor?

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Broken spring or spring that slipped off the arbor.  You would have to remove 
the springs to see the problem.  These springs are easy to remove, at least for 
me, just write down the direction the wind in.  I do not do motor work these 
days.

Steve


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Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 11:50 AM
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Subject: [Phono-L] What's wrong with this motor?

And how easy is it to fix?

https://photos.app.goo.gl/w4QGVpMLNGHUuksx9

Thanks in advance!
Robert
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[Phono-L] Wanted Columbia AH Motor- any condition

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[Phono-L] New collector in Los Angeles

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Greeting,

There is a young man (around 30) who lives in Los Angeles who is interested in 
phonographs.  He has an Amberola 30, I just rebuilt his reproducer.  Is anyone 
in the area interested in meeting with him?  If so send me an email off list.  
He is interested in meeting other collectors and hopefully he will join APS.

Steve Medved

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[Phono-L] Anyone have a Victor II ID plate for sale?

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Re: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems

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Some people have retired from the hobby, some have passed.  From its heyday the 
list today is 10% of its former glory when people asked to be removed because 
of all the emails.  The hobby in general is the same way.  Each year the shows 
I have been to get smaller.  Prices go down.  The world famous Ron Sitko told 
me this past year has been great for him because people who own family 
phonographs are buying parts for them.  At the Orlando show I got three 
reproducers to do, one was from a man whose grandfather owned the machine.

I remember when Ron D, I and others were discussing a subject and we were 
chastised for too many emails.  I used to save a lot of emails from the 
phonolists, now over the past three years I think I have saved one to my 
computer.

Steve Medved


From: Phono-L  on behalf of Bob Maffit via 
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Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 12:08 AM
To: 'Antique Phonograph List'
Cc: Bob Maffit
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems


Listers:



I had been wondering what had happened to the list and its members, as very 
little was happening.



Well, it looks like we are still around.



Recently, I had inquired about a phono part and did get a reply. When 
initiated, the list works.



Bob Maffit



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Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 9:34 PM
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Cc: Jim Nichol
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems



Ron, I doubt you and Mike are the only people left on this list. But I’ve only 
run into problems like yours twice. One was a Busy Bee disc phono. I did find a 
problem with binding in the governor gearing, but I think a weak spring was the 
real problem. Also, my Edison Opera stopped working after traveling to Chicago. 
It was easily fixed when I found that governor shaft wouldn’t turn. I loosened 
a set screw and allowed a little play in the governor shaft, and all was well.



Jim Nichol



On May 7, 2019, at 9:43 PM, Ron L'Herault via Phono-L 
mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org>> wrote:



The old spring was 5/8 by .018.   I’ve just installed a 5/8 by .022  which 
seems to be about the same length, around 8 5eet I believe.  It’s a NOS Honest 
Quaker (I actually have two of these!).  It may be a bit better.  I think I’m 
going to try a counter weight on the “tone arm” to lighten the reproduce a bit. 
 That may let it play through an 8” record.



Looks like you and I are the only ones on the oldcrank phonograph list.  NO one 
else commented.





Ron L



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Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2019 6:13 PM
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Cc: mtucker1...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems



Ron,



What is the width of the spring?



The Windsor listing gives the following for small toy motors (Genola, Baby 
Grand,Carryola Cub, Pei-o-phone, Artone, Featherweight etc) with pear shape 
holes as ½” x .022 x 8feet.



For old type toy motors the dimensions are 9/16” x .025 x 10 feet.



I have no specific listing for the Little Wonder.



Best wishes,



Mike Tucker



From: Phono-L 
mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org>> On Behalf 
Of Ron L'Herault via Phono-L
Sent: Sunday, 5 May 2019 6:29 AM
To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com; 'Antique 
Phonograph List' mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org>>
Cc: Ron L'Herault mailto:lhera...@verizon.net>>
Subject: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems



I’ve been sent a LW phono with a host of small problems.  This is a Vertical 
only machine that according to the lit. should use a sapphire ball.   The 
governor springs were wrong.  I’ve got two with Columbia weights that are 
pretty close.  Had to make a lower bearing for the governor.  It’s  tad sloppy 
but rotational speed seems fairly consistent until the record slows half way 
into the side.   I suspect the spring is the wrong size (too long and maybe too 
thick).  S,  what size should the spring be?  There is a dish shaped washer 
on the winding gear side of the spring. Should the upward curve of the dish 
be towards the spring or towards the winding gear?  Should the spring be 
exposed on its other end or was there another dish or flat disk there?
Anybody know?  And does anyone know the actual length, width, thickness of the 
gov. springs?



Thanks,



Ron L

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Re: [Phono-L] child's phonograph seeking info & parts

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-24zqlU5jg
[https://www.bing.com/th?id=OVP.jh7Q2KL76MHrMxEL1MdSNAEsDh=Api]

Baby Cabinet Phonograph
Baby Cabinet Children's phonograph made in 1920"s by General Phonograph 
Manufacturing Company, Elyria, Ohio. It is 9" wide 10" deep and 17" high.
www.youtube.com



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Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 1:53 PM
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Subject: [Phono-L] child's phonograph seeking info & parts


Phono list:



I obtained a child’s phonograph made by: General Phonograph manufacturing Co. 
from Elyria Ohio. On the label at the base of the lid in front says: Baby 
Cabinet

The sides and lid, are  medal, with decals, like Humpty Dumpty.

It is missing the tone arm, which I think also functions as the horn, given 
there is no place for a horn, and it appears the tone arm just fits in a very 
small hole at the right rear of the motor board.

I recognize finding such is like looking for a needle in a hay stack! *smile*



If anyone has a reference in any book, that I could get someone to look at and 
or has  a tone arm / horn etc., they would be willing to part with …..



Thanks in advance



Bob Maffit


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[Phono-L] 1A owners Model M question

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I recently placed a 1A mechanism in a case and created what is a 2/4 Opera.  
With the M in 2 or 4 minute and the stylus on the record and the machine 
stopped how far off the record can the stylus be lifted?  On most machines this 
is around 1/8 of an inch to allow for mandrel play.


The 1A bedplate is different from the Opera so I had an Opera reproduction top 
brazed on a 1A stanchion.  The first M I tested out the stylus would barely 
raise off the record and the second M I tested it would not raise off at all.  
I placed washers under the stanchion and will make a shim.


Any help would be greatly appreciated as I have zero experience with the 
Amberola 1, 3, or Opera.


Thanks,


Steve
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Re: [Phono-L] Brunswick Blake Collender Co vertical reproducer

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Sent Monday May 29, no longer available.



From: Phono-L <phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org> on behalf of SN Medved via Phono-L 
<phono-l@oldcrank.org>
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 6:00 PM
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org; phonolist
Cc: SN Medved
Subject: [Phono-L] Brunswick Blake Collender Co vertical reproducer


I have a Brunswick Blake Collender Co vertical reproducer I took in trade for 
work.  If anyone is interested it is $20 plus shipping.  I replaced the gaskets 
a few years ago.  The pot metal is in good condition, photos send upon request.


Steven Medved




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[Phono-L] Brunswick Blake Collender Co vertical reproducer

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I have a Brunswick Blake Collender Co vertical reproducer I took in trade for 
work.  If anyone is interested it is $20 plus shipping.  I replaced the gaskets 
a few years ago.  The pot metal is in good condition, photos send upon request.


Steven Medved


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Re: [Phono-L] Edison E

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Harvey,


It's probably an F like yours but with the S gone and an H.


Steve



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Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 9:29 PM
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It's probably a Model D Standard. These were 2.4 min. The model E was strictly 
a  4 min. machine.
Harvey Kravitz



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Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison E

I’d love to get the cylinder cabinet but tricky to get to Australia.
Jamie


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Sent: Friday, 14 April 2017 10:27 AM
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Cc: Randy Larson 
Subject: [Phono-L] Edison E

I'm selling this for a lady that recently lost her house in a fire with no 
insurance. This was in storage and spared. It's an Standard E . It has the 2&4 
conversion and a new H reproducer. The motor was cleaned and new spring 
installed in 2004. The base of the Cygnet horn has been restored. This comes 
with a cylinder cabinet, all in excellent condition (except for the upper half 
of the horn). All proceeds go to helping this lady get back on her feet. The
chrome Cygnet horn support is also new. It plays beautifully. I can send more 
pics upon request. A phono friend thought it would go between 7 to 900 dollars. 
Let me know if interested. Thanks
Randy Larson


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Re: [Phono-L] Edison E

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I thought it would be an F, Edison used the F to get rid of a lot of left over 
parts.  I have seen a Home with a Triumph ID plate and a Home serial number, 
and during 1908 for a period of time Edison made the B, C and D all at the same 
time so you see a lot of variety.  I have seen a Standard D with a B ID plate 
and the tall B case, a maroon Gem with the block GEM decal, along with other 
variety and factory defects.



From: Phono-L  on behalf of Aph4990--- via 
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Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 12:36 AM
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I re-looked at my standard with the changed ID tag.  It now appears that the 
letter which looked like an "E"on further inspection is actually an "F".  The 
machine has a small top-mount reproducer ring. This fits with the 2/4 gearing 
and cygnet horn.  One wonders if original buyers were ever sophisticated enough 
to recognize the differences between models with all the factory changes. 
However, I would assume they would have known what they wanted given the 
options of 2 and 4 minute reproduction.
Art Heller


In a message dated 4/13/2017 10:09:50 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, 
phono-l@oldcrank.org writes:
The picture that Randy posted looks identical to the Model F pictured in the 
Frow book.  It says the E had a side mount carriage arm with large opening for 
a Model N reproducer, whereas the F had top mount carriage arm with a small 
opening for C, H, R, or S reproducers. It says the Model E had a straight 
paneled horn with a front mount crane, whereas the Model F had a cygnet horn 
with a back mount crane bracket.

Also, the Standard Models D, E, and F all had both 2 and 4 minute gearing. 
HOWEVER, on the Model E, the mechanism was blocked to keep it in 4-minute mode 
all the time. If Randy found it was stuck in 4-minute mode, this would support 
the E nameplate.  Otherwise, everything else points to a Model F. Of course, 
you never know what really happened at the Edison factory.

Jim Nichol

On Apr 13, 2017, at 9:29 PM, harvey kravitz via Phono-L  
wrote:

It's probably a Model D Standard. These were 2.4 min. The model E was strictly 
a  4 min. machine.
Harvey Kravitz



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Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison E

I’d love to get the cylinder cabinet but tricky to get to Australia.
Jamie


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Cc: Randy Larson 
Subject: [Phono-L] Edison E

I'm selling this for a lady that recently lost her house in a fire with no 
insurance. This was in storage and spared. It's an Standard E . It has the 2&4 
conversion and a new H reproducer. The motor was cleaned and new spring 
installed in 2004. The base of the Cygnet horn has been restored. This comes 
with a cylinder cabinet, all in excellent condition (except for the upper half 
of the horn). All proceeds go to helping this lady get back on her feet. The
chrome Cygnet horn support is also new. It plays beautifully. I can send more 
pics upon request. A phono friend thought it would go between 7 to 900 dollars. 
Let me know if interested. Thanks
Randy Larson

[Phono-L] Opera elbow

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Hello,


I am looking for and Opera horn elbow, reproduction is fine.  Also the part 
that holds the horn elbow and the reproducer for an Opera.


Thanks,


Steve Medved


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[Phono-L] Gem recorder

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Does anyone have a Gem recorder they can place on a table with the sound tube 
on the table top and send me a photo of the profile?  I am rebuilding a Gem 
recorder and since I do not have a Gem that will help me to get the link length 
correct.


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Hello All,


I need a screw and spring holding the motor to the motor board on an Amberola 
1A.


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Re: [Phono-L] Columbia No 15 viva tonal reproducer

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It is beveled and complicated.



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I can try my hand at cutting some out.  Used to be easier when I had access to 
cork borers at work though.



Ron L



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A rubber disc with holes, screws, and spacers.



Steve M





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I just looked at mine and I have not.  I don't remember.  Are they a 
complicated shape or just a rubber ring with holes?



Ron L



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Thanks I really appreciate that, does anyone make the rubber isolator for these?





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I think that's about right.The screw lines up with the outer edge of the 
pivot by sight





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Hello All,



On the Columbia No 15 Viva Tonal reproducer is the taped hole in the sound tube 
on the back at around 7:00?



Thanks,



Steve














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A rubber disc with holes, screws, and spacers.


Steve M



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I just looked at mine and I have not.  I don't remember.  Are they a 
complicated shape or just a rubber ring with holes?



Ron L



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Thanks I really appreciate that, does anyone make the rubber isolator for these?





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I think that's about right.The screw lines up with the outer edge of the 
pivot by sight





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Hello All,



On the Columbia No 15 Viva Tonal reproducer is the taped hole in the sound tube 
on the back at around 7:00?



Thanks,



Steve










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Re: [Phono-L] Columbia No 15 viva tonal reproducer

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Hello Mr. Viva Tonal Reproducer,


I really appreciate that so very much.  If you ever create an article on these 
reproducers with all their variations please let me know.


Steve



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Yes Steve.  Around 7.

Kind regards,

Arvin

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Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia No 15 viva tonal reproducer


Hello All,


On the Columbia No 15 Viva Tonal reproducer is the taped hole in the sound tube 
on the back at around 7:00?


Thanks,


Steve




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[Phono-L] Columbia No 15 viva tonal reproducer

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Hello All,


On the Columbia No 15 Viva Tonal reproducer is the taped hole in the sound tube 
on the back at around 7:00?


Thanks,


Steve


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Re: [Phono-L] phonophan

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Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.


Charles Caleb Colton


Although this may be caused by a lack of research, the YouTube guy may have 
thought, it sounds good I will use it; not thinking it may already be in use.


Steve M



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Thanks for the clarification!   The guy on Youtube didn't look like you either.



Ron L



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Hi, all. I have never posted anything to YouTube, so the other party must be an 
IMPOSTER!

Cheers, Tim Fabrizio







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Tim Fabrizio has a website identified as phonophan. Is he also phonophan on
YouTube or has someone else used that name there?

Ron L

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Re: [Phono-L] Edison Triumph A 2/4 minute conversion kit?

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Hello Ron,


I appreciate the kind words from you, John, and Darrell.


Steve



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I knew you'd set me straight, Steve.   Thanks.



Ron



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Hello Ron,



Edison links vary from .0175 to .0192 in diameter.  I use .020 annealed 
stainless steel wire to make links for them all except for the O and M which I 
use .018 annealed steel wire.  The O link is longer than the M link.



Staple wire is too small in my opinion as it is .0175 on one side and .0186 on 
the other as it is not round.  The length is about right for the bent weight N 
but too long for the C or H.



Steve





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I've been told that an ordinary office style staple is the right length and 
diameter for this link wire.  How far from the truth is that?



Ron L



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Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Triumph A 2/4 minute conversion kit?



Hello Everyone,



I was wondering if there are any printed or "known" specifications for the 
fabrication dimensions of all of the different Edison reproducer "S" or "C" 
hooks that connect the diaphragm to the stylus?  Like actual center to center 
distance, radius on the ends, wire diameter, etc.  Any info would be helpful as 
I would like to machine a few small fixtures to make them instead of trial and 
error.



Thanks,

Jim Reisenweber

Re: [Phono-L] Edison Triumph A 2/4 minute conversion kit?

[SN Medved via Phono-L]

I responded off list.



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Sorry, I was thinking he would respond, he's on this board.

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His address would be helpful...

steve_nor...@msn.com

john9ten via Phono-L wrote:
Steve medved can assist with this. He's a genius at making correct sized links.

John Robles


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Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Triumph A 2/4 minute conversion kit?

Hello Everyone,

I was wondering if there are any printed or "known" specifications for the 
fabrication dimensions of all of the different Edison reproducer "S" or "C" 
hooks that connect the diaphragm to the stylus?  Like actual center to center 
distance, radius on the ends, wire diameter, etc.  Any info would be helpful as 
I would like to machine a few small fixtures to make them instead of trial and 
error.

Thanks,
Jim Reisenweber

Re: [Phono-L] Edison Triumph A 2/4 minute conversion kit?

[SN Medved via Phono-L]

Hello Ron,


Edison links vary from .0175 to .0192 in diameter.  I use .020 annealed 
stainless steel wire to make links for them all except for the O and M which I 
use .018 annealed steel wire.  The O link is longer than the M link.


Staple wire is too small in my opinion as it is .0175 on one side and .0186 on 
the other as it is not round.  The length is about right for the bent weight N 
but too long for the C or H.


Steve



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I've been told that an ordinary office style staple is the right length and 
diameter for this link wire.  How far from the truth is that?



Ron L



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Hello Everyone,



I was wondering if there are any printed or "known" specifications for the 
fabrication dimensions of all of the different Edison reproducer "S" or "C" 
hooks that connect the diaphragm to the stylus?  Like actual center to center 
distance, radius on the ends, wire diameter, etc.  Any info would be helpful as 
I would like to machine a few small fixtures to make them instead of trial and 
error.



Thanks,

Jim Reisenweber

Re: [Phono-L] Edison Triumph A 2/4 minute conversion kit?

[SN Medved via Phono-L]

Is the screw that holds the upper bedplate down centered?  If not you have a B 
upgrade mandrel.

Steve M


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 My "A" was converted; I assume many were.


dan Kj


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I have heard tell here and there that Edison, and possible some other
companies, produced 2/4 minute conversion kits for the Triumph model A
phonograph, but I have never seen one, and I'm not sure I know anyone who
has.  Can anyone out there confirm the existence of such a beast?  If so,
have you ever seen one for sale, and what did it go for?



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Re: [Phono-L] Edison Triumph A 2/4 minute conversion kit?

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The Triumph A 2/4 upgrade mandrel is very rare because most of the time you see 
an A it has the B upgrade mandrel on it which will fit but you have to move the 
upper bed plate all the way to the right so the belt will not hit so the screw 
holding the bedplate down will be all the way to the left and not centered in 
its lug.


All the upgrade mandrels and feedscrews are stamped.  My article below and the 
copies of the Edison letter should answer all your questions, if not please let 
me know.


I have a Triumph A with a B mandrel on it.  No other companies made them to my 
knowledge.  Edison made 2/4 upgrade mandrels and pulleys for the Concert, the 
early Spring Motor, and the ABC triumphs.


Steve




I was able to find a copy of a letter Edison sent to his dealers telling about 
the different mandrel upgrades for the home and triumphs.  If the dealers 
needed a letter, how much more will this information help us?



Here are some things that I have found from the letter and myself.  The lengths 
of the triumph feed screws are as follows:



The A is 4 27/32" and is marked T D A I  and TA on the feedscrew and the 
mandrel.

The B is 5" and is marked T D B I, TBI, or just a large TB on the mandrel and 
the end of the feed screw is also marked.

The C is 5 1/4" and is marked T D C I on the feedscrew and the mandrel. I have 
never seen a C except for a pulley.

The D and E (and F I assume) is marked T D only.

The pulley is marked with an A B C or D.





Homes:



The home is marked H B I, IHB or H A B I for the A & B and H C for C.

The home D and higher is marked H D.

If you put a Triumph B mandrel on a Triumph A you have to move the upper 
bedplate to the right all the way to compensate or the belt hits where it goes 
through the lower bedplate.  My Triumph A has a B mandrel on it.



I believe the pulleys are the same, and think the shifters on the C kits have 
the lip like the D and higher does, but I have only seen one home C and one 
triumph C with the kit so I can't say for certain.  7 or 8 Triumph C's are 
known and the Home C is very uncommon.



Until I saw this letter on eBay (I did not win it but purchased a photocopy 
from the winner) I did not know they made 5 different ones.  If anyone wants a 
copy of the letter e-mail to them please contact me.



Steve



>From Terry Baer:



The model C used a unique mandrel assembly
with "captured" bearing.  Picture an early two minute mandrel shaft.  Remove
the mandrel and turn down the area under the mandrel to about 5/16" leaving
the larger 5/8" feedscrew.  Now slip on a bearing that is 5/8 OD 5/16 ID.
Now slip on a mandrel with smaller 5/16 holes on both ends.  Now slip the
whole assembly in the top works.




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No access to my books right now, would it be different than the one for the 
triumph model b?

John robles


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I have heard tell here and there that Edison, and possible some other 
companies, produced 2/4 minute conversion kits for the Triumph model A 
phonograph, but I have never seen one, and I'm not sure I know anyone who has.  
Can anyone out there confirm the existence of such a beast?  If so, have you 
ever seen one for sale, and what did it go for?

[Phono-L] rochr...@gmail.com

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Hello Bill,


Steve Medved here.


Steve



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Would someone send me Steve's email address?

BillZ at the following personal address:

rochr...@gmail.com

On Fri, Jan 1, 2016 at 1:01 PM, > wrote:

Thankyou all.  Ive reached out by email to Steve.  Thx again.  robert


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I would also like to chime in to recommend Steve. He is the only person we 
would send our reproducers and recorders to. He does fantastic work, is a joy 
to work with and is very reasonably priced. He has worked on countless 
reproducers for us and two Edison recorders as well. They all come back looking 
and working like new. You could not find a nicer, more talented person to 
rebuild your reproducer.

Melissa




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Hi- And I would sincerely add to the comments of John Robles. I have known 
Steve Medved since 2007.He has rebuilt at least four Edison reproducers for me. 
In every rebuild, the reproducer came back cleaner and sounded MUCH better than 
before Steve worked on it. Steve is one of those rare people that repairs 
someone else's items just as good as if it were his. That is beyond my opinion, 
that is a fact.His goal is to have the reproducer look and sound it's best.He 
is my first choice, and I would recommend him to anyone.
 Charlie.


On Thursday, December 31, 2015 2:26 PM, John Robles via Phono-L > 
wrote:


Hi!

Steve Medved in Kissimmee, Florida is the number one reproducer rebuilder, and 
his prices are reasonable. I send him a lot of work and always get the 
reproducers back sounding (and in many cases looking) like new.  Send me a 
private email and I will give you his email address.

John Robles




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Subject: [Phono-L] Diamond Disc Stylus Rebuild

I have a saphire stylus for a Diamond Disk W19.  I think the saphire is worn 
down becuase it seems to cause a lot of drag when playing a record.  In anycase 
its close to 100 years old and Id like to have someone rebuild it.

Do you have recommendations where I can send the head for a rebuild and saphire 
replacement?

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Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders

[SN Medved via Phono-L]

The photos you took are wonderful and have helped many people including myself 
to have a much better understanding of Edison diamonds.
Steve

From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
CC: lhera...@verizon.net
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 05:21:48 +

Not having access to the SEM is the only downside to retirement. Ron L From: SN 
Medved via Phono-L [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org]
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 10:37 PM
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Cc: SN Medved
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders 
http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewtopic.php?f=2=17922=99f228263f21941324d810ce508e0ea4=50
From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
CC: steve_nor...@msn.com
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 02:31:10 +Many of the points in the needle bars like 
the Cheney ones are sapphires and not diamonds.  So far I have not seen a point 
mounted in a shank that was not worn or broken.  95% of the original Edison 
diamonds I have examined are broken, worn, or both.   This is a good article, 
it shows worn and broken diamonds and explains well.   I have found that the 
Columbia ball stylus mounted in a bar will play the Pathe records.  I ordered 5 
diamonds made for use in a shank, but unfortunately they cut them too short.  
If there is interest I could have more made. Steve Medved
From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 03:23:34 +Get in touch with George Vollema, Great 
Lakes Antique Phonographs.  He's great to do business with and has a huge stock 
of parts.  Having said that, if George can't help, I once made a Pathe stylus 
out of a bit of Dental technology, a "Pindex Pin" (ask your local dentist).  I 
drilled a very small hole in the end and glued in a sapphire cylinder stylus 
such as used on Columbia machines. It was ball shaped.   And I'll bet Steve 
Medved could make something with one of the new Edison DD styli he is having 
made here in the states.  George would be the easier way to go first though. 
Ron L From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org]
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 10:39 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders Thanks, Ron. Any idea 
where I might find one? I'd like to pick up a Pathe ball stylus, too -- I've 
never has any luck finding either on ebay. Ric

 Original message 
From: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org>
Date: 10/16/2015 10:18 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: 'Antique Phonograph List' <phono-l@oldcrank.org>
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders You would need an Edison 
style diamond which Sonora probably sold. Ron L From: Antique Phonograph List 
[mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org]
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 8:55 PM
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders One more question:  Like 
most wooden-arm Sonoras, this one comes with two reproducers, one for 
lateral-cut records, the other, it says, for vertical-cut and diamond discs.  
Could these really play diamond discs?  If so, what kind of stylus would you 
need, and where would you get one?From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 23:47:23 +I posted this query last month about 
restoring the record filing system in a Sonora Elite phonograph.  Since then, I 
have learned that Sonora actually called it an "envelope filing system," and 
that I have everything I need, EXCEPT for some sort of little metal brackets (a 
pair, to be precise) that secure the rods to the outside of the wooden 
framework for the filing system.  If you click on this link, scroll down to the 
third picture and look closely, you can sort of see what I'm talking about:

http://www.justanswer.com/antiques/5nb93-glenda-i-question-sonora-phonograph-recently.html#re.v/149/

Does anyone happen to have a pair of these they'd be willing to sell me, or at 
the very least a clearer photo of them?  I'd appreciate any help.

Thanks again,

Ric
uws...@gmail.com


From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 18:02:54 +I am in the process of restoring a nice 
Sonora phonograph in a mahogany bombe cabinet; I found it years ago at an 
estate sale, and it's taken me a while to get around to it.  Like many Sonoras, 
the paper record folders down below had been removed, presumably because they 
had disintegrated, as they typically do.  Miraculously, some years later I 
found another Sonora -- the same model -- with a trashed cabinet (no grille, 
broken legs, etc.) but a full set of record folders in excellent condition.  
Unfortunately, so much time has passed that I can no longer remember how to 
install the folders in the cabi

Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders

[SN Medved via Phono-L]

Many of the points in the needle bars like the Cheney ones are sapphires and 
not diamonds.  So far I have not seen a point mounted in a shank that was not 
worn or broken.  95% of the original Edison diamonds I have examined are 
broken, worn, or both.
This is a good article, it shows worn and broken diamonds and explains well.
I have found that the Columbia ball stylus mounted in a bar will play the Pathe 
records.  I ordered 5 diamonds made for use in a shank, but unfortunately they 
cut them too short.  If there is interest I could have more made.
Steve Medved

From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 03:23:34 +

Get in touch with George Vollema, Great Lakes Antique Phonographs.  He's great 
to do business with and has a huge stock of parts.  Having said that, if George 
can't help, I once made a Pathe stylus out of a bit of Dental technology, a 
"Pindex Pin" (ask your local dentist).  I drilled a very small hole in the end 
and glued in a sapphire cylinder stylus such as used on Columbia machines. It 
was ball shaped.   And I'll bet Steve Medved could make something with one of 
the new Edison DD styli he is having made here in the states.  George would be 
the easier way to go first though. Ron L From: Antique Phonograph List 
[mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org]
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 10:39 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders Thanks, Ron. Any idea 
where I might find one? I'd like to pick up a Pathe ball stylus, too -- I've 
never has any luck finding either on ebay. Ric

 Original message 
From: Antique Phonograph List 
Date: 10/16/2015 10:18 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: 'Antique Phonograph List' 
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders You would need an Edison 
style diamond which Sonora probably sold. Ron L From: Antique Phonograph List 
[mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org]
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 8:55 PM
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders One more question:  Like 
most wooden-arm Sonoras, this one comes with two reproducers, one for 
lateral-cut records, the other, it says, for vertical-cut and diamond discs.  
Could these really play diamond discs?  If so, what kind of stylus would you 
need, and where would you get one?From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 23:47:23 +I posted this query last month about 
restoring the record filing system in a Sonora Elite phonograph.  Since then, I 
have learned that Sonora actually called it an "envelope filing system," and 
that I have everything I need, EXCEPT for some sort of little metal brackets (a 
pair, to be precise) that secure the rods to the outside of the wooden 
framework for the filing system.  If you click on this link, scroll down to the 
third picture and look closely, you can sort of see what I'm talking about:

http://www.justanswer.com/antiques/5nb93-glenda-i-question-sonora-phonograph-recently.html#re.v/149/

Does anyone happen to have a pair of these they'd be willing to sell me, or at 
the very least a clearer photo of them?  I'd appreciate any help.

Thanks again,

Ric
uws...@gmail.com



From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 18:02:54 +I am in the process of restoring a nice 
Sonora phonograph in a mahogany bombe cabinet; I found it years ago at an 
estate sale, and it's taken me a while to get around to it.  Like many Sonoras, 
the paper record folders down below had been removed, presumably because they 
had disintegrated, as they typically do.  Miraculously, some years later I 
found another Sonora -- the same model -- with a trashed cabinet (no grille, 
broken legs, etc.) but a full set of record folders in excellent condition.  
Unfortunately, so much time has passed that I can no longer remember how to 
install the folders in the cabinet.  I found the attached photo online of the 
identical phonograph, and it seems like the rods (there are four of them, each 
half the width of the wooden bracket with the vertical slats) might slide into 
some holes in the bottom of the bracket, but I can't tell for sure.  Has 
anybody dealt with this before?  If so, could you possibly offer me some 
instructions?

Also, I'm not sure which model this is; it came with a booklet identifying it 
as an Elite, but all the photos online of Sonora Elites show a different, 
smaller model.  (The one with what looks like a capital "H" in the center of 
the grille.)  I have checked the paper label on the underside of the drawer, 
and it doesn't say -- it's just a list of patents.

Finally, if by some chance anyone out there has a parts machine, please let me 
know.  Thanks!   

Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders

[SN Medved via Phono-L]

http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewtopic.php?f=2=17922=99f228263f21941324d810ce508e0ea4=50

From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
CC: steve_nor...@msn.com
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 02:31:10 +




Many of the points in the needle bars like the Cheney ones are sapphires and 
not diamonds.  So far I have not seen a point mounted in a shank that was not 
worn or broken.  95% of the original Edison diamonds I have examined are 
broken, worn, or both.
This is a good article, it shows worn and broken diamonds and explains well.
I have found that the Columbia ball stylus mounted in a bar will play the Pathe 
records.  I ordered 5 diamonds made for use in a shank, but unfortunately they 
cut them too short.  If there is interest I could have more made.
Steve Medved

From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 03:23:34 +

Get in touch with George Vollema, Great Lakes Antique Phonographs.  He's great 
to do business with and has a huge stock of parts.  Having said that, if George 
can't help, I once made a Pathe stylus out of a bit of Dental technology, a 
"Pindex Pin" (ask your local dentist).  I drilled a very small hole in the end 
and glued in a sapphire cylinder stylus such as used on Columbia machines. It 
was ball shaped.   And I'll bet Steve Medved could make something with one of 
the new Edison DD styli he is having made here in the states.  George would be 
the easier way to go first though. Ron L From: Antique Phonograph List 
[mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org]
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 10:39 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders Thanks, Ron. Any idea 
where I might find one? I'd like to pick up a Pathe ball stylus, too -- I've 
never has any luck finding either on ebay. Ric

 Original message 
From: Antique Phonograph List 
Date: 10/16/2015 10:18 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: 'Antique Phonograph List' 
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders You would need an Edison 
style diamond which Sonora probably sold. Ron L From: Antique Phonograph List 
[mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org]
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 8:55 PM
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders One more question:  Like 
most wooden-arm Sonoras, this one comes with two reproducers, one for 
lateral-cut records, the other, it says, for vertical-cut and diamond discs.  
Could these really play diamond discs?  If so, what kind of stylus would you 
need, and where would you get one?From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 23:47:23 +I posted this query last month about 
restoring the record filing system in a Sonora Elite phonograph.  Since then, I 
have learned that Sonora actually called it an "envelope filing system," and 
that I have everything I need, EXCEPT for some sort of little metal brackets (a 
pair, to be precise) that secure the rods to the outside of the wooden 
framework for the filing system.  If you click on this link, scroll down to the 
third picture and look closely, you can sort of see what I'm talking about:

http://www.justanswer.com/antiques/5nb93-glenda-i-question-sonora-phonograph-recently.html#re.v/149/

Does anyone happen to have a pair of these they'd be willing to sell me, or at 
the very least a clearer photo of them?  I'd appreciate any help.

Thanks again,

Ric
uws...@gmail.com



From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 18:02:54 +I am in the process of restoring a nice 
Sonora phonograph in a mahogany bombe cabinet; I found it years ago at an 
estate sale, and it's taken me a while to get around to it.  Like many Sonoras, 
the paper record folders down below had been removed, presumably because they 
had disintegrated, as they typically do.  Miraculously, some years later I 
found another Sonora -- the same model -- with a trashed cabinet (no grille, 
broken legs, etc.) but a full set of record folders in excellent condition.  
Unfortunately, so much time has passed that I can no longer remember how to 
install the folders in the cabinet.  I found the attached photo online of the 
identical phonograph, and it seems like the rods (there are four of them, each 
half the width of the wooden bracket with the vertical slats) might slide into 
some holes in the bottom of the bracket, but I can't tell for sure.  Has 
anybody dealt with this before?  If so, could you possibly offer me some 
instructions?

Also, I'm not sure which model this is; it came with a booklet identifying it 
as an Elite, but all the photos online of Sonora Elites show a different, 
smaller model.  (The one with what looks like a capital "H" in the center of 
the