Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard A versus B Model
Greetings Bill: I believe you have a B motor in an A cabinet. It is essentially the same motor so it can be swapped between the two models. The difference was the threaded crank on the B and the B had a short knurled screw for the speed knob. The threaded hole for the speed control is identical to both. The rubber grommets of the A and springs of the B both fit the mounting holes on the motor frame. When ICS B Standards were made they simply put a hole in the bedplate for the longer speed control shaft of the Standard A. The Standard B made for ICS was the only ones that should have the hole and above the bedplate speed knob. Edison went to the Standard B Model around serial 245000. If your machine were just before that I might suggest that it was factory installed but at 178813 that is way too early for a threaded crank. It very much sounds like a kitchen table conglomerate which Edison machines are prone to. I always ask for the motor number when Triumphs are on eBay. Often I find a nice Model A Triumph with a much later motor *and* with a screw on crank, not the square drive. For many years it was easier for slap dash repairmen to simply swap out motors rather than repair the broken spring, another example of interchangeable parts on Edison machines being a positive and a negative together. In most every case the machine is advertised as 'unmolested' or some other term to indicate it is all original. With Edison you have to sometimes give a closer look to be sure. Regards, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard A versus B Model
S178813 Sent from my iPhone On Mar 4, 2012, at 9:55 AM, john robles wrote: > Bill, what's the serial number? > > > > > From: Bill Taney > To: Antique Phonograph List > Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2012 11:31 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard A versus B Model > > Mine is in the short (green) oak case, the motor has the external speed > control and is held up against the bed plate/no springs and it has a > threaded crank. > Bill > > > On 3/3/12 11:24 PM, "clockworkh...@aol.com" wrote: > >> >> >> When George and I did the 1976 Edison cylinder phonograph book the >> printer missed some text. I don't think it appeared when George did the >> expanded Companion book. >> >> The Model A Standard used a pin crank engagement. The motor was held *up >> against* the bedplate with screws through rubber grommets to lessen >> vibration transmission. The speed control was up through the bedplate on >> top. The cabinet is shorter than the later B. All Model A Standards in >> the 'new style cabinet of 1901' have a banner transfer. >> >> The Model B Standard used a threaded engagement. The motor was >> *suspended on springs* from the bedplate. Since the motor was lower, the >> cabinet had to be increased in height for motor clearance from the >> cabinet floor. This brought about the 'tall Standard' Model B cabinet >> style. The speed control was made into a simple screw that did not >> extend about the bedplate. The Model B Standard only had the banner >> transfer for short time as the single word Edison replaced it in the >> summer of '06. >> >> The ICS Standard machines had the speed control knob on top of the >> bedplate all the way through the rest of the Standard line. They did >> this to allow for adjustment to the 90 RPM record speed. >> >> In 1975 I received what I thought was the galley copy of the book from >> George and immediately began editing. I called George a few days later >> with my erratum and he told me that was the final copy not a galley >> proof. As a result, there is one photograph of an Edison machine missing >> from that book and the idiot typesetter and page format person >> responsible for the Standard chapter never caught the mistake. The most >> common Edison cylinder machine made, the Standard Model B, appears >> nowhere in the book as a picture. And, now you know the rest of the >> story. >> >> Regards to all, >> >> Al >> >> PS: Variations from the above machine descriptions are likely kitchen >> table conglomerates, one of the confusing factors for Edison having so >> many interchangeable parts floating around through the last 110 years. >> eBay this last month had a Model B Home in a later D style cabinet, a >> Standard B in an A cabinet with the motor screwed down so it would fit, >> and a few other peculiar mutts, all listed as untouched originals. How >> sad we cannot contact the buyers any longer to send them a warning >> missive. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.org > > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard A versus B Model
Bill, what's the serial number? From: Bill Taney To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2012 11:31 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard A versus B Model Mine is in the short (green) oak case, the motor has the external speed control and is held up against the bed plate/no springs and it has a threaded crank. Bill On 3/3/12 11:24 PM, "clockworkh...@aol.com" wrote: > > >When George and I did the 1976 Edison cylinder phonograph book the >printer missed some text. I don't think it appeared when George did the >expanded Companion book. > >The Model A Standard used a pin crank engagement. The motor was held *up >against* the bedplate with screws through rubber grommets to lessen >vibration transmission. The speed control was up through the bedplate on >top. The cabinet is shorter than the later B. All Model A Standards in >the 'new style cabinet of 1901' have a banner transfer. > >The Model B Standard used a threaded engagement. The motor was >*suspended on springs* from the bedplate. Since the motor was lower, the >cabinet had to be increased in height for motor clearance from the >cabinet floor. This brought about the 'tall Standard' Model B cabinet >style. The speed control was made into a simple screw that did not >extend about the bedplate. The Model B Standard only had the banner >transfer for short time as the single word Edison replaced it in the >summer of '06. > >The ICS Standard machines had the speed control knob on top of the >bedplate all the way through the rest of the Standard line. They did >this to allow for adjustment to the 90 RPM record speed. > >In 1975 I received what I thought was the galley copy of the book from >George and immediately began editing. I called George a few days later >with my erratum and he told me that was the final copy not a galley >proof. As a result, there is one photograph of an Edison machine missing >from that book and the idiot typesetter and page format person >responsible for the Standard chapter never caught the mistake. The most >common Edison cylinder machine made, the Standard Model B, appears >nowhere in the book as a picture. And, now you know the rest of the >story. > >Regards to all, > >Al > >PS: Variations from the above machine descriptions are likely kitchen >table conglomerates, one of the confusing factors for Edison having so >many interchangeable parts floating around through the last 110 years. >eBay this last month had a Model B Home in a later D style cabinet, a >Standard B in an A cabinet with the motor screwed down so it would fit, >and a few other peculiar mutts, all listed as untouched originals. How >sad we cannot contact the buyers any longer to send them a warning >missive. > > > > > > >___ >Phono-L mailing list >http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard A versus B Model
Sounds like a marriage of an A case and B motor except for the speed control. Maybe the winding shaft was replaced?? I'd like to see pics! John From: Bill Taney To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2012 11:31 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard A versus B Model Mine is in the short (green) oak case, the motor has the external speed control and is held up against the bed plate/no springs and it has a threaded crank. Bill On 3/3/12 11:24 PM, "clockworkh...@aol.com" wrote: > > >When George and I did the 1976 Edison cylinder phonograph book the >printer missed some text. I don't think it appeared when George did the >expanded Companion book. > >The Model A Standard used a pin crank engagement. The motor was held *up >against* the bedplate with screws through rubber grommets to lessen >vibration transmission. The speed control was up through the bedplate on >top. The cabinet is shorter than the later B. All Model A Standards in >the 'new style cabinet of 1901' have a banner transfer. > >The Model B Standard used a threaded engagement. The motor was >*suspended on springs* from the bedplate. Since the motor was lower, the >cabinet had to be increased in height for motor clearance from the >cabinet floor. This brought about the 'tall Standard' Model B cabinet >style. The speed control was made into a simple screw that did not >extend about the bedplate. The Model B Standard only had the banner >transfer for short time as the single word Edison replaced it in the >summer of '06. > >The ICS Standard machines had the speed control knob on top of the >bedplate all the way through the rest of the Standard line. They did >this to allow for adjustment to the 90 RPM record speed. > >In 1975 I received what I thought was the galley copy of the book from >George and immediately began editing. I called George a few days later >with my erratum and he told me that was the final copy not a galley >proof. As a result, there is one photograph of an Edison machine missing >from that book and the idiot typesetter and page format person >responsible for the Standard chapter never caught the mistake. The most >common Edison cylinder machine made, the Standard Model B, appears >nowhere in the book as a picture. And, now you know the rest of the >story. > >Regards to all, > >Al > >PS: Variations from the above machine descriptions are likely kitchen >table conglomerates, one of the confusing factors for Edison having so >many interchangeable parts floating around through the last 110 years. >eBay this last month had a Model B Home in a later D style cabinet, a >Standard B in an A cabinet with the motor screwed down so it would fit, >and a few other peculiar mutts, all listed as untouched originals. How >sad we cannot contact the buyers any longer to send them a warning >missive. > > > > > > >___ >Phono-L mailing list >http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard A versus B Model
Mine is in the short (green) oak case, the motor has the external speed control and is held up against the bed plate/no springs and it has a threaded crank. Bill On 3/3/12 11:24 PM, "clockworkh...@aol.com" wrote: > > >When George and I did the 1976 Edison cylinder phonograph book the >printer missed some text. I don't think it appeared when George did the >expanded Companion book. > >The Model A Standard used a pin crank engagement. The motor was held *up >against* the bedplate with screws through rubber grommets to lessen >vibration transmission. The speed control was up through the bedplate on >top. The cabinet is shorter than the later B. All Model A Standards in >the 'new style cabinet of 1901' have a banner transfer. > >The Model B Standard used a threaded engagement. The motor was >*suspended on springs* from the bedplate. Since the motor was lower, the >cabinet had to be increased in height for motor clearance from the >cabinet floor. This brought about the 'tall Standard' Model B cabinet >style. The speed control was made into a simple screw that did not >extend about the bedplate. The Model B Standard only had the banner >transfer for short time as the single word Edison replaced it in the >summer of '06. > >The ICS Standard machines had the speed control knob on top of the >bedplate all the way through the rest of the Standard line. They did >this to allow for adjustment to the 90 RPM record speed. > >In 1975 I received what I thought was the galley copy of the book from >George and immediately began editing. I called George a few days later >with my erratum and he told me that was the final copy not a galley >proof. As a result, there is one photograph of an Edison machine missing >from that book and the idiot typesetter and page format person >responsible for the Standard chapter never caught the mistake. The most >common Edison cylinder machine made, the Standard Model B, appears >nowhere in the book as a picture. And, now you know the rest of the >story. > >Regards to all, > >Al > >PS: Variations from the above machine descriptions are likely kitchen >table conglomerates, one of the confusing factors for Edison having so >many interchangeable parts floating around through the last 110 years. >eBay this last month had a Model B Home in a later D style cabinet, a >Standard B in an A cabinet with the motor screwed down so it would fit, >and a few other peculiar mutts, all listed as untouched originals. How >sad we cannot contact the buyers any longer to send them a warning >missive. > > > > > > >___ >Phono-L mailing list >http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Edison Standard A versus B Model
When George and I did the 1976 Edison cylinder phonograph book the printer missed some text. I don't think it appeared when George did the expanded Companion book. The Model A Standard used a pin crank engagement. The motor was held *up against* the bedplate with screws through rubber grommets to lessen vibration transmission. The speed control was up through the bedplate on top. The cabinet is shorter than the later B. All Model A Standards in the 'new style cabinet of 1901' have a banner transfer. The Model B Standard used a threaded engagement. The motor was *suspended on springs* from the bedplate. Since the motor was lower, the cabinet had to be increased in height for motor clearance from the cabinet floor. This brought about the 'tall Standard' Model B cabinet style. The speed control was made into a simple screw that did not extend about the bedplate. The Model B Standard only had the banner transfer for short time as the single word Edison replaced it in the summer of '06. The ICS Standard machines had the speed control knob on top of the bedplate all the way through the rest of the Standard line. They did this to allow for adjustment to the 90 RPM record speed. In 1975 I received what I thought was the galley copy of the book from George and immediately began editing. I called George a few days later with my erratum and he told me that was the final copy not a galley proof. As a result, there is one photograph of an Edison machine missing from that book and the idiot typesetter and page format person responsible for the Standard chapter never caught the mistake. The most common Edison cylinder machine made, the Standard Model B, appears nowhere in the book as a picture. And, now you know the rest of the story. Regards to all, Al PS: Variations from the above machine descriptions are likely kitchen table conglomerates, one of the confusing factors for Edison having so many interchangeable parts floating around through the last 110 years. eBay this last month had a Model B Home in a later D style cabinet, a Standard B in an A cabinet with the motor screwed down so it would fit, and a few other peculiar mutts, all listed as untouched originals. How sad we cannot contact the buyers any longer to send them a warning missive. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
