[PHP-DEV] META: Proper quoting

2002-12-28 Thread Sascha Schumann
I've noticed a trend to extreme over-quoting on the php
developer mailing lists.  (Not to mention top-posting, but
that's another topic.)

In the latest example, Derick' email could have been 88%
shorter, if he had just cut down the contents to the
essential pieces.  While it takes the writer like 5 seconds
to remove such parts, each reader will have to scan the
non-essential parts and thereby spend a lot more time on it
(e.g. 5s compared to n*3 seconds).

Helpful links:

URL:http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/user/guckes/mail/edit.html#over_quoting
URL:http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/user/guckes/mail/edit.html#full_quote

Good Example:

URL:http://news.php.net/article.php?group=php.devarticle=92888

Bad Examples:

URL:http://news.php.net/article.php?group=php.devarticle=92886
URL:http://news.php.net/article.php?group=php.devarticle=92903
URL:http://news.php.net/article.php?group=php.devarticle=92906

- Sascha

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Re: [PHP-DEV] META: Proper quoting

2002-12-28 Thread Derick Rethans
On Sat, 28 Dec 2002, Sascha Schumann wrote:

 I've noticed a trend to extreme over-quoting on the php
 developer mailing lists.  (Not to mention top-posting, but
 that's another topic.)

I find top-quoting extremely annoying too.

 
 In the latest example, Derick' email could have been 88%
 shorter, if he had just cut down the contents to the
 essential pieces.

While I'm usually quite strict with removing unnecesarry ballast, 
sometimes I just forget things when sending a small note. 

 While it takes the writer like 5 seconds
 to remove such parts, each reader will have to scan the
 non-essential parts and thereby spend a lot more time on it
 (e.g. 5s compared to n*3 seconds).

Removing uncessary stuff is a good thing, unless it would be hard for 
people who just join the discussion to follow it all. You can also 
remove too much stuff... (for example just remove everything and 
write only your reply in a mail), like here:

 Good Example:
 
 URL:http://news.php.net/article.php?group=php.devarticle=92888

Derick

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Re: [PHP-DEV] META: Proper quoting

2002-12-28 Thread Jon Parise
On Sat, Dec 28, 2002 at 02:28:54PM +0100, Sascha Schumann wrote:

 I've noticed a trend to extreme over-quoting on the php
 developer mailing lists.  (Not to mention top-posting, but
 that's another topic.)
 
One of the most annoying results of over-quoting is the inclusion of
multiple signature blocks in the resulting message.  For those vim
users out there, the following macro works quite well:

normal :g/^ -- *$/,/^$/-1d^M^Lgg

It will truncate the message in the current buffer to just before the
'-- ' signature delimiter.

If you use mutt as your mail client, the following autocmd will
automate the process:

autocmd BufRead mutt*   normal :g/^ -- *$/,/^$/-1d^M^Lgg

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