[PHP-DEV] short tags thoughts

2002-09-09 Thread Devon O'Dell

Hey,

I'm really not enjoying the fact that short_tags is defaulted to on 
right now as I'm trying to make all my page work XHTML compliant.  This 
means that I have to put

?xml version=1.0 encoding=iso-8859-1 ?

in my pages.  This is also a pain when I'm working on pages for WAP 
devices.  I don't know if anybody else is experiencing this problem, but 
I was wondering if there are any thoughts about making short_tags off by 
default.

Additionally, ?php= should work like ?= (IMHO), seems like it makes 
sense, and ?= doesn't have anything to do with short_tags being on or 
off.  It seems like ?php= would make some code more standardizable.

Questions/comments/Devon-is-way-off-targets?

Thanks,

Devon


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Re: [PHP-DEV] short tags thoughts

2002-09-09 Thread derick

On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Devon O'Dell wrote:

 Hey,
 
 I'm really not enjoying the fact that short_tags is defaulted to on 
 right now as I'm trying to make all my page work XHTML compliant.  This 
 means that I have to put
 
 ?xml version=1.0 encoding=iso-8859-1 ?
 
 in my pages.  This is also a pain when I'm working on pages for WAP 
 devices.  I don't know if anybody else is experiencing this problem, but 
 I was wondering if there are any thoughts about making short_tags off by 
 default.
 
 Additionally, ?php= should work like ?= (IMHO), seems like it makes 
 sense, and ?= doesn't have anything to do with short_tags being on or 
 off.  It seems like ?php= would make some code more standardizable.
 
 Questions/comments/Devon-is-way-off-targets?

Devon-is-way-of-targets. Please see the archives for discussions about 
it. Consensus was reached not to change anything. (And ?php= is not 
valid XML anyway).

Derick

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Re: [PHP-DEV] short tags thoughts

2002-09-09 Thread Dan Hardiker

 I'm really not enjoying the fact that short_tags is defaulted to on
 right now as I'm trying to make all my page work XHTML compliant.  This
 means that I have to put

 ?xml version=1.0 encoding=iso-8859-1 ?

 in my pages.  This is also a pain when I'm working on pages for WAP
 devices.  I don't know if anybody else is experiencing this problem, but
  I was wondering if there are any thoughts about making short_tags off
 by  default.

Turning short tags off would break alot of sites, especially when a fast
echo is used by nature. I would like to see the defaults in PHP remain
the way they are for the most part, perhaps change in 5.

It's easy to over-ride in php.ini (or perhaps one of the various default
ini files [other than php.ini-dist]), .htaccess. Any site relying on the
setting of register_globals, short_tags, or any other coding-style setting
would be bad (IMHO), without the use of .htaccess files, as you loose your
cross-installation platform base.

A repeat of the mass hysteria caused by [people not reading about] the
register_globals change isnt wanted by anyone, least of all by the people
who talk on php-general@ and various other PHP help mediums.

I'm -1 on this change.

 Additionally, ?php= should work like ?= (IMHO), seems like it makes
 sense, and ?= doesn't have anything to do with short_tags being on or
 off.  It seems like ?php= would make some code more standardizable.

There is more information on this discussion in the archives, but the
general con-census was that ?= wasn't a feature intended for such high
use, and that its use is somewhat frowned upon... although not as much
as a goto! However, the gap it fills is noticed and (personally) I wouldnt
want it to be withdrawn.

With that in mind, any suggestion to enable ?php=, was argued that it
would break the standards of ?[language].

[if my memory doesnt serve me as well as I hope it does, please feel free
to correct]

 Devon

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