RE: [PHP-DEV] SOAP and CORBA
Hi, well yes I would like to see better CORBA support. We are in the process of getting a CORBA based software that we would write an interface for. Since we do not want to write it in anything but PHP we are sort of in a difficult situation. We went through the entire list of current implementations. Universe seems to be the most recent hope to make PHP+COPRBA a reality but David Erickson said he will be working on his degree next spring. Gavin Sherry also seemed interested in doing this. But I think he was also waiting for Zend2 and iirc thread safety. The problem is that the deal currently is in jeopardy so I decided to focus my companies efforts elsewhere (since otherwise I will have to face the risk of PHP not working as well as needed with CORBA AND getting the deal through in the first place .. the risks stack). All in all I sort of really like the idea of CORBA and PHP. But I am by no means a CORBA expert and we do not have this project on the top of our priority lists anymore. If the deal does com through I might be able to offer some funding (this is what I talked to Gavin about) but there are way too many If's and When's in my email to count on me for anything in terms of CORBA aside from cheering, the person that does step in to do it, forward. :( On the SOAP front: I think the best way for PHP to implement new stuff like that is to offer some low level stuff and let the users do the rest in PHP. I think this is the most convenient way to deal with rapidly evolving standards until they are settled in and people actually are interested in following the spec to the letter as in the early stages people often need to adapt standard to their established software. Later on people really start off projects with SOPA or whatever else as the core concept their software. This is more a general comment than anything really SOPA specific. Best regards, Lukas Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ DybNet Internet Solutions GbR Alt Moabit 89 10559 Berlin Germany Tel. : +49 30 83 22 50 00 Fax : +49 30 83 22 50 07 www.dybnet.de [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ -Original Message- From: Manuel Lemos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 7:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Andi Gutmans Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] SOAP and CORBA Hello, Andi Gutmans wrote: At 12:44 AM 1/2/2002 +, Nick Loman wrote: Hello PHP developers, Interesting to think about what might make a nice foundation technology for all the exciting potential of PHP5. SOAP is obviously an important technology for websites in the future. But given that (I guess) most of us are not really that keen to follow in the nervous footsteps of Microsoft, and given that XML brings me out in a horrible rash, why don't we think about CORBA as a fundamental PHP technology? CORBA is now finally in a state where people can actually use it without running away screaming. There are now enough free implementations on enough platforms to enable mainstream PHP support. David Eriksson has done some nice stuff with Universe/Satellite, but I don't think PHP's CORBA support is currentl plug n' go enough to really be capitalised on (it currently relies on a fair amount of knowledge of CORBA). What would be fantastic is a situation where newbie PHP coders feel confident enough to use CORBA services exposed to the Internet (not many exist at the moment, the classic example is Random.org but this could change). If it was easy enough to start interacting with ORBs exposed to the 'Net, and it was easy enough for PHP developers to write their own net-facing ORBs, we could potentially be facing an interesting paradigm shift whereby PHP users are exposing their interesting objects (which may, e.g. provide access to databases, content) to the 'net. Much sexier than say RDF, no? If anyone would like to help me in my quest to make CORBA more mainstream (CORBA isn't really scary, at its most basic its just cross-platform remote procedure calls) I would love to work with you. All the best for 2002 everyone, We are going to try to improve the object overloading in ZE2 so I suggest not working on this before we see what we can come up with. Basically we are just trying to make it easier for people to overload objects from C and make it a bit more powerful. In the meanwhile you can still play around with different Corba implementations and choose how you're going to do it but I suggest waiting because it'll hopefully save you lots of headaches. Yes, adding and maintaining static CORBA interfaces is an hell to deal with IDL compilers and stuff, but I think dynamic invocation fits well with the nature of PHP. You may want to talk with Lukas Smith and Gavin Sherry as I heard them talking about adding some kind of CORBA support to PHP. Regards, Manuel Lemos -- PHP
[PHP-DEV] SOAP and CORBA
Hello PHP developers, Interesting to think about what might make a nice foundation technology for all the exciting potential of PHP5. SOAP is obviously an important technology for websites in the future. But given that (I guess) most of us are not really that keen to follow in the nervous footsteps of Microsoft, and given that XML brings me out in a horrible rash, why don't we think about CORBA as a fundamental PHP technology? CORBA is now finally in a state where people can actually use it without running away screaming. There are now enough free implementations on enough platforms to enable mainstream PHP support. David Eriksson has done some nice stuff with Universe/Satellite, but I don't think PHP's CORBA support is currentl plug n' go enough to really be capitalised on (it currently relies on a fair amount of knowledge of CORBA). What would be fantastic is a situation where newbie PHP coders feel confident enough to use CORBA services exposed to the Internet (not many exist at the moment, the classic example is Random.org but this could change). If it was easy enough to start interacting with ORBs exposed to the 'Net, and it was easy enough for PHP developers to write their own net-facing ORBs, we could potentially be facing an interesting paradigm shift whereby PHP users are exposing their interesting objects (which may, e.g. provide access to databases, content) to the 'net. Much sexier than say RDF, no? If anyone would like to help me in my quest to make CORBA more mainstream (CORBA isn't really scary, at its most basic its just cross-platform remote procedure calls) I would love to work with you. All the best for 2002 everyone, Nick. -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP-DEV] SOAP and CORBA
No one will stop you from implementing it. And it is certainly an advantage for PHP. -- Please always Cc to me when replying to me on the lists. -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP-DEV] SOAP and CORBA
At 12:44 AM 1/2/2002 +, Nick Loman wrote: Hello PHP developers, Interesting to think about what might make a nice foundation technology for all the exciting potential of PHP5. SOAP is obviously an important technology for websites in the future. But given that (I guess) most of us are not really that keen to follow in the nervous footsteps of Microsoft, and given that XML brings me out in a horrible rash, why don't we think about CORBA as a fundamental PHP technology? CORBA is now finally in a state where people can actually use it without running away screaming. There are now enough free implementations on enough platforms to enable mainstream PHP support. David Eriksson has done some nice stuff with Universe/Satellite, but I don't think PHP's CORBA support is currentl plug n' go enough to really be capitalised on (it currently relies on a fair amount of knowledge of CORBA). What would be fantastic is a situation where newbie PHP coders feel confident enough to use CORBA services exposed to the Internet (not many exist at the moment, the classic example is Random.org but this could change). If it was easy enough to start interacting with ORBs exposed to the 'Net, and it was easy enough for PHP developers to write their own net-facing ORBs, we could potentially be facing an interesting paradigm shift whereby PHP users are exposing their interesting objects (which may, e.g. provide access to databases, content) to the 'net. Much sexier than say RDF, no? If anyone would like to help me in my quest to make CORBA more mainstream (CORBA isn't really scary, at its most basic its just cross-platform remote procedure calls) I would love to work with you. All the best for 2002 everyone, We are going to try to improve the object overloading in ZE2 so I suggest not working on this before we see what we can come up with. Basically we are just trying to make it easier for people to overload objects from C and make it a bit more powerful. In the meanwhile you can still play around with different Corba implementations and choose how you're going to do it but I suggest waiting because it'll hopefully save you lots of headaches. Andi -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP-DEV] SOAP and CORBA
Hello, Andi Gutmans wrote: At 12:44 AM 1/2/2002 +, Nick Loman wrote: Hello PHP developers, Interesting to think about what might make a nice foundation technology for all the exciting potential of PHP5. SOAP is obviously an important technology for websites in the future. But given that (I guess) most of us are not really that keen to follow in the nervous footsteps of Microsoft, and given that XML brings me out in a horrible rash, why don't we think about CORBA as a fundamental PHP technology? CORBA is now finally in a state where people can actually use it without running away screaming. There are now enough free implementations on enough platforms to enable mainstream PHP support. David Eriksson has done some nice stuff with Universe/Satellite, but I don't think PHP's CORBA support is currentl plug n' go enough to really be capitalised on (it currently relies on a fair amount of knowledge of CORBA). What would be fantastic is a situation where newbie PHP coders feel confident enough to use CORBA services exposed to the Internet (not many exist at the moment, the classic example is Random.org but this could change). If it was easy enough to start interacting with ORBs exposed to the 'Net, and it was easy enough for PHP developers to write their own net-facing ORBs, we could potentially be facing an interesting paradigm shift whereby PHP users are exposing their interesting objects (which may, e.g. provide access to databases, content) to the 'net. Much sexier than say RDF, no? If anyone would like to help me in my quest to make CORBA more mainstream (CORBA isn't really scary, at its most basic its just cross-platform remote procedure calls) I would love to work with you. All the best for 2002 everyone, We are going to try to improve the object overloading in ZE2 so I suggest not working on this before we see what we can come up with. Basically we are just trying to make it easier for people to overload objects from C and make it a bit more powerful. In the meanwhile you can still play around with different Corba implementations and choose how you're going to do it but I suggest waiting because it'll hopefully save you lots of headaches. Yes, adding and maintaining static CORBA interfaces is an hell to deal with IDL compilers and stuff, but I think dynamic invocation fits well with the nature of PHP. You may want to talk with Lukas Smith and Gavin Sherry as I heard them talking about adding some kind of CORBA support to PHP. Regards, Manuel Lemos -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
