Re: [PHP-DEV] -+ [01]

2002-12-19 Thread Zeev Suraski
That was quite a funny way of putting it (it did make me literally laugh out loud a bit), but I have to agree :) Either way, as Sterling pointed out and I pointed out a few days ago, this +-N is really nothing but an 'I (strongly) (dis)agree', and it is in no way a voting system. That's one

Re: [PHP-DEV] -+ [01]

2002-12-19 Thread Zeev Suraski
Just to somewhat limit my agreement with that statement, I'd rephrase it so that it's clear that people's opinion does matter. Something along the lines of 'Too many people think that they're in a position to decide about PHP'. Zeev At 02:35 19/12/2002, Sascha Schumann wrote: On 18 Dec 2002,

Re: [PHP-DEV] -+ [01]

2002-12-19 Thread Sascha Schumann
On Thu, 19 Dec 2002, Zeev Suraski wrote: Just to somewhat limit my agreement with that statement, I'd rephrase it so that it's clear that people's opinion does matter. Something along the lines of 'Too many people think that they're in a position to decide about PHP'. There is nothing

Re: [PHP-DEV] -+ [01]

2002-12-19 Thread Zeev Suraski
At 14:14 19/12/2002, Sascha Schumann wrote: On Thu, 19 Dec 2002, Zeev Suraski wrote: Just to somewhat limit my agreement with that statement, I'd rephrase it so that it's clear that people's opinion does matter. Something along the lines of 'Too many people think that they're in a position

Re: [PHP-DEV] -+ [01]

2002-12-19 Thread Edin Kadribasic
On Thu, 19 Dec 2002, Zeev Suraski wrote: I disagree. For instance, if I helped writing the combined module, and someone separated it without thoroughly making sure that everyone is ok with this separation, I believe it's upto him to be responsible to merge it back in. What you suggest is

Re: [PHP-DEV] -+ [01]

2002-12-19 Thread Sascha Schumann
I disagree. For instance, if I helped writing the combined module, and someone separated it without thoroughly making sure that everyone is ok with this separation, I believe it's upto him to be responsible to merge it back in. That surely happens in 0.01% of the cases. My example

Re: [PHP-DEV] -+ [01]

2002-12-19 Thread Marcus Börger
At 13:14 19.12.2002, Sascha Schumann wrote: On Thu, 19 Dec 2002, Zeev Suraski wrote: Just to somewhat limit my agreement with that statement, I'd rephrase it so that it's clear that people's opinion does matter. Something along the lines of 'Too many people think that they're in a position

Re: [PHP-DEV] -+ [01]

2002-12-19 Thread Zeev Suraski
At 14:34 19/12/2002, Edin Kadribasic wrote: On Thu, 19 Dec 2002, Zeev Suraski wrote: I disagree. For instance, if I helped writing the combined module, and someone separated it without thoroughly making sure that everyone is ok with this separation, I believe it's upto him to be responsible

Re: [PHP-DEV] -+ [01]

2002-12-19 Thread Jon Parise
On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 01:51:01PM +0100, Marcus Brger wrote: There is nothing funny about that statement. For example, if you are not going to do the work on merging the CLI/CGI code, just saying that you would like to see that happening has little to no effect.

Re: [PHP-DEV] -+ [01]

2002-12-19 Thread Jon Parise
On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 11:26:52AM +0200, Zeev Suraski wrote: Either way, as Sterling pointed out and I pointed out a few days ago, this +-N is really nothing but an 'I (strongly) (dis)agree', and it is in no way a voting system. That's one of the key reasons I try to avoid using it, and

Re: [PHP-DEV] -+ [01]

2002-12-19 Thread Andrei Zmievski
+1 on this.. :) On Thu, 19 Dec 2002, Zeev Suraski wrote: Just to somewhat limit my agreement with that statement, I'd rephrase it so that it's clear that people's opinion does matter. Something along the lines of 'Too many people think that they're in a position to decide about PHP'.

Re: [PHP-DEV] -+ [01]

2002-12-19 Thread Marcus Börger
At 01:35 19.12.2002, Sascha Schumann wrote: On 18 Dec 2002, Xavier Spriet wrote: Well it's up to whoever has karma to make that decision. People can give their opinion obviously but shouldn't expect to actually make the decision. That's the problem with the current state of PHP

[PHP-DEV] -+ [01]

2002-12-18 Thread Sterling Hughes
Hey, Just clarifying: We never agreed that -+[01] meant anything except a short way of: -1 = I strongly disagree -0 = I disagree 0 = neutral +0 = I agree +1 = I strongly agree ie, We don't have a voting system. If someone, let's call him Barney, says -1 on this issue, all that means is that

Re: [PHP-DEV] -+ [01]

2002-12-18 Thread Xavier Spriet
Well it's up to whoever has karma to make that decision. People can give their opinion obviously but shouldn't expect to actually make the decision. On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 18:43, Sterling Hughes wrote: Hey, Just clarifying: We never agreed that -+[01] meant anything except a short way of:

Re: [PHP-DEV] -+ [01]

2002-12-18 Thread Sascha Schumann
On 18 Dec 2002, Xavier Spriet wrote: Well it's up to whoever has karma to make that decision. People can give their opinion obviously but shouldn't expect to actually make the decision. That's the problem with the current state of PHP development. Too many people think that their