Re: [Phono-L] Isn't This A Reprint? The Talking Machine 1899 Catalogue
This is a buyers beware situation since you cannot write to bidders anymore. Neal's Antiques Cylinder and Disc Phonographs was run by Neal Gerichten. Back in 1983 he sold things. I do not know if he just sold these or he had them made but they are reprints. Neal offered to make me the tiny screw holding the moving stylus bar shoulders onto the weight for $2.00, I cannot even remember if I had it made. I do not know any collector that would put his stamp on originals. I know of other people who have these same reprints with Neal's stamp on them. I found it extremely funny that they were going so high being reprints from a seller that is not a phono person who called a dealer a collector. I recognized the address. Neal (Al) was a dealer. I thought this was original based on the price until another collector pointed out that they were reprints, when I saw Neal's stamp I knew it was a reprint. I do not know why Neal called himself Al as well unless a son took over from a father, but both of the letters I have from him from 1983 he signed them Neal and the address is 23 Waldo Ave. On the one paper Neal sent me it was written Al Gerichten with a NE in pen in front of it so it looks like NEAL GERICHTEN. Allen K might know Neal as I think I got Neal's address from the Antique Phonograph Monthly. Steve To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: clockworkh...@aol.com Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 21:23:39 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Isn't This A Reprint? The Talking Machine 1899 Catalogue I have two copies of an 1899 The Talking Machine catalogue that I assume to be reprints. There is a copy on eBay from Al Gerichten's collection. How does one know an original from a copy? The eBay number is 370972229899 The current bid seems way too high. Who reprinted these? It was a nice job but yet another that had no indication to set it apart from an original. Any information on these would be appreciated. Thanks and Happy New Year to All... Al . ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Recessed top automatic recorder reproducer
Hello, I need a recessed top with a serial number under 50,000 in good condition. I will trade a higher serial number top plus cash, please let me know if you are interested. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Opera like cabinet for A1 mechanism
He disregarded Eduardo for some reason. Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 19:02:57 -0800 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Opera like cabinet for A1 mechanism Steve, I know a guy in Peru who builds exact replica Victor VI cabinets and record cabinets, he might do it, but as others have pointed out it may not be cheap. I think it would be less than here for sure, but shipping may take a big bite. Let me know if you want his info. John Robles From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org phono-l@oldcrank.org; phonol...@yahoogroups.com phonol...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 4:24 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Opera like cabinet for A1 mechanism Hello, Does anyone know a person who could build a cabinet that would fit an A1 mechanism so they could have a 2/4 Opera? Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Opera like cabinet for A1 mechanism
Hello, Does anyone know a person who could build a cabinet that would fit an A1 mechanism so they could have a 2/4 Opera? Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Model H Reproducer question
Hello Don, Let me know if you got the e-mail I sent you off list. Steve From: phonowo...@hotmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 17:20:25 -0800 Subject: [Phono-L] Model H Reproducer question Hi All: I have a Model H reproducer with a top housing that has no printing on it other than the serial number. Can anyone shed info on this type of reproducer? I have seen them before but wasn't sure what the reason for this was. It is serial #C18226. It has the green lacquer finish as well. Thanks,Don Henry From: phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 10, Issue 248 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 12:00:01 -0800 Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to phono-l@oldcrank.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org You can reach the person managing the list at phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Phono-L digest... If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire digest in your message. Today's Topics: 1. Midnight, The Stars, and You - Wanted to Buy (Brantley Kuglar) -- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 13:55:01 -0500 (EST) From: Brantley Kuglar kugl...@hughes.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Midnight, The Stars, and You - Wanted to Buy Message-ID: 711961200.18973622.1385319301316.javamail.r...@md06.hughes.cmh.synacor.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi! Happy holidays to all.? Does anyone in this group have a nice copy of Midnight, The Stars, and You on 78 rpm?? Please let me know. Thanks! Brantley - Original Message - From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 9:11:44 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Grafonola Printing those off of nipperhead is not difficult at all. On 11/17/2013 03:34 AM, DanKj wrote: They must be somewhat printer-friendly; ?the reprints I see on ebay are obviously the same scans from Nipperhead - Original Message - There is also a multi-model booklet in reproduction often for sale on eBay. ?It is also available digitally for onscreen reference only (it is not printer friendly): http://www.nipperhead.com/old/colgraf.htm ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org -- ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org End of Phono-L Digest, Vol 10, Issue 248 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Reproducer top wanted
What does the carrige sell for? I believe I have an extra. Steve Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 19:37:21 -0700 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Reproducer top wanted Great info Steve, as always! You are a credit to this group. If anyone has a nice spare Fireside top mount carriage, I am in the market. Thanks John From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Reproducer top wanted The chips can be repaired, normally the chips are in the front and back where people tried to pry the reproducer out of the carriage. JB weld or a similar epoxy, I use steel putty, returns the top shape to round and a chrome paint makes it match a bit better. I use a large carriage broken in half courtesy of UPS to as a jig to fix the chips. You put Saran Wrap on the carriage so the epoxy will not stick to the carriage and put the Saran Wrap on the top of the epoxy to smooth the repair. This is something an average person can do, I am not that dexterous. With Swiss files you can match the rim on the late dome tops and smooth the area to match on the flat top. I am certain John could match the missing letters and sign his name on the side, but I am not that good. Ron Sitko is having new tops made, he estimates around $75 for each one. Some people do not realize the O N R and S all have the same top, the serial number is the only way you can ID the difference between the ON and the RS tops. The N-56 has RS serial numbers as the N-56 was made from RS tops when the RS were obsolete. The N-56 appeared around 70,000 in the ON serial numbers and around 31,000 in the RS serial numbers. An unscrupulous seller recently took an R top and this allowed him to sell a cobbled O for $750.00. I wonder how these money grubbers sleep, very well on their mattress stuffed with money I guess. Using micarta and a hammer frozen tops come out of the carriage easily and without damage. You want to remove the weight first and tap one side then the other seeing how far it moves each time by looking at the top of the top. Steve Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 04:06:17 -0700 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Reproducer top wanted Hello all Anybody got a decent top for a model O reproducer? Same top as used on models R and S. I am trying to improve on the O that I recently obtained, and the top has two chips in it. Thanks John ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Reproducer top wanted
The chips can be repaired, normally the chips are in the front and back where people tried to pry the reproducer out of the carriage. JB weld or a similar epoxy, I use steel putty, returns the top shape to round and a chrome paint makes it match a bit better. I use a large carriage broken in half courtesy of UPS to as a jig to fix the chips. You put Saran Wrap on the carriage so the epoxy will not stick to the carriage and put the Saran Wrap on the top of the epoxy to smooth the repair. This is something an average person can do, I am not that dexterous. With Swiss files you can match the rim on the late dome tops and smooth the area to match on the flat top. I am certain John could match the missing letters and sign his name on the side, but I am not that good. Ron Sitko is having new tops made, he estimates around $75 for each one. Some people do not realize the O N R and S all have the same top, the serial number is the only way you can ID the difference between the ON and the RS tops. The N-56 has RS serial numbers as the N-56 was made from RS tops when the RS were obsolete. The N-56 appeared around 70,000 in the ON serial numbers and around 31,000 in the RS serial numbers. An unscrupulous seller recently took an R top and this allowed him to sell a cobbled O for $750.00. I wonder how these money grubbers sleep, very well on their mattress stuffed with money I guess. Using micarta and a hammer frozen tops come out of the carriage easily and without damage. You want to remove the weight first and tap one side then the other seeing how far it moves each time by looking at the top of the top. Steve Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 04:06:17 -0700 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Reproducer top wanted Hello all Anybody got a decent top for a model O reproducer? Same top as used on models R and S. I am trying to improve on the O that I recently obtained, and the top has two chips in it. Thanks John ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison DD feature chronology?
I believe this question was asked before on one of the lists and if I remember correctly the first few of the CC-32 and the BC-34 did not have the 10 12 inch stop buttons. Edison was planning on making 12 inch records which he never did. All the BC-34 consoles I have seen had them and the CC-32 I owned did as well. I would ask Ron D about the governor. Both machines I mentioned above came out April 1922 according to the Frow book. Steve From: a...@popyrus.com Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 17:49:18 -0600 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Edison DD feature chronology? Hi Esteemed Group ~ Does there exist any documentation that could shed light on when two features were added to the DD machines? A young friend (actually my RCATheremin.com co-creator Mike Buffington), today acquired his first antique phonograph -- The popular Edison Diamond Disc BC-34. He's always interested in the historical details and would enjoy knowing when this machine was made, or nearly when. The features I'm wondering about, that this example has, are: a) 10 12 inch tone arm stop buttons (as in the Edison Long-play machines); b) The shock-proof governor assembly. The serial number is 45005 and I think I read in Frow that the BC-34 production run reached around 52,000 units and production was concluded in August 1927. I guess this makes it a late '26 or early '27 machine? Anyone know when the above mentioned features were introduced? Best to all, Andrew Baron Santa Fe ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer
What is the serial number of the top? Since it is not by the letters it should be above 390,000. Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 10:22:06 -0700 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer Hello all How about some opinions on this reproducer? It is an Edison model C top with a trimmed weight. Also, the sapphire bar is unusual, though it appears to contain an Edison doorknob sapphire. The hinge block has also been skillfully modified and is spring loaded, perhaps to counter the docked tailweight? The diaphragm is not an Edison, it is silver and it has a hump in the middle where the link attaches. Anyone got any ideas? Also there is a faint script capital F beneath the hole in the weight. Doesn't stand for Frick, I hope! Here is a link to some photos. I will add more later. http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Odd%20reproducer John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer
1904 I would guess. Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 15:25:37 -0700 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer It is 415944. From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer What is the serial number of the top? Since it is not by the letters it should be above 390,000. Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 10:22:06 -0700 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer Hello all How about some opinions on this reproducer? It is an Edison model C top with a trimmed weight. Also, the sapphire bar is unusual, though it appears to contain an Edison doorknob sapphire. The hinge block has also been skillfully modified and is spring loaded, perhaps to counter the docked tailweight? The diaphragm is not an Edison, it is silver and it has a hump in the middle where the link attaches. Anyone got any ideas? Also there is a faint script capital F beneath the hole in the weight. Doesn't stand for Frick, I hope! Here is a link to some photos. I will add more later. http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Odd%20reproducer John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer
It looks like a cut down Max Wurcker diaphragm. The two I told you about came from Oz, there was only the weights and the springs. Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 16:55:55 -0700 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer Interesting. I wonder when iand why the adaption was made? The aluminum diaphragm seems a copy of some of the disc reproducer diaphragms of later years. From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer 1904 I would guess. Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 15:25:37 -0700 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer It is 415944. From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer What is the serial number of the top? Since it is not by the letters it should be above 390,000. Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 10:22:06 -0700 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer Hello all How about some opinions on this reproducer? It is an Edison model C top with a trimmed weight. Also, the sapphire bar is unusual, though it appears to contain an Edison doorknob sapphire. The hinge block has also been skillfully modified and is spring loaded, perhaps to counter the docked tailweight? The diaphragm is not an Edison, it is silver and it has a hump in the middle where the link attaches. Anyone got any ideas? Also there is a faint script capital F beneath the hole in the weight. Doesn't stand for Frick, I hope! Here is a link to some photos. I will add more later. http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Odd%20reproducer John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Amberola Spring Re-greasing question
http://www.pexsupply.com/3M-7447-Scotch-Brite-General-Purpose-Pads-20-box-13751000-p?gclid=CIKdhZqIsrkCFUxo7AodUCEA5w From: maff...@bresnan.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 08:54:26 -0600 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola Spring Re-greasing question What is: Scotch brite later Bob -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Rich Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 2:42 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola Spring Re-greasing question Gently spring enough tabs to allow just popping the cover off. Scotch brite the spring to remove all the ossified graphite and Vaseline that is hanging it up. Relube with a high grade large clock spring lube or something like this http://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-product/grease/synthetic-polymeric-truck-chass is-and-equipment-grease-nlgi-1/?code=GPTR1CR-EA On 09/02/2013 03:08 PM, john robles wrote: Hello all I have a question. I have an Amberola 75 that I got a a possible trade/sale machine later on. For now I am keeping it. The springs are badly in need of lubrication, and the leaves are coming apart as the machine plays with noisy results. The springs may even need replacement. I have not regreased Amberola springs before, and I see that the barrels are held closed with metal tabs. To clean and grease the spring you have to unbend them. Anyone done this with successful results (i.e. not breaking the tabs while bending)? I am tempted to buy another good spring barrel assembly with quiet, well greased springs for $95 as opposed to doing it myself. If I send it out, it would cost me over $100 to have it done by someone else. I do spring replacement jobs on Edison phonos, but I don't like doing it! What's your advice? John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Amberola Spring Re-greasing question
50 and 75 springs are easy, which is worth more your time or your money? Triumph springs are a bit of a challenge. There are three tabs, do not touch the third tab. Open up the other two less than half way. You can remove the first tab that frees up the second two that are much easier to remove. You might have to pry up on the lid to get the first one. When you put them back they will stay. If you open all three up all the way they will break off when you try to bend them back. You can tell how good the springs are by how far they open up when you remove them from the barrel. Use mineral spirits to clean them, gasoline will make them harder to clean. Mineral spirits, kerosene, Jet fuel, and heating oil all work well. Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 13:08:32 -0700 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola Spring Re-greasing question Hello all I have a question. I have an Amberola 75 that I got a a possible trade/sale machine later on. For now I am keeping it. The springs are badly in need of lubrication, and the leaves are coming apart as the machine plays with noisy results. The springs may even need replacement. I have not regreased Amberola springs before, and I see that the barrels are held closed with metal tabs. To clean and grease the spring you have to unbend them. Anyone done this with successful results (i.e. not breaking the tabs while bending)? I am tempted to buy another good spring barrel assembly with quiet, well greased springs for $95 as opposed to doing it myself. If I send it out, it would cost me over $100 to have it done by someone else. I do spring replacement jobs on Edison phonos, but I don't like doing it! What's your advice? John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Dating Victor Exhibition Reproducers
I have an early gold reproducer with the nuts that had a needle bar that looks like they took a round hole and made a triangle out of it. I tried this a few years ago and did not get any replies. Steve Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 18:29:52 -0700 From: harveykrav...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Dating Victor Exhibition Reproducers A few months ago. I purchased a late model Victor E, S/N 55114. There are only 2 holes in the back of the case, so it was set up as a rear mount. I'm guessing this machine is from 1904-5.The reproducer that came with the machine is S/N 350479. This reproducer is original to the machine. The nickel plating and aging are consistent with the rest of the machine. The needle bar has the triangular hole for fiber needles. My guess that the reproducer was upgraded after 1909 after the triangular fiber needles were introduced. Originally, this reproducer would have had a round hole in the needle bar, and round knurled nuts. This leads to several questions about the Victor Exhibition reproducer. Is there a data chart with breakdowns of S/N's with dates? When did Victor switch to the hex nuts, but still retained the round hole? When did Victor use the spring loaded clamp, similar to the Columbia analyzing reproducer? When did Victor start using suffixes, like A after the S/N on their reproducers? Thanks in advance for any information on this. Harvey Kravitz ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 80
Hello Tim, Thanks for the info you provided, it is very hard to come by. I could not get the Diamond D reproducer to fit in the carriage with the sound tube in the horn on my 50, perhaps on an 80 the horn attaches differently and I could have installed the reproducer without it being in the horn and then attached the horn. I rebuilt a Diamond D and it was a huge undertaking as the normal pot metal weight had swollen so I had to remove material from the lead weight to get the lead weight to fit on the the pot metal weight. Then the lead weight had cracked because the pot metal had pushed it up so I had to reshape the lead weight so it would not hit the record. The stylus just barely clears as you said and it took me several tries before I had the lead weight properly installed so the stylus would play. Then the reproducer would not fit in my 50 carriage unless I took the weight off. The sound was much better without the weight. With the weight you got move volume but the sound was not as good. I would have liked to hear how it sounded on an 80 with an electrically recorded record. Sometimes people will destroy the pot metal weight when removing the lead weight. I have seen a large amount of these reproducers with the lead weight removed, now I know why. The extra weight is lead and only expands when the pot metal forces it to. The clearance between the record and the lead weight is very small, even with after I got the lead weight properly installed it looked like it would not work but it did. They made the lead weight so it would fit a diamond B as well. I have only seen one Diamond B with the extra lead weight attached. Steve To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: phonop...@aol.com Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 23:34:19 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 80 Hello Tim, Do you remember the serial numbers? I'll look into that and e-mail you separately. Did you ever rebuild a diamond D with the extra lead weight still on it? I personally found it impossible to rebuild a D with the big weight attached. How much difference does the larger horn make? Well, so much is dependent on the cylinder you are playing. I never made a comparison test between an 80 and, say, a 75. Was the carriage different? The diamond D will not fit in a 30 50 75 carriage unless you install the reproducer and then attach the weight. That's an interesting question. My perception is that the carriage is identical. The D only just clears the record. And they have a tendency to swell, which could explain why you found it a problem to get into the carriage. I had one like that myself. But my impression is a well-preserved D will in fact fit a regular carriage. TF ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 80
Hello Tim, Do you remember the serial numbers? Did you ever rebuild a diamond D with the extra lead weight still on it? How much difference does the larger horn make? Was the carriage different? The diamond D will not fit in a 30 50 75 carriage unless you install the reproducer and then attach the weight. Steve To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: phonop...@aol.com Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 09:11:48 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 80 Hi, all --- I've worked on two Amberola 80s and I'm intimately familiar with them. The biggest technical differences in the mechanism from, say, a 50 or 75 are 1) the governor, it has been given restraints to limit or rather control the movement of the weights 2) of course, the Diamond D reproducer. And the horn is of different proportions, of course. Cheers, Tim Fabrizio. -Original Message- From: mobility scooters mobilityscoot...@xtra.co.nz To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, Aug 26, 2013 12:41 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 80 I would just like to say Thank You to all for sharing this information especially Al and Steve. I have always thought that we are only Care Takers of the machines we own and I think our job is to keep or make any machine as original as it can be and play as well as it can and enjoy it!! Alongside that if we can collect and add any information on its own history or history of the actual machine is quite special. I am in New Zealand and without the help from Steve Medved many of my machines would still be dead or very sad machines including this Amberola 80. Since Steve overhauled the reproducer it sounds fantastic and I am sure it is as good or better than it was when new. It is now alive and I have the machine as close to original as I can and I am proud of that! But with this forum and all the helpful participants I can now add some more information on the Amberola 80 and keep this with the machine for the next owner. I hope people realize how important this forum is to other members with limited knowledge and how much a small collector like me in New Zealand appreciates it. We are just so far away from the USA and I must say that the internet is one of the biggest things to thank, as without this means of communication there would be such a lot of information lost or not shared and a huge amount of machines never being repaired because of not being able to find the missing parts or make the right contacts! Many Thanks Tony -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of clockworkh...@aol.com Sent: Monday, 26 August 2013 2:22 p.m. To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 80 I would have to agree with Steve Medved. Very likely 100 or less were made of each model, the 60 and the 80. Steve has seen more of them than I have. If I had research priveledges with the Site the 60 and 80 would be something to look into. I don't believe they had their own manuals but that is just an opinion. Best wishes, Al -Original Message- From: mobility scooters mobilityscoot...@xtra.co.nz To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, Aug 25, 2013 2:28 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola 80 Al, Do you have any information for the Amberola 80 machines. Also do you know if they made a sales brochure or manual for the Amberola 80? Thanks Tony ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 80
I agree about the caretaker part, I am the 4th owner of the 1901 standard, the others are gone. Antiques make us realize how long they are around compared to us. Thanks for the kind words, Al has been incredibly helpful to the hobby. It is amazing how much he knows and shares. Steve From: mobilityscoot...@xtra.co.nz To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 16:24:50 +1200 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 80 I would just like to say Thank You to all for sharing this information especially Al and Steve. I have always thought that we are only Care Takers of the machines we own and I think our job is to keep or make any machine as original as it can be and play as well as it can and enjoy it!! Alongside that if we can collect and add any information on its own history or history of the actual machine is quite special. I am in New Zealand and without the help from Steve Medved many of my machines would still be dead or very sad machines including this Amberola 80. Since Steve overhauled the reproducer it sounds fantastic and I am sure it is as good or better than it was when new. It is now alive and I have the machine as close to original as I can and I am proud of that! But with this forum and all the helpful participants I can now add some more information on the Amberola 80 and keep this with the machine for the next owner. I hope people realize how important this forum is to other members with limited knowledge and how much a small collector like me in New Zealand appreciates it. We are just so far away from the USA and I must say that the internet is one of the biggest things to thank, as without this means of communication there would be such a lot of information lost or not shared and a huge amount of machines never being repaired because of not being able to find the missing parts or make the right contacts! Many Thanks Tony -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of clockworkh...@aol.com Sent: Monday, 26 August 2013 2:22 p.m. To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 80 I would have to agree with Steve Medved. Very likely 100 or less were made of each model, the 60 and the 80. Steve has seen more of them than I have. If I had research priveledges with the Site the 60 and 80 would be something to look into. I don't believe they had their own manuals but that is just an opinion. Best wishes, Al -Original Message- From: mobility scooters mobilityscoot...@xtra.co.nz To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, Aug 25, 2013 2:28 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola 80 Al, Do you have any information for the Amberola 80 machines. Also do you know if they made a sales brochure or manual for the Amberola 80? Thanks Tony ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers
Hello Bruce, I estimate that less than 2,000 of the N-56 reproducers were made. They were optional for the V and VI's made before the fire when the regular N was found not to work. They were obsolete reproducers made to play wax Amberols. Edison still made and sold wax records until the fire although no new 2 minute titles were made after Sept 1912. He was puzzled at what to do about this until the fire did it for him. Wax records were easy to make and very profitable. The two hardest to find N reproducers are the trowel weight and the N-56. The N-56 was made from June 1913 to the fire of 1914. The trowel weight N came out around the time the trowel weight O did and does not have the lift pillar for the Amberola 5 and 6 lift lever as those machines were not yet made. When the R and S reproducers were no longer made Edison used the tops stamped with R and S serial numbers to make N-56 reproducers, thus the N-56 is found with RS and ON serial numbers. Thanks, Steve Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 15:00:14 + From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers Hi Steve, No, I don't have and N-56 for it to play the earlier wax amberolas. Those must be very uncommon. I will get you the serial number for the Diamond B though. Thanks for the reply, Bruce - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 9:52:53 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers Hello Bruce, What is the serial number of the reproducer on your machine and do you have a N-56 for it? I am trying to get an idea of serial numbers of the Diamond B reproducers from 1914. Steve Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 19:47:54 + From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers Do you have the same information on the Amberola V ? Mine is serial number 845 . - Original Message - From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 2:04:08 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers Thanks Al for these serial numbers. It's great to be able to put my Amberola 50 in context of the total production, not only of its own model, but of the series as a whole. Andrew Baron On Aug 25, 2013, at 12:14 AM, clockworkh...@aol.com wrote: The highest Amberola 30 I recorded is just below 344000. The highest Amberola 50 I have recorded is just over 43000. The highest Amberola 75 in my data mine is just over 21000. So, Steve Medved's reproducer number is in the ballpark for production figures... Regards to all, Al -Original Message- From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, Aug 24, 2013 7:49 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers Hi Steve ~ Do you have a sense of whether my nickel Diamond C reproducer 48233 would be original to my Amberola 50 Serial #5662? Also, any idea when the Diamond C went from nickel to black paint (year and serial number, more or less)? At a glance it seems the serial number of my Diamond C is way too high for my machine unless one factors in the greater number of Amberola 30's being produced. Still seems like a high reproducer number for the 4-digit machine serial number, but I'd like to get your opinion. This Amberola 50 is otherwise one of the best-preserved I've seen, decent and original outside, mint under the lid, very quiet and smooth low mile motor, etc. Andrew Baron On Aug 24, 2013, at 7:40 PM, Steven Medved wrote: It is a fairly low serial number, I worked on Amberola 30 number 137. My 50 is SM - - - 7488. I believe the 30 50 and 75 all had their own serial numbers as 137 had reproducer serial number 307 on it. SM is spring motor and number 137 did not have that on the ID plate. I believe just under 310,000 of the 30 50 and 75, 60, and 80's were made as I have not seen a Diamond D reproducer over 310,000. Steve Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 18:15:24 -0700 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers Hello all I just noticed that the Amberola 75 I purchased at the APS show a couple of weeks ago is serial numbered SM - - - 7072. The three dashes appear on the ID plate. I had not noticed this on other machines. Is this a low serial number? Also, the drawers do not have the clips for record boxes in them as did my last 75. I thought at first that the drawers were replacements, but on close inspection
Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers (Diamond B Serial Number M Reproducer Serial Number)
Hello Bruce, The serial numbers are hand stamped so the number size can vary. The lettering on the reproducers was machine stamped. Edison is the king of variety so I would love photos of your M and the serial number. I send you three e-mails with photos, let me know if you got them. The earliest M I know of has the flat K type weight with the serial number on the sound tube. The L and M share serial numbers, the L started off the series, the M joined in then dropped out and the L finished. The final L has the stylus bar held in with a pin not a screw. It was 10381, it was owned by Bill Floyd who was very nice about sending me photos. I wonder who would up with his collection? Steve Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 17:24:01 + From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers (Diamond B Serial Number M Reproducer Serial Number) Thanks for the Information Steve. The Serial Number on the Diamond B is 21708. Also since you are the official guru of Serial Number details, the serial number on the M Reproducer on my Amberola 1A is 3810. Curiously the number 38 is much smaller than the 10, like they may have been put on at two different time periods. This M is the earlier style with the round weight. Bruce - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 12:27:51 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers Hello Bruce, I estimate that less than 2,000 of the N-56 reproducers were made. They were optional for the V and VI's made before the fire when the regular N was found not to work. They were obsolete reproducers made to play wax Amberols. Edison still made and sold wax records until the fire although no new 2 minute titles were made after Sept 1912. He was puzzled at what to do about this until the fire did it for him. Wax records were easy to make and very profitable. The two hardest to find N reproducers are the trowel weight and the N-56. The N-56 was made from June 1913 to the fire of 1914. The trowel weight N came out around the time the trowel weight O did and does not have the lift pillar for the Amberola 5 and 6 lift lever as those machines were not yet made. When the R and S reproducers were no longer made Edison used the tops stamped with R and S serial numbers to make N-56 reproducers, thus the N-56 is found with RS and ON serial numbers. Thanks, Steve Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 15:00:14 + From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers Hi Steve, No, I don't have and N-56 for it to play the earlier wax amberolas. Those must be very uncommon. I will get you the serial number for the Diamond B though. Thanks for the reply, Bruce - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 9:52:53 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers Hello Bruce, What is the serial number of the reproducer on your machine and do you have a N-56 for it? I am trying to get an idea of serial numbers of the Diamond B reproducers from 1914. Steve Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 19:47:54 + From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers Do you have the same information on the Amberola V ? Mine is serial number 845 . - Original Message - From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 2:04:08 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers Thanks Al for these serial numbers. It's great to be able to put my Amberola 50 in context of the total production, not only of its own model, but of the series as a whole. Andrew Baron On Aug 25, 2013, at 12:14 AM, clockworkh...@aol.com wrote: The highest Amberola 30 I recorded is just below 344000. The highest Amberola 50 I have recorded is just over 43000. The highest Amberola 75 in my data mine is just over 21000. So, Steve Medved's reproducer number is in the ballpark for production figures... Regards to all, Al -Original Message- From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, Aug 24, 2013 7:49 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers Hi Steve ~ Do you have a sense of whether my nickel Diamond C reproducer 48233 would be original to my Amberola 50 Serial #5662? Also, any idea when the Diamond C went from nickel to black paint (year and serial number, more
Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers (Diamond B Serial Number M Reproducer Serial Number)
Hello Bruce, I am happy to hear that his wife enjoys collecting as well. I have no idea what his collection had in it except for the late L and a few machines he told me about. When you visit you can meet that L in person. Steve Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 18:43:29 + From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers (Diamond B Serial Number M Reproducer Serial Number) Thanks for the info, as far as I know Bill's wife Wendy, who is now Co-President of Mocaps (The Massachusetts Old Colony Antique Phonograph Society), still has his complete collection, and I have not heard that she has any intention (at least at this point) of parting with it. There is a meeting is a meeting scheduled at her house sometime in September. Bruce - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 2:32:03 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers (Diamond B Serial Number M Reproducer Serial Number) Hello Bruce, The serial numbers are hand stamped so the number size can vary. The lettering on the reproducers was machine stamped. Edison is the king of variety so I would love photos of your M and the serial number. I send you three e-mails with photos, let me know if you got them. The earliest M I know of has the flat K type weight with the serial number on the sound tube. The L and M share serial numbers, the L started off the series, the M joined in then dropped out and the L finished. The final L has the stylus bar held in with a pin not a screw. It was 10381, it was owned by Bill Floyd who was very nice about sending me photos. I wonder who would up with his collection? Steve Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 17:24:01 + From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers (Diamond B Serial Number M Reproducer Serial Number) Thanks for the Information Steve. The Serial Number on the Diamond B is 21708. Also since you are the official guru of Serial Number details, the serial number on the M Reproducer on my Amberola 1A is 3810. Curiously the number 38 is much smaller than the 10, like they may have been put on at two different time periods. This M is the earlier style with the round weight. Bruce - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 12:27:51 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers Hello Bruce, I estimate that less than 2,000 of the N-56 reproducers were made. They were optional for the V and VI's made before the fire when the regular N was found not to work. They were obsolete reproducers made to play wax Amberols. Edison still made and sold wax records until the fire although no new 2 minute titles were made after Sept 1912. He was puzzled at what to do about this until the fire did it for him. Wax records were easy to make and very profitable. The two hardest to find N reproducers are the trowel weight and the N-56. The N-56 was made from June 1913 to the fire of 1914. The trowel weight N came out around the time the trowel weight O did and does not have the lift pillar for the Amberola 5 and 6 lift lever as those machines were not yet made. When the R and S reproducers were no longer made Edison used the tops stamped with R and S serial numbers to make N-56 reproducers, thus the N-56 is found with RS and ON serial numbers. Thanks, Steve Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 15:00:14 + From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers Hi Steve, No, I don't have and N-56 for it to play the earlier wax amberolas. Those must be very uncommon. I will get you the serial number for the Diamond B though. Thanks for the reply, Bruce - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 9:52:53 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers Hello Bruce, What is the serial number of the reproducer on your machine and do you have a N-56 for it? I am trying to get an idea of serial numbers of the Diamond B reproducers from 1914. Steve Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 19:47:54 + From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers Do you have the same information on the Amberola V ? Mine is serial number 845 . - Original Message - From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l
Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers
. It is interesting that Edison used this, perhaps he was low on weights for the diamond B. It appears there were two heavy weight C versions. I have two heavy weight C weights and they are different widths. The one is 1.518 wide and the flat spring is not cast into the weight. The heavy weight B in the Frow book appears to be the earlier one as the extra weight on it is not universal. The other is made universal and is 1.614 wide with the flat spring cast into the weight.The later heavy weight fits the universal extra weight. It looks like a diamond D weight but is has no serial number on the weight. My theory now is that Edison made the heavy weight C first then made the Diamond D and the heavy weight C universal. I will never know and may be totally wrong, I might just have a diamond D weight with no serial number. The one heavy weight C weight I have is 1.519 inches wide. Both of the extra weights I have will fit both the diamond B and diamond C weight, there are three slots up front. To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: clockworkh...@aol.com Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 02:14:19 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers The highest Amberola 30 I recorded is just below 344000. The highest Amberola 50 I have recorded is just over 43000. The highest Amberola 75 in my data mine is just over 21000. So, Steve Medved's reproducer number is in the ballpark for production figures... Regards to all, Al -Original Message- From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, Aug 24, 2013 7:49 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers Hi Steve ~ Do you have a sense of whether my nickel Diamond C reproducer 48233 would be original to my Amberola 50 Serial #5662? Also, any idea when the Diamond C went from nickel to black paint (year and serial number, more or less)? At a glance it seems the serial number of my Diamond C is way too high for my machine unless one factors in the greater number of Amberola 30's being produced. Still seems like a high reproducer number for the 4-digit machine serial number, but I'd like to get your opinion. This Amberola 50 is otherwise one of the best-preserved I've seen, decent and original outside, mint under the lid, very quiet and smooth low mile motor, etc. Andrew Baron On Aug 24, 2013, at 7:40 PM, Steven Medved wrote: It is a fairly low serial number, I worked on Amberola 30 number 137. My 50 is SM - - - 7488. I believe the 30 50 and 75 all had their own serial numbers as 137 had reproducer serial number 307 on it. SM is spring motor and number 137 did not have that on the ID plate. I believe just under 310,000 of the 30 50 and 75, 60, and 80's were made as I have not seen a Diamond D reproducer over 310,000. Steve Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 18:15:24 -0700 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers Hello all I just noticed that the Amberola 75 I purchased at the APS show a couple of weeks ago is serial numbered SM - - - 7072. The three dashes appear on the ID plate. I had not noticed this on other machines. Is this a low serial number? Also, the drawers do not have the clips for record boxes in them as did my last 75. I thought at first that the drawers were replacements, but on close inspection they seem to be original, with no screw holes for the clips. Can anyone enlighten me? Did the earlier machines not have the clips? Or did the earlier ones HAVE the clips and later ones don't? Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers
Hello Andy, The nickel plated Diamond C was made for about two years. Your serial number would not be too high as the same reproducer went on the 30 50 and 75. Amberola 137 has Diamond C 307 and a lot of 30's were made. Al gave the high serial numbers he had. Regarding reproducers I did one better I sent you photos of the last nickel plated one, the transition, and the first pot metal tube one, the last one with the removable spring and the first cast in spring I have photos of. I have no doubt you machine is all original as the 30 production boosted up the reproducer number. Remember 1920 was the peak year for cylinder production. Steve From: a...@popyrus.com Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 20:31:37 -0600 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers Hi Steve ~ Do you have a sense of whether my nickel Diamond C reproducer 48233 would be original to my Amberola 50 Serial #5662? Also, any idea when the Diamond C went from nickel to black paint (year and serial number, more or less)? At a glance it seems the serial number of my Diamond C is way too high for my machine unless one factors in the greater number of Amberola 30's being produced. Still seems like a high reproducer number for the 4-digit machine serial number, but I'd like to get your opinion. This Amberola 50 is otherwise one of the best-preserved I've seen, decent and original outside, mint under the lid, very quiet and smooth low mile motor, etc. Andrew Baron On Aug 24, 2013, at 7:40 PM, Steven Medved wrote: It is a fairly low serial number, I worked on Amberola 30 number 137. My 50 is SM - - - 7488. I believe the 30 50 and 75 all had their own serial numbers as 137 had reproducer serial number 307 on it. SM is spring motor and number 137 did not have that on the ID plate. I believe just under 310,000 of the 30 50 and 75, 60, and 80's were made as I have not seen a Diamond D reproducer over 310,000. Steve Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 18:15:24 -0700 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers Hello all I just noticed that the Amberola 75 I purchased at the APS show a couple of weeks ago is serial numbered SM - - - 7072. The three dashes appear on the ID plate. I had not noticed this on other machines. Is this a low serial number? Also, the drawers do not have the clips for record boxes in them as did my last 75. I thought at first that the drawers were replacements, but on close inspection they seem to be original, with no screw holes for the clips. Can anyone enlighten me? Did the earlier machines not have the clips? Or did the earlier ones HAVE the clips and later ones don't? Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 80
Hello Tony, I have three serial numbers for these machines and one detailed photos from one machine that an extremely nice person took for me. Information is as rare as the machines themselves. I hope other people with knowledge will reply. The 80 was Edison's way to use up old parts. Steve From: mobilityscoot...@xtra.co.nz To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 09:11:48 +1200 Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola 80 Al, Do you have any information for the Amberola 80 machines. Also do you know if they made a sales brochure or manual for the Amberola 80? Thanks Tony ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers
Hello Bruce, What is the serial number of the reproducer on your machine and do you have a N-56 for it? I am trying to get an idea of serial numbers of the Diamond B reproducers from 1914. Steve Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 19:47:54 + From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers Do you have the same information on the Amberola V ? Mine is serial number 845 . - Original Message - From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 2:04:08 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers Thanks Al for these serial numbers. It's great to be able to put my Amberola 50 in context of the total production, not only of its own model, but of the series as a whole. Andrew Baron On Aug 25, 2013, at 12:14 AM, clockworkh...@aol.com wrote: The highest Amberola 30 I recorded is just below 344000. The highest Amberola 50 I have recorded is just over 43000. The highest Amberola 75 in my data mine is just over 21000. So, Steve Medved's reproducer number is in the ballpark for production figures... Regards to all, Al -Original Message- From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, Aug 24, 2013 7:49 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers Hi Steve ~ Do you have a sense of whether my nickel Diamond C reproducer 48233 would be original to my Amberola 50 Serial #5662? Also, any idea when the Diamond C went from nickel to black paint (year and serial number, more or less)? At a glance it seems the serial number of my Diamond C is way too high for my machine unless one factors in the greater number of Amberola 30's being produced. Still seems like a high reproducer number for the 4-digit machine serial number, but I'd like to get your opinion. This Amberola 50 is otherwise one of the best-preserved I've seen, decent and original outside, mint under the lid, very quiet and smooth low mile motor, etc. Andrew Baron On Aug 24, 2013, at 7:40 PM, Steven Medved wrote: It is a fairly low serial number, I worked on Amberola 30 number 137. My 50 is SM - - - 7488. I believe the 30 50 and 75 all had their own serial numbers as 137 had reproducer serial number 307 on it. SM is spring motor and number 137 did not have that on the ID plate. I believe just under 310,000 of the 30 50 and 75, 60, and 80's were made as I have not seen a Diamond D reproducer over 310,000. Steve Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 18:15:24 -0700 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers Hello all I just noticed that the Amberola 75 I purchased at the APS show a couple of weeks ago is serial numbered SM - - - 7072. The three dashes appear on the ID plate. I had not noticed this on other machines. Is this a low serial number? Also, the drawers do not have the clips for record boxes in them as did my last 75. I thought at first that the drawers were replacements, but on close inspection they seem to be original, with no screw holes for the clips. Can anyone enlighten me? Did the earlier machines not have the clips? Or did the earlier ones HAVE the clips and later ones don't? Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers
It is a fairly low serial number, I worked on Amberola 30 number 137. My 50 is SM - - - 7488. I believe the 30 50 and 75 all had their own serial numbers as 137 had reproducer serial number 307 on it. SM is spring motor and number 137 did not have that on the ID plate. I believe just under 310,000 of the 30 50 and 75, 60, and 80's were made as I have not seen a Diamond D reproducer over 310,000. Steve Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 18:15:24 -0700 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers Hello all I just noticed that the Amberola 75 I purchased at the APS show a couple of weeks ago is serial numbered SM - - - 7072. The three dashes appear on the ID plate. I had not noticed this on other machines. Is this a low serial number? Also, the drawers do not have the clips for record boxes in them as did my last 75. I thought at first that the drawers were replacements, but on close inspection they seem to be original, with no screw holes for the clips. Can anyone enlighten me? Did the earlier machines not have the clips? Or did the earlier ones HAVE the clips and later ones don't? Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem
Normally the Diamond B does not expand that much unless it was stored where temperatures varied over the years like an unheated attic where it got very cold in the winter and very hot in the summer. Pot metal reproducer on Vancouver Island in the Victoria area remain pristine due to the relative small variance in temperature. Edison compression rings vary in diameter from 1.59 to 1.69. If the largest ring you have will not thread I use Teflon tape because it will allow easy removal. With the Model R and S you have the opposite problem and need a smaller ring. That's Pot Metal Folks. Steve Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 04:39:49 -0700 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem Hello all I have a Diamond B reproducer with a curious problem. I went to rebuild it, and when I tried to unscrew the diaphragm retaining ring, it turned but did not want to come out. Finally I eased it out by unscrewing while working a small screwdriver blade under it to help push it outward. When it came out, I noticed that it had Scotch tape wrapped around it. When I removed the tape and went to screw it back into the reproducer, it fell to the bottom of the reproducer body. The threads did not engage with the body. I had another ring from a Diamond C and it did the same thing, but both rings worked in the Diamond C. I thought they were two different sized reproducer bodies, but apparently they are supposed to be the same diameter. A knowledgeable collector friend suggested that the pot metal body of the Diamond B might have expanded. Has anyone else had this happen? What would be a solution, other than shimming the ring again? Or is that THE solution? Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem
John, Measure them in different places. Steve Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 06:49:58 -0700 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem Steve, the diameter of both the Diamond B and Diamond C compressions rings is 1.66. The inside diameter of the Diamond C body is 1.66. The inner diameter of the Diamond B body ranges up to1.6730, and is slightly inconsistent in circumference. So there is obvious enlargement there. John From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 5:26 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem Normally the Diamond B does not expand that much unless it was stored where temperatures varied over the years like an unheated attic where it got very cold in the winter and very hot in the summer. Pot metal reproducer on Vancouver Island in the Victoria area remain pristine due to the relative small variance in temperature. Edison compression rings vary in diameter from 1.59 to 1.69. If the largest ring you have will not thread I use Teflon tape because it will allow easy removal. With the Model R and S you have the opposite problem and need a smaller ring. That's Pot Metal Folks. Steve Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 04:39:49 -0700 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem Hello all I have a Diamond B reproducer with a curious problem. I went to rebuild it, and when I tried to unscrew the diaphragm retaining ring, it turned but did not want to come out. Finally I eased it out by unscrewing while working a small screwdriver blade under it to help push it outward. When it came out, I noticed that it had Scotch tape wrapped around it. When I removed the tape and went to screw it back into the reproducer, it fell to the bottom of the reproducer body. The threads did not engage with the body. I had another ring from a Diamond C and it did the same thing, but both rings worked in the Diamond C. I thought they were two different sized reproducer bodies, but apparently they are supposed to be the same diameter. A knowledgeable collector friend suggested that the pot metal body of the Diamond B might have expanded. Has anyone else had this happen? What would be a solution, other than shimming the ring again? Or is that THE solution? Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem
Hello John, Your measurement was correct, sometimes they measure differently in different places. There are several different styles of the rings, some are oxidized, some are nickel plated. Some have two holes, some four. Some have two slots, some are made like the common CHK rings which also came with two slots. Steve From: john9...@pacbell.net Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 12:55:02 -0700 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem I did, in 6 places On Aug 18, 2013, at 11:13 AM, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote: John, Measure them in different places. Steve Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 06:49:58 -0700 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem Steve, the diameter of both the Diamond B and Diamond C compressions rings is 1.66. The inside diameter of the Diamond C body is 1.66. The inner diameter of the Diamond B body ranges up to1.6730, and is slightly inconsistent in circumference. So there is obvious enlargement there. John From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 5:26 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem Normally the Diamond B does not expand that much unless it was stored where temperatures varied over the years like an unheated attic where it got very cold in the winter and very hot in the summer. Pot metal reproducer on Vancouver Island in the Victoria area remain pristine due to the relative small variance in temperature. Edison compression rings vary in diameter from 1.59 to 1.69. If the largest ring you have will not thread I use Teflon tape because it will allow easy removal. With the Model R and S you have the opposite problem and need a smaller ring. That's Pot Metal Folks. Steve Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 04:39:49 -0700 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem Hello all I have a Diamond B reproducer with a curious problem. I went to rebuild it, and when I tried to unscrew the diaphragm retaining ring, it turned but did not want to come out. Finally I eased it out by unscrewing while working a small screwdriver blade under it to help push it outward. When it came out, I noticed that it had Scotch tape wrapped around it. When I removed the tape and went to screw it back into the reproducer, it fell to the bottom of the reproducer body. The threads did not engage with the body. I had another ring from a Diamond C and it did the same thing, but both rings worked in the Diamond C. I thought they were two different sized reproducer bodies, but apparently they are supposed to be the same diameter. A knowledgeable collector friend suggested that the pot metal body of the Diamond B might have expanded. Has anyone else had this happen? What would be a solution, other than shimming the ring again? Or is that THE solution? Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem
Ron L, Excellent idea, I would lack the skill and equipment to do it, no wonder that would never have entered my mind. I have thought about a giant tap for the ones that have shrunk, do you know the size? Steve From: lhera...@bu.edu To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 15:13:56 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem It's a brass ring, right? I wonder if you could slit the ring and soft solder in a spacer that is either just shy of the threads or filed to match the threads? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john robles Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 9:50 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem Steve, the diameter of both the Diamond B and Diamond C compressions rings is 1.66. The inside diameter of the Diamond C body is 1.66. The inner diameter of the Diamond B body ranges up to1.6730, and is slightly inconsistent in circumference. So there is obvious enlargement there. John From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 5:26 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem Normally the Diamond B does not expand that much unless it was stored where temperatures varied over the years like an unheated attic where it got very cold in the winter and very hot in the summer. Pot metal reproducer on Vancouver Island in the Victoria area remain pristine due to the relative small variance in temperature. Edison compression rings vary in diameter from 1.59 to 1.69. If the largest ring you have will not thread I use Teflon tape because it will allow easy removal. With the Model R and S you have the opposite problem and need a smaller ring. That's Pot Metal Folks. Steve Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 04:39:49 -0700 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem Hello all I have a Diamond B reproducer with a curious problem. I went to rebuild it, and when I tried to unscrew the diaphragm retaining ring, it turned but did not want to come out. Finally I eased it out by unscrewing while working a small screwdriver blade under it to help push it outward. When it came out, I noticed that it had Scotch tape wrapped around it. When I removed the tape and went to screw it back into the reproducer, it fell to the bottom of the reproducer body. The threads did not engage with the body. I had another ring from a Diamond C and it did the same thing, but both rings worked in the Diamond C. I thought they were two different sized reproducer bodies, but apparently they are supposed to be the same diameter. A knowledgeable collector friend suggested that the pot metal body of the Diamond B might have expanded. Has anyone else had this happen? What would be a solution, other than shimming the ring again? Or is that THE solution? Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] R S O N tops
Hello Tony, Thanks. Steve From: mobilityscoot...@xtra.co.nz To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 19:10:03 +1200 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] R S O N tops Al, Ha ha What a Fantastic description. I totally agree with you. AT times I must ask Steve so fairy dumb questions but he always explains and answers. It is fantastic to be able to ask and to learn. Tony -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of clockworkh...@aol.com Sent: Saturday, 10 August 2013 5:38 p.m. To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] R S O N tops Thanks Steve, it is always fun to attend the Medved University on line Reproducers 101 course... Kindest regards, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Model R Reproducer
Hello Tom, Al covered it very well. I rebuilt two R reproducers, one R that was still air tight and one I replaced the gaskets on. I rotated both styli and restored mechanical freedom to all the parts. The difference in sound was negligible between them. There are 6 different H bars, the R has two different ones, but the R never came with the one that has the thin tail. The earliest H bar was made to swivel in shoulders that do not move. I have not seen one in an early H but Model L serial number 79 came with a gold plated one. This Model L has the flat H weight and the very first of the 6 different large diaphragms. On the R I suggest replacing the link with .020 wire, .022 would be even better. When the R was new it fit the shoe adaptor like an iron and brass O fits a carriage. It was held in place with the three screws. As the pot metal would swell over the years it becomes a press fit. Sadly most R and S reproducers have large air leaks. The slot in the R and S adapter was put there so you could adjust the compression ring tightness. Again thanks to Al and Ron D. New gaskets on an Edison reproducer that does not have an air leak does not make much of a difference in sound. Replacing gaskets is not a rebuild. I restored a Diamond A that had new gaskets, is sounded horrible. The stylus was broken, the stylus bar was gummed up and did not move freely, the hinge block was gummed up and did not move freely. The diaphragm was warped. Each problem will reduce sound quality. I call the people that do this work Industrial Rebuilders. They consider replacing gaskets a rebuild and have no sound test. I will share my rebuild notes with anyone that asks. Even on the C reproducer I will make sure the stylus bar and hinge block moves freely. An Exhibition or No 2: soft gaskets and a diaphragm that has a high ring is important. You can even ring a copper diaphragm, the ones with a dull sound do not sound good. Ron D told me about doing this with Edison copper diaphragms and it works on mica as well. When you spin a coin and it drops it rings. Steve To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: clockworkh...@aol.com Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 02:48:25 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Model R Reproducer Hi Tom: I own 5 Model R Reproducers and have never seen a press fit. They all have had the three screws. I guess we will have to wait for Steve Medved to chime in with his findings. As for the low volume, the reproducer should be taken apart and serviced. Sometimes the diaphragm will have dirt and caked in grime that won't let it vibrate as designed. New gaskets for a tight seal might help. And I would be sure the 4 minute sapphire is good with a fresh face down. A worn stylus can give lousy sound. The linkage and stylus bar fulcrum may need work too. Also, be sure the stylus bar is the correct one for this reproducer. There are many Edison Reproducers that were assembled by kitchen table technicians showing up on eBay. Every time I think I have seen it all, something new comes along. Please let the list know what you find when the riddle of poor performance is solved. Regards, Al -Original Message- From: Tom Jordan tom...@msn.com To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thu, Aug 8, 2013 8:00 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Phono L I recently purchased an Edison Model R reproducer on e-bay to replace the one that I had to sell several years ago. The one that I owned before was a pressed fit (front and back). This one has three very small screws on the back. Will someone please tell me if the model R's were ever made this way or have I accidentally purchased a FrankenR? I have a few photos available if anyone would like to see them. The reproducer plays, but frankly, my C reproducers are much louder than this R. It seems to be in need of a rebuild. Thank you. Tom ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] R S O N tops
Thanks, I always appreciate it when people enjoy my research the way I have enjoyed by being helped along the way by so many including you, Andy. Steve From: a...@popyrus.com Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 10:58:50 -0600 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] R S O N tops I have to chime in here as well. I've always felt that we're all enriched and more than a little honored to be at the receiving end of Steve's wisdom and experience, to make these little (and sometimes not so little) precious machines, all the more pleasurable and rewarding. Thanks, Steve, Andrew Baron Santa Fe On Aug 9, 2013, at 11:38 PM, clockworkh...@aol.com wrote: Thanks Steve, it is always fun to attend the Medved University on line Reproducers 101 course... Kindest regards, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Phono L
I will give more details later, all R and S reproducer tops were held to the shoe adapter via 3 1-64 screws, same thread as the large top hinge block. From: tom...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 21:42:31 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Phono L I recently purchased an Edison Model R reproducer on e-bay to replace the one that I had to sell several years ago. The one that I owned before was a pressed fit (front and back). This one has three very small screws on the back. Will someone please tell me if the model R's were ever made this way or have I accidentally purchased a FrankenR? I have a few photos available if anyone would like to see them. The reproducer plays, but frankly, my C reproducers are much louder than this R. It seems to be in need of a rebuild. Thank you. Tom ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] R S O N tops
The top for the O N R and S are all the same top and when new the R and S top would fit in the large carriage. If you look at an R or S you will see the notch for the large carriage centering pin. When the dome tops came out Edison made them universal so they could be used for any reproducer, an O R N or S. Edison drilled and tapped three holes in the R and S tops, he used 1-64 threads the same as the large hinge block studs. The R and S have their own serial numbers, the O and N have their own serial numbers. When the O came out it was alone until around 22,000 when the N joined in. The R started out alone and around 13,330 the S joined in. The first R reproducers have a nickel plated brass bottom or shoe adapter. The later ones have a pot metal shoe adapter, but the nickel plated brass shoe adapter is found on the latest R and S reproducers sporadically as Edison always has an intermix, especially during the end run. By June 1913 the R and S was obsolete so Edison used up the tops stamped with R and S serial numbers to make the N-56 reproducer. The N-56 appeared in the 70,000 range in the O and N serial numbers, it is found with 31,000 R and S serial numbers as well. Thomas A Edison Inc. appears by 13377 on the R and by 26237 on the O. The R and S have all the different pot metal tops, the flat top that says Nat'l Phono Co, flat top that says TAE inc, the indented letter dome top and the raised letter dome top. Steve From: steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 05:47:04 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono L I will give more details later, all R and S reproducer tops were held to the shoe adapter via 3 1-64 screws, same thread as the large top hinge block. From: tom...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 21:42:31 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Phono L I recently purchased an Edison Model R reproducer on e-bay to replace the one that I had to sell several years ago. The one that I owned before was a pressed fit (front and back). This one has three very small screws on the back. Will someone please tell me if the model R's were ever made this way or have I accidentally purchased a FrankenR? I have a few photos available if anyone would like to see them. The reproducer plays, but frankly, my C reproducers are much louder than this R. It seems to be in need of a rebuild. Thank you. Tom ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] The New His Master's Voice Instrument
The No.4 reproducer was made for those who could not afford to update to the new Orthophonic machines so they could buy and enjoy the electrically recorded records. From: ediso...@verizon.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 05:10:01 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] The New His Master's Voice Instrument The HMV 162 (and others) had a sheet metal saxophone horn - it ran down to the bottom of the cabinet then back up to the horn grille. There's a photo on this page: http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewtopic.php?f=2t=2906start=10 ... The 203 Re-Entrant horn was also made of sheet metal, which gave it a high-frequency response advantage over the rough wooden Victor Orthophonic type horns. If you can access YooToob, search for the different model numbers you should find some demonstrations. Most seem to have had the No.4 reproducer, so they won't be quite up to the Orthophonic standard. - Original Message - From: Jim Cartwright jim...@earthlink.net Was looking at a couple of HMV record sleeves that promote the just introduced electrical recordings (though the term isn't used) the statement Listen to the bass! but instruments illustrated on one of the sleeves are in rather small cabinets with horn openings no larger than pre-Orthophonic Victrolas in comparable sized cabinets, especially the Table Grand Model (No. 127) but also the Cabinet Grand Model (No. 162). Could these have had somewhat larger folded horns that could come anywhere near to reproducing the bass response of the earliest electrical recordings? If not, how could the listener, Listen to the Bass! as the copy writer admonished? (The other sleeve shows a large 'Re-Entrant' Model (No. 203) with horn opening filling the entire front of the cabinet which would probably be the HMV equivalent of the Victrola Orthophonic Credenza.) What kind of horns, tonearms soundboxes were embodied in the HMV No. 127 162 how do these perform when playing earliest electrical recordings? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Edison Gem with C in serial number $1995.00
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Edison-Gem-Cylinder-Phonograph-With-C-In-Serial-Number-C-Reproducer-Very-Nice-/151080914767 This auction is for the best condition Gem Edison original cylinder player I have ran across. If you check the picture of the serial plate you will see it has the C in the serial number. The reproducer is also a C type. The horn is original and very nice with no dents or dings. I would say the crane is a reproduction. The paint on the player and the horn is very nice and has a very nice gloss. The wood case is very fine with no cracks or missing wood. Overall I can't find much wrong at all. It plays fine and I will include one cylinder so you can play it as soon as it arrives to you. If you would like to own the best Gem I have ever seen this is the one. You are buying this vintage Edison cylinder player in AS IS condition. Having said that we only sell quality items. Other items in the pictures are not included in this auction. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] My Attempt at Model O reproducer quiz
The reproducer top is an R's top from 1911, the bottom is also likely from 1911 or later. 12673 is the highest iron and brass top I know of, 13028 is the lowest pot metal top I know of. Both of the dome tops appear in the 41,000 range, the raised letter dome top is rarely found below 50,000. The O and N share serial numbers, the N joined in around 22,000, the O dropped out around 65,000. The R and S are merely large tops with a shoe adapter to fit the small carriage. The R and S share serial numbers. The N-56 is found with R and S serial numbers. It is my theory that when Edison stopped making the R and S he used up tops that were intended for the R and S. Just over 30,000 R and S reproducers were made, the S joined in around 13,300. The top is from a Model R, the pointer appeared around 9800 and the large O appeared around 5900. The holes in the tops that were tapped 1-64 to hold the shoe adapter to the R and S the top on did not appear on the Model O reproducers until the 41,000 range when the dome tops appeared and Edison made the tops universal so they could be made into an O N R or S. I have even seen two iron and brass O tops made into Model N reproducers. To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: clockworkh...@aol.com Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 03:55:34 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] My Attempt at Model O reproducer quiz 1. What year was the reproducer in the photo made? Steve, is that a trick question? I think that O was put together from parts in 2013. 2. What is unusual about the reproducer in the photo? The serial number is from the R and S Reproducers. The weight has the large O which was later. The thumb knob has a pointer which an early brass topped iron body with a low serial number would not have had. The pointer came along many many thousand later than 491. An original O body should have a milled cove in the body rim for the carriage arm locking screw to hold the Reproducer in place. If the body were an N there would be that milled cove also. 3. When did the first pot metal O tops come out? Sometime after serial number 12462 and before 13340; but, as a date, I would hazard a wild guess that it was for the Home E in March 1911. 4. What is the difference between an O, N, and N-56 R S top? Hole placement, number of holes for screws, and limit pin thread pitch. I know I am missing a lot but I am too lazy to go grab a bunch for comparison. 5. When did the dome tops come out? I have a potmetal dome N serial 17612. Since they were announced in November 1911, I would guess January 1912. It is late and my brain is on idle so I know that's wrong. Like many sellers on eBay the description was written just to have something to read. Any factual semblance to reality is purely accidental. Too many sellers are downright misleading to con newbies into buying their junk. SAD... OK Steve, I await your comments to be enlightened and educated. Note: this has nothing to do with the seller, it is all about learning and this is the best way to learn as it illustrates several important reproducer principles I hope to make common knowledge. Thanks for the brain exercise, I look forward to the answers, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Amberola 30 louvers in front of the bedplate
Did Edison ever make an Amberola 30 that did not have the louvers above the horn? Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Model O serial number 491 reproducer quiz
http://www.ebay.com/itm/EDISON-PHONOGRAPH-MODEL-O-2-4-MINUTE-REPRODUCER-REBUILT-PLAYS-GREAT-/200940043348 Here is a model O reproducer serial number 491. 1. What year was the reproducer in the photo made? 2. What is unusual about the reproducer in the photo? 3. When did the first pot metal O tops come out? 4. What is the difference between an O, N, and N-56 R S top? 5. When did the dome tops come out? Note: this has nothing to do with the seller, it is all about learning and this is the best way to learn as it illustrates several important reproducer principles I hope to make common knowledge. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison electrical DDs
Finnish: 59305-59306 Spanish/Cuban: 60063-60078 60063 is the earliest, released DD electrical matrix. German: 57025-57034 52089 to 52651 for the 50,000 series 80885 to 80907 for the 80,000 series 82351 to 82360 for the 82,000 series Please remember that the 82500 series was not part of the 82000 series. From: aph4...@aol.com Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 01:23:00 -0400 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Edison electrical DDs I have recently bought a bunch of Edison DDs of the 52000 series. The original owner just died and these were in his estate sale. The are absolutely pristine and sound great. I know that Edison started electrically recording these somewhere about July 1927, But can someone give me the number of the first electrically recorded diamond disc? Thanks, Art Heller ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison electrical DDs
Hello Art, What is the highest catalog number you have? Steve From: aph4...@aol.com Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 11:28:38 -0400 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison electrical DDs Thanks Mike, But wasn't that actually recorded in Sept. and Oct. 1927? I'm going by Edison Diamond Disc Re-Creations, 1910-1929 The coupling supplement date(whatever that means) is Sept for R and Oct for L. . Then there is a cut out date of Oct 1929. I guess that is when it was cut out of the catalog. It's somewhat confusing. Anyway, I am glad to hear that all the records I picked up are electrically recorded. ---Art Heller In a message dated 6/15/2013 12:17:28 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, smst...@gmail.com writes: Art, My notes have it at 52089, Oct,1929 I'm gonna settle up (then I'm gonna settle down) and Here I am Broken Hearted, By J. Donald Parker . Per Raymond Wile Mike Stitt Oldcranky On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 10:23 PM, aph4...@aol.com wrote: I have recently bought a bunch of Edison DDs of the 52000 series. The original owner just died and these were in his estate sale. The are absolutely pristine and sound great. I know that Edison started electrically recording these somewhere about July 1927, But can someone give me the number of the first electrically recorded diamond disc? Thanks, Art Heller ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison electrical DDs
Hello Art, The 82,000 series is very rare in the electric series and they sell high. I have some in the 80,000 series. Most people are not aware of the other series. Steve From: aph4...@aol.com Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 16:07:26 -0400 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison electrical DDs Thanks Steve, I think I'm only going to concern myself with the 52000 series for now. I've never seen any electrical recordings in the other series. ---Art Heller In a message dated 6/15/2013 10:11:48 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, steve_nor...@msn.com writes: Finnish: 59305-59306 Spanish/Cuban: 60063-60078 60063 is the earliest, released DD electrical matrix. German: 57025-57034 52089 to 52651 for the 50,000 series 80885 to 80907 for the 80,000 series 82351 to 82360 for the 82,000 series Please remember that the 82500 series was not part of the 82000 series. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison electrical DDs
52651 released November 1929 hard to find as there was only the initial release. I wonder how many were made and how many survive. Steve From: smst...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 13:36:25 -0700 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison electrical DDs Hey Steve, Mine is 52651. Too bad I traded away my cylinder by the Blue Babies, Heaven help a Sailor on a night like this...lol Oldcranky On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 1:07 PM, aph4...@aol.com wrote: Thanks Steve, I think I'm only going to concern myself with the 52000 series for now. I've never seen any electrical recordings in the other series. ---Art Heller In a message dated 6/15/2013 10:11:48 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, steve_nor...@msn.com writes: Finnish: 59305-59306 Spanish/Cuban: 60063-60078 60063 is the earliest, released DD electrical matrix. German: 57025-57034 52089 to 52651 for the 50,000 series 80885 to 80907 for the 80,000 series 82351 to 82360 for the 82,000 series Please remember that the 82500 series was not part of the 82000 series. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Asbestos in Edison records
The coated ones were coated with a material to resist moisture and it worked. From Ron D. Steve the parrot From: ediso...@verizon.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 01:15:28 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Asbestos in Edison records Your question brings another to mind: Blue Amberols with blue plaster seem to need reaming much less often than the later plain plaster pressings. I've been going through my cylinders lately, and almost all blue-cored examples are fine, while many white-cored ones won't fit on a mandrel far enough to play to the end. Could the dye have something to do with it, or might there be another reason .. ? - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 5:18 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Asbestos in Edison records I have read that the blue Amberol plaster of Paris has asbestos. Did the Diamond Discs as well? Normally this would not cause any concern, but people that ream blue Amberols should be careful. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Asbestos in Edison records
I have read that the blue Amberol plaster of Paris has asbestos. Did the Diamond Discs as well? Normally this would not cause any concern, but people that ream blue Amberols should be careful. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Asbestos in Edison records
I don't so I always appreciate credible correctors. Steve To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: gpaul2...@aol.com Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 17:42:18 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Asbestos in Edison records Don't believe everything you read! George P. -Original Message- From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wed, May 15, 2013 5:33 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Asbestos in Edison records I have read that the blue Amberol plaster of Paris has asbestos. Did the Diamond Discs as well? Normally this would not cause any concern, but people that ream blue Amberols should be careful. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Phonograph movers
What packing and moving companies are recommended for larger phonographs? Thanks, Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Cabinet maker wanted
A friend is looking to have a case made for an A1 mechanism. The Triumph case is too small and he wants it done in quarter sawn oak. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Interesting or Uninteresting Suitcase standard observation.
3624 is an early one. As per Edison there is no definate cut off regarding the ones without the gear cover. The new model A appeared around 30,000 and yet I know of a suitcase around 42,000 and a bed plate around 44,000 with the raised lug. The armed C was made into 1907 for two reasons, Edison never wasted and to upgrade the carriage with the two clips an arm was needed. The serial number of the C will let you know when it was upgraded. Steve Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 20:49:31 -0500 From: b...@taney.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Interesting or Uninteresting Suitcase standard observation. It has a winged C and older style carriage thumbscrew. Serial #3624 Bill On 3/25/13 8:23 PM, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote: Hello Bill, What is the serial number of the Standard? The early ones do not have a gear cover. Did it have a reproducer? Steve Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 19:56:46 -0500 From: b...@taney.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org; phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Interesting or Uninteresting Suitcase standard observation. I picked up a suitcase standard very inexpensively today (of the 2 clip variety). I got it and started to look at it and realized that it's mechanism is different than the banner model A standard. The spring barrel is smaller and appears to use a different spring and the turn off mechanism appears different and just presses on the governor yolk instead of having a felt brake of it's own. In addition, it appears no gear cover ever existed for this machine as there are no holes and no way to affix the model A 2 minute gear cover without drilling a hole. I thought the mechanisms were identical, so I guess it was just a bit of education. Bill ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Interesting or Uninteresting Suitcase standard observation.
Hello Bill, What is the serial number of the Standard? The early ones do not have a gear cover. Did it have a reproducer? Steve Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 19:56:46 -0500 From: b...@taney.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org; phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Interesting or Uninteresting Suitcase standard observation. I picked up a suitcase standard very inexpensively today (of the 2 clip variety). I got it and started to look at it and realized that it's mechanism is different than the banner model A standard. The spring barrel is smaller and appears to use a different spring and the turn off mechanism appears different and just presses on the governor yolk instead of having a felt brake of it's own. In addition, it appears no gear cover ever existed for this machine as there are no holes and no way to affix the model A 2 minute gear cover without drilling a hole. I thought the mechanisms were identical, so I guess it was just a bit of education. Bill ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] The Death of Amberola III SN304
For some people money is the most important thing and they purchase machines at low prices just to break them up and maximize profits. Nice to see we have people like John to counterbalance. Steve From: john9...@pacbell.net Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 05:51:05 -0700 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] The Death of Amberola III SN304 What a jerk. I've had machines I knew would sell for more in parts, but I just can't morally do that. John Robles Sent from my i la la la On Mar 23, 2013, at 8:45 PM, Peter Fraser pjfra...@mac.com wrote: Well now some of the bits have sold. So uncool to break up a perfectly good machine like that. I contacted him further and politely suggested he reconsider, and he responded: IF SOMEONE WINS ALL THE AUCTIONS I HAVE ON THIS GRAMOPHONE. THEY WILL GET THE COMPLETE GRAMOPHONE. I WILL NOT PART IT OUT - peachland250 Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Mar 21, 2013, at 11:20 PM, Peter Fraser pjfra...@mac.com wrote: I contacted the seller today, who is in a relatively remote part of British Columbia, to ask why. The response was that it's easier to ship small parts. Jerk. Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Mar 21, 2013, at 10:55 PM, clockworkh...@aol.com wrote: It is with great sadness that I note the death of a fine and rare example of an Amberola III. The III wasn't even sick. It played until the bitter end. It's death came at the hands of someone on eBay who decided to part it out. The cabinet, rear inspection door, motor, Diamond A Reproducer, and other parts were drawn and quartered because someone figured they would sell for more than the whole machine. I believe only about 1,200 of these machines were made. They are only rarely found in such nice condition as 304 was. We Edison fanatics will miss her. Best wishes to a very quiet list, Al -Original Message- From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com; phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thu, Mar 21, 2013 6:15 pm Subject: [Phono-L] For sale square box Combination attachment for Edison Standard Phonograph Model B $27.00 Hello, I have photos, $27.00 includes priority mail shipping in a 7x7x6 box. The box is excellent, it does show age the label is brown but all there. It has the smaller box cemented inside with the holder for the Model H reproducer. I have photos if anyone is interested. I paid $20 or $25 for it years ago, with shipping I will about break even. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] The Death of Amberola III SN304
Before I knew he was a clown I sent him a note telling him the reproducer was a Diamond A, he sent a note back telling me it was a B. Evidently he is a regular at this. To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: clockworkh...@aol.com Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 02:57:57 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] The Death of Amberola III SN304 I sent this off to the seller and got the same answer as you, Peter: Dear peachland250, A friendly note, the machine you are breaking up is one of only 1,200 Amberola III machines made. The few remaining examples have historically been worth more than the parts since collectors value the machine as a whole and yours has the serial number on the cabinet too. Few collectors will need parts other than the motor and the reproducer. The last time an Amberola III sold at auction here in California, it went for $3,200 and it was not as clean as yours. I would be surprised if you get that much for the various components. My goal was to instill a good case of SELLER'S REMORSE... Since inducing guilt in the face of greed rarely works ! ! ! Regards, Al -Original Message- From: Peter Fraser pjfra...@mac.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, Mar 23, 2013 8:00 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] The Death of Amberola III SN304 Well now some of the bits have sold. So uncool to break up a perfectly good machine like that. I contacted him further and politely suggested he reconsider, and he responded: IF SOMEONE WINS ALL THE AUCTIONS I HAVE ON THIS GRAMOPHONE. THEY WILL GET THE COMPLETE GRAMOPHONE. I WILL NOT PART IT OUT - peachland250 Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Attn: Steve Medved, re: original hinge block
Hello Bill, I must agree with you, but I will still honor the offer I made below but after this I will no longer associate with Chuck Richards. I spent 5 hours editing the e-mail to him to make certain I did not offend him, he took this as me blowing him off. He send me an e-mail titled last chance which I took as a threat, but I had no idea he would give me less than 24 hours to respond to the insulting phone message he left for me where he stated that he had no idea how such poor work left my shop when the reproducer left in his hand. My offer still stands to Chuck: If you want an original hinge block send me the repro back along with the address where you want it sent and I will send an original in a padded mailer first class with delivery confirmation so I will know you have received it. I will send you the glass diaphragm at no charge along with the metal diaphragm at no charge and the early copper diaphragm at no charge. I will send you two reproduction eyelets al ong with these parts at no charge. I will send the glass diaphragm in a round tin wrapped in tissue to protect it. Steve CC: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: b...@taney.com Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 18:40:28 -0500 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Attn: Steve Medved, re: original hinge block Agreed.. I understand you have your differences with Steve, but you don't have to be a dick about it. Bill Sent from my iPhone On Mar 24, 2013, at 6:11 PM, Paul Christenzen pic...@gmail.com wrote: ONE WEEK... come on - Steve's the most honest, reliableand able guy I've met in 40 years of collecting - sheesh...give the guy a chance to breathe before you try to embarrass him!! chuck richards wrote: This is a completely on topic post. Sorry for previously mis-posting in Amberola lll topic about this. Steve Medved: I need for you to honor your agreement to ship to me one original hinge block for the reworked Edison model H top. You made this agreement with me one week ago, and have not shown any signs so far of honoring it as of yet. There is still time to fix all of this and to make it right. I will be waiting. Apologies to the forum for using it this way. I wanted one completely properly titled, properly on-topic post about this. Chuck Richards http://www.richardslaboratories.com $4.95/mo. National Dialup, Anti-Spam, Anti-Virus, 5mb personal web space. 5x faster dialup for only $9.95/mo. No contracts, No fees, No Kidding! See http://www.All2Easy.net for more details! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] The Death of Amberola III SN304
Dear Chuck, I was not at home when you sent me this and I just now received it at 9:21 P.M. I get many e-mails and often get behind. Sorry for this. Steve From: chuc...@all2easy.net To: steve_nor...@msn.com; phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] The Death of Amberola III SN304 Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 12:13:19 -0800 Steve, Please get in touch with me ASAP about sending the original hinge block that you promised. Thank You! Chuck Richards http://www.richardslaboratories.com Original Message From: steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] The Death of Amberola III SN304 Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 15:37:27 -0400 For some people money is the most important thing and they purchase machines at low prices just to break them up and maximize profits. Nice to see we have people like John to counterbalance. Steve From: john9...@pacbell.net Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 05:51:05 -0700 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] The Death of Amberola III SN304 What a jerk. I've had machines I knew would sell for more in parts, but I just can't morally do that. John Robles Sent from my i la la la On Mar 23, 2013, at 8:45 PM, Peter Fraser pjfra...@mac.com wrote: Well now some of the bits have sold. So uncool to break up a perfectly good machine like that. I contacted him further and politely suggested he reconsider, and he responded: IF SOMEONE WINS ALL THE AUCTIONS I HAVE ON THIS GRAMOPHONE. THEY WILL GET THE COMPLETE GRAMOPHONE. I WILL NOT PART IT OUT - peachland250 Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Mar 21, 2013, at 11:20 PM, Peter Fraser pjfra...@mac.com wrote: I contacted the seller today, who is in a relatively remote part of British Columbia, to ask why. The response was that it's easier to ship small parts. Jerk. Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Mar 21, 2013, at 10:55 PM, clockworkh...@aol.com wrote: It is with great sadness that I note the death of a fine and rare example of an Amberola III. The III wasn't even sick. It played until the bitter end. It's death came at the hands of someone on eBay who decided to part it out. The cabinet, rear inspection door, motor, Diamond A Reproducer, and other parts were drawn and quartered because someone figured they would sell for more than the whole machine. I believe only about 1,200 of these machines were made. They are only rarely found in such nice condition as 304 was. We Edison fanatics will miss her. Best wishes to a very quiet list, Al -Original Message- From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com; phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thu, Mar 21, 2013 6:15 pm Subject: [Phono-L] For sale square box Combination attachment for Edison Standard Phonograph Model B $27.00 Hello, I have photos, $27.00 includes priority mail shipping in a 7x7x6 box. The box is excellent, it does show age the label is brown but all there. It has the smaller box cemented inside with the holder for the Model H reproducer. I have photos if anyone is interested. I paid $20 or $25 for it years ago, with shipping I will about break even. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org $4.95/mo. National Dialup, Anti-Spam, Anti-Virus, 5mb personal web space. 5x faster dialup for only $9.95/mo. No contracts, No fees, No Kidding! See http://www.All2Easy.net for more details! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] The Death of Amberola III SN304
Dear Chuck, I was away half of Saturday and most all of Sunday. Saturday I spent the first half of the day working on reproducers to get caught up and was gone the other half. I am not upset with you at all and I wish you the best. If you want to accept my offer please let me know and I will send the items at no cost, but my trust in you is gone so after that I will not associate with you. You make the best blanks I have ever used and if anyone will ask me about your blanks I will tell them you are the best in my opinion. I wish you the best, Steve From: chuc...@all2easy.net To: steve_nor...@msn.com; phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] The Death of Amberola III SN304 Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 13:09:19 -0800 Steve M., Since you have time to post here, but do not have time nor the inclination to return my emails or telephone calls, I have little to no choice but to post here in hopes that you will see this and respond to it. I need for you to send me the original hinge block that you promised me one week ago. I am so sorry to all of the other list members that I must resort to using this list in this way. It will not happen often, nor maybe ever again. This is such an unusual and unexpected circumstance, that I have no other options at this point. Please everyone try to forgive me for doing it this way. But I have exhausted every other option. Chuck Richards Original Message From: steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] The Death of Amberola III SN304 Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 16:18:34 -0400 Before I knew he was a clown I sent him a note telling him the reproducer was a Diamond A, he sent a note back telling me it was a B. Evidently he is a regular at this. To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: clockworkh...@aol.com Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 02:57:57 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] The Death of Amberola III SN304 I sent this off to the seller and got the same answer as you, Peter: Dear peachland250, A friendly note, the machine you are breaking up is one of only 1,200 Amberola III machines made. The few remaining examples have historically been worth more than the parts since collectors value the machine as a whole and yours has the serial number on the cabinet too. Few collectors will need parts other than the motor and the reproducer. The last time an Amberola III sold at auction here in California, it went for $3,200 and it was not as clean as yours. I would be surprised if you get that much for the various components. My goal was to instill a good case of SELLER'S REMORSE... Since inducing guilt in the face of greed rarely works ! ! ! Regards, Al -Original Message- From: Peter Fraser pjfra...@mac.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, Mar 23, 2013 8:00 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] The Death of Amberola III SN304 Well now some of the bits have sold. So uncool to break up a perfectly good machine like that. I contacted him further and politely suggested he reconsider, and he responded: IF SOMEONE WINS ALL THE AUCTIONS I HAVE ON THIS GRAMOPHONE. THEY WILL GET THE COMPLETE GRAMOPHONE. I WILL NOT PART IT OUT - peachland250 Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org $4.95/mo. National Dialup, Anti-Spam, Anti-Virus, 5mb personal web space. 5x faster dialup for only $9.95/mo. No contracts, No fees, No Kidding! See http://www.All2Easy.net for more details! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] For sale square box Combination attachment for Edison Standard Phonograph Model B $27.00
Hello, I have photos, $27.00 includes priority mail shipping in a 7x7x6 box. The box is excellent, it does show age the label is brown but all there. It has the smaller box cemented inside with the holder for the Model H reproducer. I have photos if anyone is interested. I paid $20 or $25 for it years ago, with shipping I will about break even. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] list down?
Quiet. From: lhera...@bu.edu To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 08:54:31 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] list down? I've been asked if the list is not working, so this is a test to satisfy my curiosity. Down or just quiet? Ron L ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 50 gear cover wanted to buy
Ron Haring had one with the hole at the Orlando show, he might still have it. Steve Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 14:24:58 -0600 From: b...@taney.com To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com; phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola 50 gear cover wanted to buy I picked up a Amberola Model 50 today and it is missing the gear cover and screws, otherwise it's in really great shape. Does anyone have an extra Amberola 50 gear cover and hopefully screws they would like to sell? On another less pressing note, I am looking for a mint fireside model A. Anyone have any leads on either of these I would appreciate it. Thanks Bill ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Blue Amberols 5720 and 5721
The were not released, but do copies exist? Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Go-To Recording for Testing a New Machine / Reproducer
I use the latest loudest record I can find so any distortion will show up. Steve From: a...@popyrus.com Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 22:59:55 -0700 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Go-To Recording for Testing a New Machine / Reproducer Hi Arvin ~ Great question and I'd be interested in hearing more answers to it from our astute members. I usually try a freshly rebuilt reproducer on a variety of records that includes: Violin, Soprano voice, bells, at least one unusually strident limited passage (2 or 3 grooves). This takes care of the high end. Baritone voice and cello for the low. Also, vocal quartet and small instrumental ensembles (to see if differential details are noticed). Sharp voices like some moment's of Billy Murray's (acoustic) recordings are also good to check how well the reproducing apparatus hangs onto the shrill passages without distorting. The above mainly accounts for cylinders and acoustic discs, for acoustic-era machines. For early electric era I always include vibraphone. Really anything that is rich in natural harmonics works well. Benny Goodman Quartet's Moon Glow with Hampton's vibraphone (Victor 25398) is good for this, but in general I try to limit my Orthophonic Credenza to slightly earlier discs. You can not only check for the clean-ness of the vibraphone, but also how true the breathy quality of the clarinet comes through. Another good test for an Orthophonic or Viva-Tonal is how faithfully they reproduce the bagpipes at the start of Harry Lauder's electric recording of When I Meet MacKay (Victor 9024). In general, if I hear an obvious distortion that isn't from record wear, I try to find a record or two that have a passage in a similar frequency range to rule out an anomaly. If the reproducer rattles in the same range on similar passages, I go back and try to find the cause; imperfect adjustment, the rim of the diaphragm touching the housing, etc. Andrew Baron Santa Fe On Feb 24, 2013, at 10:14 PM, Arvin Casas wrote: Hi All, I was wondering if folks have a favorite recording they reach for (or require) when they are testing the chops of a new machine or a new/repaired reproducer? If you have one, why? I'm interested in reasons technical (e.g., wide frequency / volume variation) to personal (e.g., it's you post-repair good luck charm, you like it enough that you don't mind hearing it over and over, you know it so well that you know when it's the machine and not the record underperforming, etc.,). I'm fine tuning my Viva-Tonal reproducers and was just curious if folks had certain obstacle course recordings they rely on for testing/inaugurating their equipment. I have none right now and am always looking for an excuse to pick up some shellac. :-) Thanks, Arvin ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Go-To Recording for Testing a New Machine / Reproducer
I want to potentially make the reproducer sound its worst. From: a...@popyrus.com Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 09:35:37 -0700 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Go-To Recording for Testing a New Machine / Reproducer That's a very interesting approach. I think I've trained myself for so long, away from putting late records on earlier machines that I never would have thought of using one as a tool for a reproducer test. On Feb 26, 2013, at 6:39 AM, Steven Medved wrote: I use the latest loudest record I can find so any distortion will show up. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] DELETE warning, Economics and currency boring off topic Yen Yuan USD CAD AUD CHF
Currency: Curt is correct, the Yen is Japanese. The Yen is easy drop two zeros off, 30,000 Yen is around $300, or $319.31 as right now the Yen is 93.9438 to the dollar. Each currency has a three letter designation, USD, CAD, AUD would be US dollar, Canadian Dollar or Australian Dollar. The Yuan is called the RMB (RMB, sign: ยฅ; code: CNY; also CNยฅ, ๅ and CNๅ ) is the official currency of China (People's Republic of China). The primary unit of renminbi is the yuรกn (ๅ ). One yuan is subdivided into 10 jiวo (่ง), which in turn is subdivided into 10 fฤn (ๅ). Renminbi banknotes are available in denominations from 1 jiao to 100 yuan (ยฅ0.1โ100) and coins have denominations from 1 fen to 1 yuan (ยฅ0.01โ1). Thus, some denominations exist in coins and banknotes. Coins under ยฅ0.1 are used infrequently. The British pound is called the pound sterling, GPB is the three letter code as there are many pounds in the world today. Hong Kong uses what is called the Hong Kong Dollar, the HKD which is always around 7.75 to one as it is pegged to the dollar. The Yen is called The Japanese Yen JPY. Go to the universal converter: http://www.xe.com/ucc/ When I was in Japan in 1989 it was around 120 Yen to the dollar. The Yen is easy drop two zeros off, 30,000 Yen is around $300, or $319.31 as right now the Yen is 93.9438 to the dollar. PayPal will charge you for the exchange rate difference so you always get less than the posted rate. Banks normally offer the best. Credit cards used to give you the best rate, no more. When I flew into Japan five years ago I used my ATM card and got the best rate. Economics: I am parsimonious (and was a numismatist) so I live within my means (and understand coins better than most). Before inflation took away my buying power I used to travel as I work for an airline so I used to visit Canada each year to see some wonderful Phono collectors and my wife's relatives. Back then the USD would buy $1.55 CAD. Now it is around 1 to 1. Because I traveled and was in Japan for 30 days while in the Air Force I am familiar with different currencies and how the exchange rate works. From 2002 to 2010 I took a pay cut and did not get a raise, that is why inflation hit me so hard. NOTE: airline employee travel is very stressful, you only get on if there is an empty seat and it goes by seniority so you travel when no one else wants to. These days it is very hard to travel and many of the people I work with will buy tickets. The 2008 dollar lost $2200 a year in buying power compared to the 2000 Dollar. The 2008 Dollar lost $4500 a year buying power compared to the July 2012 Dollar. In 2013 the tax increase for me was $100 a month, added to the last four years this is $475 a month, $558.33 a month for the last 12 years. In 1977 bread went on sale 5 loaves for $1.00 and $200 would fill a station wagon with groceries, today it will not fill a cart. Those of us who are age challenged will remember the 1964 Kennedy half dollar was 90% silver, today if you melt it down the value is $10.80. I have some silver US coins I got in change, the last was a 1954 US quarter in the reject box at the toll booth. By 1970 silver was not in circulation very often, but you could look in the change drawers and ask for them. From 1942 to 1945 the US made nickels of 35% silver, 56% copper and 9% manganese. Today they are worth $1.70 if melted down. http://www.coinflation.com/coins/1942-1945-Silver-War-Nickel-Value.html The Swiss Franc CHF use to be worth around 60 cents, now it is worth more than a US dollar. Canadian coins used to be 80% silver, 1965 to 1968 they were 50% to transition people, then they went to pure nickel which is magnetic, today they use nickel plated steel. The Kennedy Half Dollar was 40% silver from 1965 to 1970 to transition people. In the US from 1794 to 1838 coins were larger and 89.2% silver, in 1838 they reduced the size and went to 90% silver so from 1794 to 1964 the value of the dollar was relatively stable compared to silver. The USD is made of cloth, 80% cotton and 20% linen with red and green silk fibers to deter counterfeiting. The Canadian Dollars are now made of plastic, they have one and two dollar coins. To explain why we have inflation, an arch is composed of two opposing walls joined at the top and it has great strength. What the arch is made of: http://www.rollcall.com/50richest/the-50-richest-members-of-congress-112th.html Steve From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 09:54:36 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Interesting Sharpener for Cactus / Thorn Needles Google yen to dollar - in the first converter that comes up, type 3 into the yen box, which = $323.45 USD (delete the number one in the yen box before putting in 3) ๏ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 09:22:34 -0500 From: chris...@cox.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Interesting
Re: [Phono-L] DELETE warning, Economics and currency boring off topic Yen Yuan USD CAD AUD CHF
In 1982 they started to make the US penny out of copper plated zinc. I loved getting Canadian money to spend when I visited Canada, I still have pennies, nickels, dimes, quarters, Loonies, Toonies along with some current and early coins half dollars and some early and current pre loonie dollars. Have you seen a US or Canadian half dime? Canada has beautiful coins, they all have proof like finishes when new. I was most impressed with the breast cancer awareness quarter with the painted white and pink ribbon on the back, I was there the year they came out which was 2006. http://www.ebay.com/itm/2006-Canada-25-cents-quarter-dollar-Pink-Ribbon-End-Breast-Cancer-/121065655523 From: kathal...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 11:23:01 -0700 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] DELETE warning,Economics and currency boring off topic Yen Yuan USD CAD AUD CHF And now the penny is no longer being made in Canada as of Feb 1. Cost more than a penny to make it. I still have some $1 $2 CDN bills as they are no longer in circulation. We now have the Loonie and Toonie to replace the paper bills. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Turntable Motor Question
I use IE9 and mine all run together as well. From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 09:15:57 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Turntable Motor Question I don't know if it's because I am using Google Chrome, but my posts get run together. If you copy that previous link, leave Curt off of the end. http://open1234.wix.com/camps-site/twilight-zone-2#!__fairy-phono-lamp From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 08:53:02 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Turntable Motor Question Al,Thanks for the reply. As you noted, I have been advised that it was a short in the motor somewhere. The problem seems to be that this motor is wound for three different types of power - AC/DC and maybe 220. So, either the shops don't know what the problem is or they just don't want to mess with it... I'm tending toward the latter, since the guys I sent it to are very knowledgeable. There is a picture of the motor on our website: www.carolinaphonosociety.com A shortcut to the pic is: http://open1234.wix.com/camps-site/twilight-zone-2#!__fairy-phono-lampCurt To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: clockworkh...@aol.com Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 04:01:17 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Turntable Motor Question Induction motors that lack torque can usually be traced to an open field coil or an open armature loop. A shorted turn will eat torque but the motor will let you know by getting hot. How about a photo of the motor? Most good motor shops can fix anything from fractional horsepower to 100 HP. Do you know of a fan collector in your area? I have repaired fan motors that lost power and have the same symptoms of your phonograph. These things are not rocket science. Best wishes, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] ORO PHONE ORO-TONE Reproducers for sale low price
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ORIGINAL-RARE-ORO-PHONE-ORO-TONE-Reproducer-Phonograph-IN-BOX-GRAMOPHONE-/121060138214 I have two Oro tone reproducers, one sounds good, the other one does not. One has the set screw (common thread) in the throat one does not. They are held together with rivets, I do not have the time to rebuild the one that does not sound good. I have no use for them. If anyone is interested I will sell them both for $15 which will include shipping. They weigh 12.8 ounces so they will cost me around $7.50 to ship priority mail in a 7x7x6 box. I just want to get rid of them. If you are interested and think $15 is too high make me an offer that will include shipping. I paid $40 or more for both of them so I am not making money on them. I hate to throw them out. Thanks, Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Phonograph Companion Volume II
It does not look good. ASIN: B001GCOG60 I checked google, ebay, amazon.com and book butler, no luck. http://www.mulhollandpress.com/Columbia.htm Columbia Phonograph Companion Volume II has been out of print for several years and will not be reprinted. http://www.mulhollandpress.com/Books.htm Its just like the Edison cylinder book, keep an eye out of eBay and the other places. Steve Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 15:26:56 -0500 From: aca...@spamcop.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia Phonograph Companion Volume II Hello All, My recent attempt to purchase a copy of The Columbia Phonograph Companion Volume II has ended in failure. I went to the effort of buying through Amazon UK through a now-known-to-me shady seller. Thankfully I was able to get my cool hundred or so back! My adventures in the underworld over, I was wondering if any good folk out there happen to have an extra copy of Mr Baumbach's out-of-print opus? I've tried scouring sources far and wide, from the office of the good author to used book dealers to, as evidenced above, the darkened alleys of Amazon marketplace UK, but apparently out-of-print means in my case, removed from the face of the earth. :O Any help would be greatly appreciated. Not giving up yet! :) Arvin ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] First Orlando show report
Yesterday I was two hours south and only had my phone. The voice recognition is horrible, it changes the whole paragraph when you try to make a break to end the sentence or make a correction. I hate texting so I agree, I hate e-mailing from phones. I would appreciate the photo of the foot. If you rebuild automatics and use glass Brian Krapes make a thin .016 thick gasket so both gaskets fit when there is the pin for the top when the top has the slot. I use Krapes diaphragms as they produce better sound. I really really appreciate the photos you sent, evidently you have the only complete Fletcher in existence. Steve Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 18:50:14 +1100 From: sa...@yoaa.com.au To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] First Orlando show report Attached to the diaphragm is a square sectioned foot with a hole parallel to the diaphragm. I can attempt a photo if you like. I hate emailing from phones. They are a pain in the butt. Be well, Anthony On 3 February 2013 00:51, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote: Hello Anthony right now I am on my phone that is why my that is why my replies different pardon the mistakes, they are difficult to correct. It looks like in the patented drawing the diaphragm had what look like a foot or L shaped piece that was attached directly to the diaphragm what does yours have that is attached to the diaphragm Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 07:55:29 +1100 From: sa...@yoaa.com.au To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] First Orlando show report Hi Steve, Did you get those photos and details of the Fletcher that I sent to you? Very wet here. Regards, Anthony On 28 January 2013 00:56, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote: Hello, I will make a longer report later, the show was better this year than last. I spoke to Ron Haring and he told me last year was his best show ever and this year was even better. The dealers I spoke to were very pleased. I asked Joan Rolfs how the show went and she told me it was wonderful each time they were at the Orlando show. She is so cheerful that I had to rephrase my question, I asked how things went with regards to them selling and she said it was great. I just enjoy talking with all the dealers and people, Bob Cole and Richard Brown did an outstanding job, even better than last year. One guy had things at half price, hard cover Edison DD books by Frow for $17.50 each was one example. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] First Orlando show report
Hello Anthony right now I am on my phone that is why my that is why my replies different pardon the mistakes, they are difficult to correct. It looks like in the patented drawing the diaphragm had what look like a foot or L shaped piece that was attached directly to the diaphragm what does yours have that is attached to the diaphragm Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 07:55:29 +1100 From: sa...@yoaa.com.au To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] First Orlando show report Hi Steve, Did you get those photos and details of the Fletcher that I sent to you? Very wet here. Regards, Anthony On 28 January 2013 00:56, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote: Hello, I will make a longer report later, the show was better this year than last. I spoke to Ron Haring and he told me last year was his best show ever and this year was even better. The dealers I spoke to were very pleased. I asked Joan Rolfs how the show went and she told me it was wonderful each time they were at the Orlando show. She is so cheerful that I had to rephrase my question, I asked how things went with regards to them selling and she said it was great. I just enjoy talking with all the dealers and people, Bob Cole and Richard Brown did an outstanding job, even better than last year. One guy had things at half price, hard cover Edison DD books by Frow for $17.50 each was one example. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Orlando show report
Andy, I want to give thanks to all who enjoyed my report. From: a...@popyrus.com Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 13:54:38 -0700 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org CC: phonol...@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Orlando show report What a great report, Steven. Thanks so much for sharing it in such detail. Andrew Baron On Jan 27, 2013, at 11:44 AM, Steven Medved wrote: Thanks, Ron, The early buyers and the dealers were provided with Lunch both days. The first day, Friday, the dealers were set up in the room, no more parking lot victim to the elements. $20 early buyer you were able to be there at 7a.m. on Friday and Saturday from 8 a.m. on. This year the room looked full and there was a lot of nice machines. Steve Andersun brought a Class M with the early seldom seen Automatic reproducer serial number in the 15,000 range with no lettering on the body. The machine had listening tubes and a new brown wax cylinder made of a composite material so you could fully experience the machine. Don Gfell had his wonderful display and brought his brother, an antique dealer with him. Don sold a nice Victor VI with mahogany horn to a man living in Orlando who is beginning to collect and was helped out by people at the show with the other questions he had. Don's horn display is worth the price of admission. Don also has a seldom seen late dome top Model O reproducer. The Rolfs were there with the books they have written and their usual display that is so well done you would not know it began as a flat table. The Rolfs table is a very cheerful place to visit. Rob Mallet was there, another nice person to talk with and visit his display as well. Jean Paul Agnard and his wife were there along with Charlie Hummel, it is amazing how much Charlie fits in those two airline bags. The famous Bob Cole - Richard Brown tables and floor machines were in their normal corner. Harry Ruer stopped by and it was so very wonderful to see him. The Orlando show is not the largest, but it is the most friendly. Harry, Bob, and Richard has done an excellent job of creating a user friendly show that is wonderful to visit. All the dealers I asked were happy. Ron Sitko was there with his wife, my wife enjoyed talking with Ron's Sitko's wife Carole, Harry Ruer, Bob, Richard, and Ron Haring among others. The world famous nice guy Gregg Cline was there doing a live demonstration on how to install his decals on an Opera that was graciously donated by Richard Brown for the show and tell. Gregg makes his decals to look hand painted, he has 17, yes 17 different corners for the Triumph. On eBay I recently saw two triumphs that looked mint to me, they were Cline decals. Is it mint or is it Cline? Some people want his name in mico letters so they can tell. When you shellac over his decals you have a protected decal that look like the ladies in the Edison factory painted them on. Kevin Boerma had some very nice machines, I purchased a rare late 2 minute recorder with the same holder as the four minute from around 1913 for $50. He had a nice Toy Berliner. I spent the whole day talking with people so I did not get a chance to write down all the machines that were there. I got to see a large outdoor roller organ that had amazing volume. With my poor memory for names I cannot list all the sellers who were there. Russ Bruning was there with a repro Berliner reproducer for $100 from the 70's or 80's. The weather was very nice and the door being so close to the dealer parking makes it easy to move the machines in and out. There was a lot of cylinder and disc records there. Ron Haring had 5, yes 5 Edison dealer sample records and Charlie Hummel has the limited 100 count record he made of a DD that was made in 1912 to introduce the machines to the customers, three are known to exist. NEWS FLASH CELEBRITY WATCH: TIM FABRIZIO WAS THERE. He did not have a table but he was there to visit us, what a wonderful treat. Edison created the phonograph, Harry, Bob and Richard created the best show. We did not expect it to be better this year, but it was. Last year is was so nice we did not think it could be any better, but it was. Next year we expect it to be even better, that is where you come in. Make plans to visit us. The hotel is near to the attractions and who would not want to thaw out in January if you live up north. This year I spent around $800 on books, records, reproducer parts and the recorder. I was very pleased, there were bargains at the show along with some very nice people on both sides of the dealer tables. I enjoyed this show immensly, I am looking forward to next year. Steve To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com From: victrol...@aol.com Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 12:43:02 -0500 Subject: Re: [phonolist] Orlando show report
[Phono-L] First Orlando show report
Hello, I will make a longer report later, the show was better this year than last. I spoke to Ron Haring and he told me last year was his best show ever and this year was even better. The dealers I spoke to were very pleased. I asked Joan Rolfs how the show went and she told me it was wonderful each time they were at the Orlando show. She is so cheerful that I had to rephrase my question, I asked how things went with regards to them selling and she said it was great. I just enjoy talking with all the dealers and people, Bob Cole and Richard Brown did an outstanding job, even better than last year. One guy had things at half price, hard cover Edison DD books by Frow for $17.50 each was one example. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism
Impressive to say the least. From: kb...@charter.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 12:14:44 -0600 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism Every once in a while, a little bit of historical trivia comes to light. Did you know The Goldberg Brothers - The Inventors of the Automobile Air Conditioner. Here's a little factoid for automotive buffs or just to dazzle your friends. The four Goldberg brothers, Lowell, Norman, Hiram, and Maxwell, invented and developed the first automobile air-conditioner. On July 17, 1946, the temperature in Detroit was 97 degrees. The four brothers walked into old man Henry Ford's office and sweet-talked his secretary into telling him that four gentlemen were there with the most exciting innovation in the auto industry since the electric starter. Henry was curious and invited them into his office. They refused and instead asked that he come out to the parking lot to their car. They persuaded him to get into the car, which was about 130 degrees, turned on the air conditioner, and cooled the car off immediately. The old man got very excited and invited them back to the office, where he offered them $3 million for the patent. The brothers refused, saying they would settle for $2 million, but they wanted the recognition by having a label, 'The Goldberg Air-Conditioner,' on the dashboard of each car in which it was installed. Now old man Ford was more than just a little anti - Semitic, and there was no way he was going to put the Goldberg's name on two million Fords. They haggled back and forth for about two hours and finally agreed on $4 million and that just their first names would be shown. And so to this day, all Ford air conditioners show -- Lo, Norm, Hi, and Max -- on the controls. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Little Known Facts About Edison :) with special regards to Joan Rolfs
Edison cared deeply for his customers, that is why the C H and K reproducers along with the 2 and 4 minute recorders were still being made and sold in the mid 1920's. By 1924 the recorder used the same box as the business recorder. On November 10, 1925 Clarence Ferguson purchased a 2 minute recorder and a Model C reproducer cup.The Model N continued to made for use in the Amberola 5 6 8 and 10. When it was found the regular N did not work in the 5 and 6 he made the N-56 in June of 1913, an obsolete reproducer to play the obsolete wax amberols on the new amberola machines. From the summer of 1901 to the end of 1914 2,099,997 (at least) of the small top reproducers were made as the B to K share serial numbers. From 1915 to 1929 around 19,000 C H K reproducer were made for obsolete machines. That Edison still supported the small carriage cylinder phongraphs in the 1920's is interesting. His company continued to do reproducer repairs in the 1920's as well. The nickel p lated copper diaphragm came out in 1915, cork gaskets in 1924. I own an H reproducer with a nickel plated diaphragm and cork gaskets. I have a photo of a repair tag for an H that was dated 10/10/23 with the dealers tag, the jobbers tag, and the original owners stub along with the box it was shipped in. In 1923 someone was still using an H that the factory repaired. We all know that the last Blue Amberols were made in lots of 100, Edison cared enough to provide new songs for his small group of mail order cylinder record buyers until nearly the end. When you think of all the things Edison did it is hard to imagine a world without him. The poured concrete houses he built are still standing. The spring washers on my 1917 C-250 bedplate still have their spring after 96 years. If Edison came back I think the thing that would amaze him the most is that so many people still enjoy his favorite invention, the phonograph. Edison was not perfect, neither am I. He had his ro ugh side as we all do. I applaud all those who work together to make this hobby more enjoyable, those who have written books, those who encourage interest in young people like Nick and Melissa. I wish when I went to school someone had cared enough to bring in a restored phonograph. What a way to make history come alive. http://www.hiddennj.com/2011/05/visiting-phillipsburgs-concrete-houses.html http://www.hackettstownlife.com/forum/419740 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Eclipse governor
Mike, I found a Berliner reproducer repro for $100, not the best quality, I will send photos later. Steve Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 17:17:28 +1100 From: mtucker1...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Eclipse governor Ron, What exactly do you need? The whole offset governor, the governor assembly with shaft or the governor assembly without shaft? The governor is a two ball type and uses the normal Edison governor disc and small end, but with two holes instead of 3 or 4. A 3 can be adjusted to suit and the governor springs are standard Edison springs as per Standards etc. Mike Tucker On 25/01/2013 2:32 PM, Ron L'Herault wrote: A good friend of mine needs a governor for an Eclipse. Did any other Edison machines use this same governor? Anyone got one? Thanks, Ron L'Herault ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Opera Reproduction Horn Opinion
Eduardo in Peru, his work is excellent. Write him, he answers. From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 16:53:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Opera Reproduction Horn Opinion I would say similar, only because of the photo - I haven't seen one in person - photo looks great and the comment from another buyer seemed to say the same thing. I did see the Vic six case, though, and it was exceptionally well made - if it came from the same guy. It came from somewhere in South America and was at a show several years ago, unfinished top quality mahogany. I think I have seen listings from this same guy in Peru regarding cases and other horns. Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 14:41:17 -0600 From: b...@taney.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Opera Reproduction Horn Opinion Are these similar to the Gfell horns? Any opinion on the quality, authenticity of one vs the other? I am seriously tempted to buy this horn, I think it would look great on my opera. I have a nice opera with an original horn that the previous owner a mediocre restoration job and now it is coming apart again. Bill On 1/25/13 2:18 PM, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: These are from Lima, Peru and I believe they are made by the same guy who makes Victor six cabinets, columns, capitals, etc. - so good you can't tell the difference, especially in 10-20 years, when the finish ages. Judging by the quality of the horn in the pic, it will probably have a negative effect on the price of a good quality original Edison... I know that I wouldn't pay big bucks for one, when I can get one that looks just as good for this price. This is part of the same problem that devalued Vogue Picture discs, not just eBay, but when a company like Bear records in Germany reproduces Vogues and they look the same (except for a black edge) it devalues the originals. It's all about supply and demand - if someone provides an adequate supply, demand and price decrease... Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 09:58:58 -0600 From: b...@taney.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Opera Reproduction Horn Opinion Anyone have an opinion on these horns or know the origin? http://www.ebay.com/itm/STUNNING-REPRODUCTION-MAHOGANY-WOOD-CYGNET-HORN-E DI SON-OPERA-PHONOGRAPH-/28100366?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item4170375 b9 e Bill On 1/25/13 9:17 AM, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: Hi Mike, It is for a friend, Kirk, so I am forwarding your e-mail to him. Thanks, Ronald L'Herault Lab Supervisor, Biomaterials Division B.U. School of Dental Medicine 801 Albany Street S203 Roxbury, MA 02119 -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Mike Tucker Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 1:17 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Eclipse governor Ron, What exactly do you need? The whole offset governor, the governor assembly with shaft or the governor assembly without shaft? The governor is a two ball type and uses the normal Edison governor disc and small end, but with two holes instead of 3 or 4. A 3 can be adjusted to suit and the governor springs are standard Edison springs as per Standards etc. Mike Tucker On 25/01/2013 2:32 PM, Ron L'Herault wrote: A good friend of mine needs a governor for an Eclipse. Did any other Edison machines use this same governor? Anyone got one? Thanks, Ron L'Herault ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Zonophone front mount reproducer with retaining ring
Hello, Does anyone have a needle bar and the screws for a Zonophone front mount reproducer? Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] question re gold plating
They used a cheap gold plating, it is close to the same color as the air conditioning ducting on the 737 aircraft which also uses a cheap alloy. From: jim...@earthlink.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 20:07:48 -0600 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] question re gold plating I should have asked for brushed finish. -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Ken and Brenda Brekke Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 3:41 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: [Phono-L] question re gold plating Roger Merenkov runs a business that does metal finishing. He has done most of Jasper Sanfelipo's pieces. I believe his company is called A Touch of Beauty and is in the Chicago area. I don't have any direct contact info. I had parts replated for my Victor VI and I believe the finish is called a brushed finish. Otherwise you will end up with a bright and very shiny finish. Good Luck!!! Ken Brekke ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] question re gold plating
I have had parts nickel plated and Gold is a lot thinner. What you start with is what you will finish with. Good luck, Steve From: maff...@bresnan.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 19:12:16 -0700 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] question re gold plating Steve: thanks to you and all phono responses re my gold plating question. I sent an inquiry to Steve for general info. again, thanks Bob -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Steven Medved Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 12:17 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] question re gold plating Steve Farmer(farmeriz...@msn.com) is what I have. To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: out...@aol.com Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 13:29:16 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] question re gold plating Could someone provide contact info for Steve Farmer? A customer of mine would like some gold plating done-- Thanks, Brad -Original Message- From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thu, Jan 17, 2013 8:12 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] question re gold plating Steve Farmer. On 01/17/2013 06:12 AM, Steven Medved wrote: Jeweler From: maff...@bresnan.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:25:07 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] question re gold plating Phono Listers: i have some parts ( tone arm, speed control, bullet brake) which are gold plated however, not in the best shape. I hesitate to ask, given the price of gold these days but, who does this kind of work? I got to thinking and wondered if it wasn't really 'gold but maybe a less expensive option like some type of brass mix or something. Any thread discussing gold type plating, and or person doing this work would be appreciated. Also, if someone in the last, say, 12 months had something gold plated, what did it cost? Oh! Yes, it is the Victor VV-Xii *grin* Later Bob ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] question re gold plating
Jeweler From: maff...@bresnan.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:25:07 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] question re gold plating Phono Listers: i have some parts ( tone arm, speed control, bullet brake) which are gold plated however, not in the best shape. I hesitate to ask, given the price of gold these days but, who does this kind of work? I got to thinking and wondered if it wasn't really 'gold but maybe a less expensive option like some type of brass mix or something. Any thread discussing gold type plating, and or person doing this work would be appreciated. Also, if someone in the last, say, 12 months had something gold plated, what did it cost? Oh! Yes, it is the Victor VV-Xii *grin* Later Bob ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] question re gold plating
Prep is most important, if the part does not look good before it will not look good after. From: jim...@earthlink.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 12:27:55 -0600 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] question re gold plating Some years ago I had a few gold-plated phonograph parts re-plated at a plating place they came out with a different finish from that originally used. So, you may want to leave your not in best shape parts as they are rather than having them re-plated with a finish that might not match originals. -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Bob Maffit Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 10:25 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: [Phono-L] question re gold plating Phono Listers: i have some parts ( tone arm, speed control, bullet brake) which are gold plated however, not in the best shape. I hesitate to ask, given the price of gold these days but, who does this kind of work? I got to thinking and wondered if it wasn't really 'gold but maybe a less expensive option like some type of brass mix or something. Any thread discussing gold type plating, and or person doing this work would be appreciated. Also, if someone in the last, say, 12 months had something gold plated, what did it cost? Oh! Yes, it is the Victor VV-Xii *grin* Later Bob ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] question re gold plating
Steve Farmer(farmeriz...@msn.com) is what I have. To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: out...@aol.com Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 13:29:16 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] question re gold plating Could someone provide contact info for Steve Farmer? A customer of mine would like some gold plating done-- Thanks, Brad -Original Message- From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thu, Jan 17, 2013 8:12 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] question re gold plating Steve Farmer. On 01/17/2013 06:12 AM, Steven Medved wrote: Jeweler From: maff...@bresnan.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:25:07 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] question re gold plating Phono Listers: i have some parts ( tone arm, speed control, bullet brake) which are gold plated however, not in the best shape. I hesitate to ask, given the price of gold these days but, who does this kind of work? I got to thinking and wondered if it wasn't really 'gold but maybe a less expensive option like some type of brass mix or something. Any thread discussing gold type plating, and or person doing this work would be appreciated. Also, if someone in the last, say, 12 months had something gold plated, what did it cost? Oh! Yes, it is the Victor VV-Xii *grin* Later Bob ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Found Edison Standard C
Hello Dan, Can you send a photo of the H, I will let you know if it is a repro. Top and bottom. The Standard C you have, it is an ICS model? Does it have pin striping or decals? The Standard C is found about 10% as often as the ICS model. The Standard C is found with pin striping and decals. If it has pin striping the cover plate would be the same as for the A and B. I do not know if Edison made an upgrade gear cover with decals, that is interesting. Al help! Edison made the standard B C and D all at the same time during 1908. I have seen a Standard D with a B ID plate and the painted pin striping. I have seen the D and C with both pin striping and decals. I have only ever seen one Edison recorder that was missing the serial number. I have yet to see a reproducer missing the serial number. What is the serial number of the C reproducer? Does the 2/4 kit have the box it came in? Are you going to install the kit? I do have a very nice box. Thanks, Steve From: ediso...@verizon.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 15:44:32 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Found Edison Standard C I bought, before the turn of the century, a phono never opened the boxes! I pulled the black MG horn out of its huge box, last year, and finally opened the phono's box a couple nights ago. It is an Edison Standard Model C, with 2/4 kit.The reproducer, crank, gear cover, crane's foot, horn chain, lid handle were all missing. Ugh. Went up to the attic to check the horn's box, and rummaged through the mountain of packing peanuts 4 times before finding a bag with little paper-wrapped bundles. Good thing that box got saved! Models C H reproducers, the crank, the horn's chain, and the lid handle all safe. No crane's foot or gear cover, sadly. Is there a special 2/4 gear cover for the C, and how would it differ from the others? Also: the H reproducer looks awfully glittery new, and is not dyed green - also has no serial number. Is this a modern copy? Thanks ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] question re gold plating
You want to find a gold alloy that matches, that is hard. You want to do your own prep work. I had my Victor VI gold parts plated, all I cared about was that they looked better and they did. If you are particular then find good original parts. From: smst...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 11:28:20 -0800 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] question re gold plating I don't think Steve gold plates or does a gold wash. Could be incorrect on that. Years ago I paid a local circuit board company. Show them what you want to get the right color or leave it alone. Finding good original parts just might cost less in the long run. I agree with Jim. M On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Jim Cartwright jim...@earthlink.netwrote: Some years ago I had a few gold-plated phonograph parts re-plated at a plating place they came out with a different finish from that originally used. So, you may want to leave your not in best shape parts as they are rather than having them re-plated with a finish that might not match originals. -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Bob Maffit Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 10:25 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: [Phono-L] question re gold plating Phono Listers: i have some parts ( tone arm, speed control, bullet brake) which are gold plated however, not in the best shape. I hesitate to ask, given the price of gold these days but, who does this kind of work? I got to thinking and wondered if it wasn't really 'gold but maybe a less expensive option like some type of brass mix or something. Any thread discussing gold type plating, and or person doing this work would be appreciated. Also, if someone in the last, say, 12 months had something gold plated, what did it cost? Oh! Yes, it is the Victor VV-Xii *grin* Later Bob ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] question re gold plating
If you have pits you want to copper plate and sand until the pits are gone. I have heard of fillers that you can plate, but no idea how well they work. The prep work is where the money is. 2000 grit sandpaper for the final. From: lhera...@bu.edu To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 14:52:44 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] question re gold plating You've got that right. Any pits/roughness not removed will be plated over and look pitted or rough, not shiny. The only exception is Copper. Copper fills in irregularities and can be used to smooth a rough surface. One plates on the copper and then polishes it to make it shiny and smooth. Ronald L'Herault Lab Supervisor, Biomaterials Division B.U. School of Dental Medicine 801 Albany Street S203 Roxbury, MA 02119 -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Steven Medved Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 2:17 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] question re gold plating Prep is most important, if the part does not look good before it will not look good after. From: jim...@earthlink.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 12:27:55 -0600 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] question re gold plating Some years ago I had a few gold-plated phonograph parts re-plated at a plating place they came out with a different finish from that originally used. So, you may want to leave your not in best shape parts as they are rather than having them re-plated with a finish that might not match originals. -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Bob Maffit Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 10:25 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: [Phono-L] question re gold plating Phono Listers: i have some parts ( tone arm, speed control, bullet brake) which are gold plated however, not in the best shape. I hesitate to ask, given the price of gold these days but, who does this kind of work? I got to thinking and wondered if it wasn't really 'gold but maybe a less expensive option like some type of brass mix or something. Any thread discussing gold type plating, and or person doing this work would be appreciated. Also, if someone in the last, say, 12 months had something gold plated, what did it cost? Oh! Yes, it is the Victor VV-Xii *grin* Later Bob ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] N reproducers on standard E's BORING MATERIAL ALERT
Hello Al and thanks to all, I am pleased some people enjoy this. The O and N shared serial numbers. The N joined in around 22,000 and the O left around 65,000. I want to find the last Model E standard so I will know what the reproducer it has was. Do you know the last Model E Standard serial number? The N was made for the Standard and Gem E, it was also made for the amberola 5-6 and 8 and 10. In June 1913 the N was modified by Edison, an obsolete reproducer to play obsolete records. The N-56 is Unique, it has both ON serial numbers, it appeared in the 70,000 range AND RS serial numbers, it appeared in the 31,000 range. Just over 31,000 RS were made. The N-56 appeared around June 1913 serial number 70,000 ON serial numbers, 31,000 RS serial numbers. Steve To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: clockworkh...@aol.com Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 01:31:26 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] N reproducers on standard E's BORING MATERIAL ALERT Thank you Steve, to me this is definitely NOT boring. It helps those of us interested in telling the Edison story in a more complete way to see trends and get a better picture of the closing days to the outside horn Edison cylinder machines. Please keep up the great work. Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] update that Triumph or not?
2 banner types, early sharp corners later rounded. I would not bother the banner case as they add value to the machine. From: lhera...@bu.edu To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 21:01:12 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] update that Triumph or not? It is a banner front machine but has the 2/4 gearing upgrade. It has also been upgraded to a top mount and diamond B reproducer so someone was only playing 4 min. celluloid on it. Your opinion concurs with a local Edison collector who pretty much said the same thing to me tonight. Ron -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of clockworkh...@aol.com Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 1:11 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] update that Triumph or not? What Triumph cabinet does it have? If it is a banner Triumph Model A then I would definitely NOT drill holes into one of these cabinets. The later raised panel with a thicker wood is better suited from a material strength viewpoint. What reproducer does it have? A Model O in a horizontal carriage would suggest a Cygnet horn would be a good addition so the 'new' holes might not detract from the machine. If the carriage is a 45ยบ small carriage with a Model C reproducer then I would stick with a smaller straight horn. Is the machine equipped with a 2 and 4 minute mandrel shaft gearing? Has the cabinet been refinished? Many factors need to be considered. In making a decision to alter something that has remained the same for 100+ years, one must think if the modification would have been accurate to the machine and how it will change the monetary value. Triumphs late D and D2, E, F, and G should already have the factory drilled holes. A 2 minute Model C Triumph is a rare bird, I would leave it virginal. A Triumph Model B with added horizontal carriage and an O Reproducer has already been altered, drill away Gridley. A Triumph A banner would have me want to return it to its catalog configuration. I have taken out 2/4 minutes gears on some of my machines and made them like their original description from a contemporaneous catalog. Anything earlier like a Spring Motor and it would be sacrilege to drill the holes. Did I mention that I am an opinionated old fart? Best wishes to all on the list, Al Who thought swans used Cygnet horns to keep from bumping into each other on the pond... ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Bamboo needles
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Re: [Phono-L] Bamboo needles
cyber_tigger (11254) What's Walt Sommers' eBay seller name? Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 18:49:04 -0500 From: chris...@cox.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org CC: bassethoundt...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Bamboo needles How many resharpenings can you get from a single needle? What's the difference between a Wade No. 1 and a No. 2 cutter? Thanks, Chris ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] 1927/ Viva Tonal Columbia Reproducers and Silvertonemachines
I love the #15 reproducer, so easy to work on. From: gbogan...@charter.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 21:44:57 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] 1927/ Viva Tonal Columbia Reproducers and Silvertonemachines I have models 611, 613, and 810. They all have the same #15 reproducer. Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] 1927/ Viva Tonal Columbia Reproducers and Silvertonemachines Both of mine have the aluminum diaphragm reproducer introduced in '26. I have not spotted a number designation on them. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Steven Medved Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 4:51 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] 1927/ Viva Tonal Columbia Reproducers and Silvertone machines Hello Columbia Viva Tonal owners, What reproducer is found on your machines? Is it the Columbia 15A type? Any Silvertone owners of orthophonic machines out there? Does anyone have the Silvertone machines sold by Sears in 1927 that look like Victors with different names including the Kenmore? For those who want so see what I am talking about I can send a huge file off list. This huge file was made by someone else who made copies from the original catalog. I believe Wayne made it, what a wonderful catalog for those who cannot remember 1927 Sears phonographs. Steve Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 16:27:25 -0500 From: aca...@spamcop.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] 1927/ Viva Tonal Columbia Felt Colors Based on what I see in mine (and its cruder ancestor in my Grafonola 75, 1915), the auto stop is a mechanism that works in conjunction with the motor via levers - a la the brake/stop/start underneath or above the motor board. It is completely outside the sound reproducing system. It should not have any connection to / intrusion upon anything from the horn all the way to the sound box, so it shouldn't contribute to leaks. Very odd. What model is yours Jim? (btw There's a nice 2-page ad on eBay right now that has photos of the 1927 models, mine is the lowest end and is only mentioned parenthetically, haha.) I agree that for Columbia to omit this in the higher end models (especially if they went to the effort of using velveteen) is surprising. Do you see anything under the platter that might suggest there might once have been an auto stop? On 1/9/13 1:13 AM, Jim Cartwright jim...@earthlink.net wrote: My large Viva-tonal (cabinet larger than Orthophonic Credenza, partially because doors slide into sides of cabinet)has green velveteen on the turntable. After the local repairman sealed the horn rebuilt the soundbox it sounds splendid even on late 1930s recordings such as Beecham conducting Mozart's Symphony in E-flat with the London Philharmonic. My only regret is that it lacks the marvelous non-set automatic stop that would cut off at the end of any record. A surprising lack in this next to top of the line model. Might this have been because it would introduce air leaks? -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Arvin Casas Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 9:03 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] 1927/ Viva Tonal Columbia Felt Colors Thanks for the helpful info everyone! (Apologies for the late reply but I only subscribe to the digest.) I contacted the youtube poster of the videos that DanKj linked to and posted on the phonoland board where I'm also a member. Based on the responses from all three sources, it's Green-land for me! :) I found one tiny oil stained mini-bumper in the cabinet late last night, once green, so that confirms everyone's input. I ordered a Victor sized green felt replacement from Walt @ Gettysburg and will trim it down to size. I have leftovers from a botched turntable job on a Grafonola I restored a few months ago which I'll use for bumpers. Ron - Interesting about the velvet. Apparently they used felt early on, as in my case, but by the 700 800 series Columbia had models with velvet (I learned this via phonoland.) Does the velvet help make the records sound smoother? (Just kidding, though perhaps there's an audiophile who might ardently argue that.) Thanks again all. On 1/7/13 9:52 PM, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: My Vivatonals both have what looks like green velvet on the turntables. Bumpers look like green felt. Ron L
Re: [Phono-L] 1927/ Viva Tonal Columbia Reproducers and Silvertone machines
Hello Columbia Viva Tonal owners, What reproducer is found on your machines? Is it the Columbia 15A type? Any Silvertone owners of orthophonic machines out there? Does anyone have the Silvertone machines sold by Sears in 1927 that look like Victors with different names including the Kenmore? For those who want so see what I am talking about I can send a huge file off list. This huge file was made by someone else who made copies from the original catalog. I believe Wayne made it, what a wonderful catalog for those who cannot remember 1927 Sears phonographs. Steve Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 16:27:25 -0500 From: aca...@spamcop.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] 1927/ Viva Tonal Columbia Felt Colors Based on what I see in mine (and its cruder ancestor in my Grafonola 75, 1915), the auto stop is a mechanism that works in conjunction with the motor via levers - a la the brake/stop/start underneath or above the motor board. It is completely outside the sound reproducing system. It should not have any connection to / intrusion upon anything from the horn all the way to the sound box, so it shouldn't contribute to leaks. Very odd. What model is yours Jim? (btw There's a nice 2-page ad on eBay right now that has photos of the 1927 models, mine is the lowest end and is only mentioned parenthetically, haha.) I agree that for Columbia to omit this in the higher end models (especially if they went to the effort of using velveteen) is surprising. Do you see anything under the platter that might suggest there might once have been an auto stop? On 1/9/13 1:13 AM, Jim Cartwright jim...@earthlink.net wrote: My large Viva-tonal (cabinet larger than Orthophonic Credenza, partially because doors slide into sides of cabinet)has green velveteen on the turntable. After the local repairman sealed the horn rebuilt the soundbox it sounds splendid even on late 1930s recordings such as Beecham conducting Mozart's Symphony in E-flat with the London Philharmonic. My only regret is that it lacks the marvelous non-set automatic stop that would cut off at the end of any record. A surprising lack in this next to top of the line model. Might this have been because it would introduce air leaks? -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Arvin Casas Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 9:03 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] 1927/ Viva Tonal Columbia Felt Colors Thanks for the helpful info everyone! (Apologies for the late reply but I only subscribe to the digest.) I contacted the youtube poster of the videos that DanKj linked to and posted on the phonoland board where I'm also a member. Based on the responses from all three sources, it's Green-land for me! :) I found one tiny oil stained mini-bumper in the cabinet late last night, once green, so that confirms everyone's input. I ordered a Victor sized green felt replacement from Walt @ Gettysburg and will trim it down to size. I have leftovers from a botched turntable job on a Grafonola I restored a few months ago which I'll use for bumpers. Ron - Interesting about the velvet. Apparently they used felt early on, as in my case, but by the 700 800 series Columbia had models with velvet (I learned this via phonoland.) Does the velvet help make the records sound smoother? (Just kidding, though perhaps there's an audiophile who might ardently argue that.) Thanks again all. On 1/7/13 9:52 PM, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: My Vivatonals both have what looks like green velvet on the turntables. Bumpers look like green felt. Ron L On 1/8/13 2:51 AM, DanKj ediso...@verizon.net wrote: There's a 602 on YooToob, TT felt visible: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CL4n1HyTfq4 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] 1927/ Viva Tonal Columbia Felt Colors
Who is VTM company that made this video? Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 16:27:25 -0500 From: aca...@spamcop.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] 1927/ Viva Tonal Columbia Felt Colors Based on what I see in mine (and its cruder ancestor in my Grafonola 75, 1915), the auto stop is a mechanism that works in conjunction with the motor via levers - a la the brake/stop/start underneath or above the motor board. It is completely outside the sound reproducing system. It should not have any connection to / intrusion upon anything from the horn all the way to the sound box, so it shouldn't contribute to leaks. Very odd. What model is yours Jim? (btw There's a nice 2-page ad on eBay right now that has photos of the 1927 models, mine is the lowest end and is only mentioned parenthetically, haha.) I agree that for Columbia to omit this in the higher end models (especially if they went to the effort of using velveteen) is surprising. Do you see anything under the platter that might suggest there might once have been an auto stop? On 1/9/13 1:13 AM, Jim Cartwright jim...@earthlink.net wrote: My large Viva-tonal (cabinet larger than Orthophonic Credenza, partially because doors slide into sides of cabinet)has green velveteen on the turntable. After the local repairman sealed the horn rebuilt the soundbox it sounds splendid even on late 1930s recordings such as Beecham conducting Mozart's Symphony in E-flat with the London Philharmonic. My only regret is that it lacks the marvelous non-set automatic stop that would cut off at the end of any record. A surprising lack in this next to top of the line model. Might this have been because it would introduce air leaks? -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Arvin Casas Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 9:03 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] 1927/ Viva Tonal Columbia Felt Colors Thanks for the helpful info everyone! (Apologies for the late reply but I only subscribe to the digest.) I contacted the youtube poster of the videos that DanKj linked to and posted on the phonoland board where I'm also a member. Based on the responses from all three sources, it's Green-land for me! :) I found one tiny oil stained mini-bumper in the cabinet late last night, once green, so that confirms everyone's input. I ordered a Victor sized green felt replacement from Walt @ Gettysburg and will trim it down to size. I have leftovers from a botched turntable job on a Grafonola I restored a few months ago which I'll use for bumpers. Ron - Interesting about the velvet. Apparently they used felt early on, as in my case, but by the 700 800 series Columbia had models with velvet (I learned this via phonoland.) Does the velvet help make the records sound smoother? (Just kidding, though perhaps there's an audiophile who might ardently argue that.) Thanks again all. On 1/7/13 9:52 PM, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: My Vivatonals both have what looks like green velvet on the turntables. Bumpers look like green felt. Ron L On 1/8/13 2:51 AM, DanKj ediso...@verizon.net wrote: There's a 602 on YooToob, TT felt visible: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CL4n1HyTfq4 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] N reproducers on standard E's BORING MATERIAL ALERT
Model E standards: Trowel N late dome top 47395 standard E 797924 Round weight N 33030 is on Standard E 795363 Round weight N 36087 on Standard E 794228 Trowel N 46911 on Standard E 800257 early dome top Trowel N 46795 on Standard E 803033 early dome top Round wt N 47182 on Standard E 801133 late dome top Trowel N 47875 on Standard E 800786 Trowel N 49430 on Standard E 804395 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=130819037288 If anyone wants to add to my list let me know. N tops: Flat, Natl phono, Tae,. sn 22000 to 41000 53000 to 55000 Dome early with recessed letters most in poor shape. 41000 to 49000 61000 to 63000 Late dome top 41000 to 74000 A1 to A350 Weights first to last: Round, trowel, bent 5 different types, N-56 with lift pillar. Most common round or bent. Least are the two trowels. Most common bent has the N on the weight and the pin holding the stylus bar. The N was made for the Standard E, Edison wanted to use the R. It was used on the Gem E, optional for the amberola 8 and 10. The N-56 was made because the regular N did not work on the 5 and 6, it was made for playing wax amberols in 1913, an obsolete reproducer for obsolete records which Edison continued to sell until the fire. No more new 2 minute titles were made after sept 1912 and many of the late records burned up. How often do you see a standard record box or an N-56? Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Newbie Question - How To Tell an Acoustical Record
If you want to preserve a record you need to use a quality needle and change it after each play. The Chamberlain needles on eBay are fully polished, but the diameter is too large and they contact the shoulders at the beginning of each play. You see many victrolas with records that look new, at least you used to. When the reproducer was new with soft gaskets the reproducer was compliant and they changed needles each time. 70 years later with hard gaskets and the same needle the records wear. I believe that as long as the record is shellac a steel needle is OK unless the record is rare or an early one then you would want to use bamboo. The vinyl 78's and the flexible Marconi records I would not use a steel needle with. I suggest medium tone needles, you get less distortion. The shellac records were made with an abrasive so they will accomodate steel needles, I learned the hard way vinyl is badly affected by steel needles. I do not think electrically recorded records are adversly affected by a steel needle, I have never noted any problems. The run in groove appeared around 1930 to 1933 from what I have been told. I welcome comments. Steve Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 23:06:36 -0500 From: chris...@cox.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Newbie Question - How To Tell an Acoustical Record Hi all, I've just gotten my first keeper wind-up phonograph, a Victor VV 8-35 (which a list member is refurbishing the mechanics of, I can hardly wait!), and I have a really elementary question: How do I tell which records can be safely played with a steel needle? I suspect all Victor batwings are OK. But is there a general rule of thumb besides date (would that be pretty much 1930s and before?) As late as when? Is absence of a spiral run-in groove a reliable indicator? Does electrically recorded mean too late? I belong to an antique radio club and at the last meeting one member sold another a table model along with half a dozen albums of 1940s-1950s 78s. I told them both that the steel needle in the heavy acoustic reproducer will ruin those records, and with the right records you also need to replace the needle for every play. But they went ahead demonstrating the machine and turning the grooves white. Oh well. Thanks, Chris Kocsis ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Newbie Question - How To Tell an Acoustical Record
If you want to preserve a record you need to use a quality needle and change it after each play. The Chamberlain needles on eBay are fully polished, but the diameter is too large and they contact the shoulders at the beginning of each play. You see many victrolas with records that look new, at least you used to. When the reproducer was new with soft gaskets the reproducer was compliant and they changed needles each time. 70 years later with hard gaskets and the same needle the records wear. I believe that as long as the record is shellac a steel needle is OK unless the record is rare or an early one then you would want to use bamboo. The vinyl 78's and the flexible Marconi records I would not use a steel needle with. I suggest medium tone needles, you get less distortion. The shellac records were made with an abrasive so they will accomodate steel needles, I learned the hard way vinyl is badly affected by steel needles. I do not think electrically recorded records are adversly affected by a steel needle, I have never noted any problems. The run in groove appeared around 1930 to 1933 from what I have been told. I welcome comments. Steve Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 23:06:36 -0500 From: chris...@cox.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Newbie Question - How To Tell an Acoustical Record Hi all, I've just gotten my first keeper wind-up phonograph, a Victor VV 8-35 (which a list member is refurbishing the mechanics of, I can hardly wait!), and I have a really elementary question: How do I tell which records can be safely played with a steel needle? I suspect all Victor batwings are OK. But is there a general rule of thumb besides date (would that be pretty much 1930s and before?) As late as when? Is absence of a spiral run-in groove a reliable indicator? Does electrically recorded mean too late? I belong to an antique radio club and at the last meeting one member sold another a table model along with half a dozen albums of 1940s-1950s 78s. I told them both that the steel needle in the heavy acoustic reproducer will ruin those records, and with the right records you also need to replace the needle for every play. But they went ahead demonstrating the machine and turning the grooves white. Oh well. Thanks, Chris Kocsis ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Rare Victor puzzle record on eBay...
Hello Curt, I did not know there were two types of puzzle records, sound and jigsaw. Steve Yes, it's a Victor ad puzzle, which looks like a record. It's a little too pricey for me, but they are hard to find as a complete puzzle... ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Rare Victor puzzle record on eBay... good links
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1908-RCA-Victor-Talking-Machine-Circular-Jigsaw-Puzzle-with-singers-complete-/27112867 http://www.ebay.com/itm/27112867 From: phonost...@aol.com Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 18:34:41 -0500 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Rare Victor puzzle record on eBay... On Ebay's opening page type in 1908 rca victor talking machine circular jigsaw puzzle In a message dated 12/28/2012 6:27:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, bruce78...@comcast.net writes: I keep getting a message that says the listing has been removed. - Original Message - From: Paul Christenzen pic...@gmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 5:36:36 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Rare Victor puzzle record on eBay... Links worthless... got an ID #? Vinyl Visions wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... SS:US:1123 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Rare Victor puzzle record on eBay...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/390518452234 This is not the one, eventually the good link for it will come through. Curt, do you have this one above? Steve From: phonost...@aol.com Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 19:18:54 -0500 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Rare Victor puzzle record on eBay... Were you referring to this mystery puzzle record? _http://www.ebay.com/itm/78-RPM-RARE-MYSTERY-PUZZLE-MULTI-GROVE-RECORD-ON-VI CTOR-22745-MUST-SEE-EE-/390518452234?pt=Music_on_Vinylhash=item5aecb6b00a_ (http://www.ebay.com/itm/78-RPM-RARE-MYSTERY-PUZZLE-MULTI-GROVE-RECORD-ON-VI CTOR-22745-MUST-SEE-EE-/390518452234?pt=Music_on_Vinylhash=item5aecb6b00a) In a message dated 12/28/2012 2:08:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, vinyl.visi...@live.com writes: Anybody looking for a rare Victor puzzle record? It plays three different selections on the same side...http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... SS:US:1123 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Rare Victor puzzle record on eBay...
Hello Curt, Did you see the record that was actually a round jigsaw puzzle? Steve From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 20:22:53 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Rare Victor puzzle record on eBay... Hi Steve,Yes, that is the correct link. This particular record is a very good one, since it features Al Bowlly and is an upbeat 20's style.Curt From: steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 19:45:30 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Rare Victor puzzle record on eBay... http://www.ebay.com/itm/390518452234 This is not the one, eventually the good link for it will come through. Curt, do you have this one above? Steve From: phonost...@aol.com Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 19:18:54 -0500 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Rare Victor puzzle record on eBay... Were you referring to this mystery puzzle record? _http://www.ebay.com/itm/78-RPM-RARE-MYSTERY-PUZZLE-MULTI-GROVE-RECORD-ON-VI CTOR-22745-MUST-SEE-EE-/390518452234?pt=Music_on_Vinylhash=item5aecb6b00a_ (http://www.ebay.com/itm/78-RPM-RARE-MYSTERY-PUZZLE-MULTI-GROVE-RECORD-ON-VI CTOR-22745-MUST-SEE-EE-/390518452234?pt=Music_on_Vinylhash=item5aecb6b00a) In a message dated 12/28/2012 2:08:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, vinyl.visi...@live.com writes: Anybody looking for a rare Victor puzzle record? It plays three different selections on the same side...http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... SS:US:1123 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] AL JOLSON'S VICTOR 2-65 ORTHOPHONIC VICTROLA?
Paul Whiteman's stapler only cost me $35, as I recall. Tell us about that. Thanks for the post, I really enjoyed it. Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 02:00:07 -0600 From: ediso...@verizon.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] AL JOLSON'S VICTOR 2-65 ORTHOPHONIC VICTROLA? Harry Akst was his accompanist in Korea, yes. Al very possibly killed himself with the effort he expended on that tour, or at least he dealt the final blow to his ailing heart. Actually, I have no problem believing that he'd have a 2-65 Victrola - they were much better machines than any portable made in the 1940s. Who knows - maybe a soldier made the name plate, stuck it on his own machine, and gave it to Al. But still not $3,500 ... Paul Whiteman's stapler only cost me $35, as I recall. I had a friend who was in the Army during WWII, and when Bing Crosby visited his camp, he was put in charge of driving Bing around helping him in general. Bing forgot one of his pipes, so my friend mailed it to him. A few months later, Bing sent the now autographed pipe back to my friend, along with a really nice letter and several photos taken of the two of them during Bing's visit. What class! On 12/26/12, Steven Medved wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SinJgcJQhII http://www.corbisimages.com/images/Corbis-NA001477.jpg?size=67uid=dbb4b702-f7fe-420c-aa83-03a587d44190 Looks like he had a live piano player. To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: phonop...@aol.com Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:27:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] AL JOLSON'S VICTOR 2-65 ORTHOPHONIC VICTROLA? What troops, exactly, was Al Jolson entertaining? We were not at war 1919-1941, and had relatively small armed forces during that period. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] AL JOLSON'S VICTOR 2-65 ORTHOPHONIC VICTROLA?
Could be, these are not that common being made from 1930 to 1933. From: aph4...@aol.com Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 22:41:40 -0500 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] AL JOLSON'S VICTOR 2-65 ORTHOPHONIC VICTROLA? Am I the only one who thinks that it is likely that some dealer decided to put an Al Jolson tag on this machine and sell it as an Al Jolson Model in the 1930s? If so, maybe there are more of them. ---Art Heller In a message dated 12/26/2012 8:12:17 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, vinyl.visi...@live.com writes: Harvey, for that starting price - $3,500 or buy it now - $5,000, you would have to be a sucker to pay that for a portable Victrola. Without any real documentation, the claim is invalid and even if it was Al Jolson's would you pay that for a portable? How about Elvis' electric RCA portable or Gladys Knight's Sony Walkman? Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:11:31 -0800 From: harveykrav...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] AL JOLSON'S VICTOR 2-65 ORTHOPHONIC VICTROLA? I have seen this machine in other phonograph forums. I think it is a fake and I'd hate to see some be suckered into a purchase. Harvey Kravitz From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] AL JOLSON'S VICTOR 2-65 ORTHOPHONIC VICTROLA? Hello Tim, I did not know he entertained the troops after 1940, I sent the link in the event someone else was like me. The thought of a major star using a ten year old portable is very funny to me. In my mind I see him lip syncing to his mammy song and his special assistant winding the victrola changing the needle after each record. You should write a book on all the personally owned items. Thanks so much, Steve To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: phonop...@aol.com Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 19:46:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] AL JOLSON'S VICTOR 2-65 ORTHOPHONIC VICTROLA? Of course Al Jolson entertained the troops in the 1940s. But if you think he was carrying around a 10-plus-year-old portable Victrola, then I guess he wasn't getting paid the kind of money his staredom would have merited. (Not getting paid to entertain the troops, but getting paid from his other entrainment activities to be able to afford a new Victrola.) TF -Original Message- From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wed, Dec 26, 2012 7:37 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] AL JOLSON'S VICTOR 2-65 ORTHOPHONIC VICTROLA? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SinJgcJQhII http://www.corbisimages.com/images/Corbis-NA001477.jpg?size=67uid=dbb4b702-f7fe-420c-aa83-03a587d44190 Looks like he had a live piano player. To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: phonop...@aol.com Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:27:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] AL JOLSON'S VICTOR 2-65 ORTHOPHONIC VICTROLA? What troops, exactly, was Al Jolson entertaining? We were not at war 1919-1941, and had relatively small armed forces during that period. If I told you the number of Edison Phonographs and other objects that were personally owned by Thomas Edison over the past 43 years, you'd be surprised --- or not! Tim Fabrizio phonophan PO Box 747 Henrietta, NY 14467 TEL 585 582 1586 Web site: www.phonophan.com -Original Message- From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org; phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:29 pm Subject: [Phono-L] AL JOLSON'S VICTOR 2-65 ORTHOPHONIC VICTROLA? http://www.ebay.com/itm/AL-JOLSONS-VICTOR-2-65-ORTHOPHONIC-VICTROLA-/181049044024 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] AL JOLSON'S VICTOR 2-65 ORTHOPHONIC VICTROLA?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SinJgcJQhII http://www.corbisimages.com/images/Corbis-NA001477.jpg?size=67uid=dbb4b702-f7fe-420c-aa83-03a587d44190 Looks like he had a live piano player. To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: phonop...@aol.com Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:27:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] AL JOLSON'S VICTOR 2-65 ORTHOPHONIC VICTROLA? What troops, exactly, was Al Jolson entertaining? We were not at war 1919-1941, and had relatively small armed forces during that period. If I told you the number of Edison Phonographs and other objects that were personally owned by Thomas Edison over the past 43 years, you'd be surprised --- or not! Tim Fabrizio phonophan PO Box 747 Henrietta, NY 14467 TEL 585 582 1586 Web site: www.phonophan.com -Original Message- From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org; phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:29 pm Subject: [Phono-L] AL JOLSON'S VICTOR 2-65 ORTHOPHONIC VICTROLA? http://www.ebay.com/itm/AL-JOLSONS-VICTOR-2-65-ORTHOPHONIC-VICTROLA-/181049044024 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
