Hum de dum. Been working on code for five clients, for the last
15 hours, and what's this? An old fashioned flamewar?
On Monday, July 9, 2001, at 10:52 AM, Zeev Suraski wrote:
Sascha,
As a matter of fact, some of your negative contributions, i.e.,
having a horrible attitude and a limitless
Whee.
I mainly just archive this list and scan it at intervals,
but someone drew my attention to this thread. I am not a
member of the PHP Group, and barely a contributor to PHP,
but I *do* have some experience in working in groups like
this, and *lots* of experience in being abrasive. So I am
At 16:05 10/7/2001, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
First, Zeev: I consider you to be 'way off base here. Regardless
of what has gone before, pointing out (what you consider to be)
someone else's inadequacies does not obviate your own. Do
you admit that your posts are nothing but your opinion and
Especially due to the last point which requires fixing up
patches manually every time, I'd like to commit the PHP part
of things. Would anyone object to that?
I wouldn't object.
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On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 08:55:09AM -0700, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
Especially due to the last point which requires fixing up
patches manually every time, I'd like to commit the PHP part
of things. Would anyone object to that?
I wouldn't object.
same here
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Sascha Schumann wrote:
Would anyone object to that?
+1
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I think this whole thing is messy.
Abstracting PHP to work with multiple scanners, or putting a scanner
outside the scripting engine, both make no sense. I don't want to see
something which is purely wrong from a technical standpoint, done because
of some licensing issue.
If you don't want
Abstracting PHP to work with multiple scanners, or putting a scanner
outside the scripting engine, both make no sense. I don't want to see
something which is purely wrong from a technical standpoint, done because
of some licensing issue.
I don't see why abstracting PHP to work with multiple
Sascha,
You definitely have the nerve, young boy, and you just crossed the border,
so I'll tell my thoughts exactly, too.
Your contribution to the PHP project since you joined don't come near the
contributions that came from me, Andi, or some other guys. As a matter of
fact, some of your
At 20:29 9/7/2001, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
Abstracting PHP to work with multiple scanners, or putting a scanner
outside the scripting engine, both make no sense. I don't want to see
something which is purely wrong from a technical standpoint, done because
of some licensing issue.
I don't
On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 08:52:11PM +0300, Zeev Suraski wrote:
I'd be happy to hear what other people think about 'you vs. me'.
I personally don't really care what you two think about each
other.
What I do care about is the overall quality of this project, as
I'm sure a lot of other people do.
What I do care about is the overall quality of this project, as
I'm sure a lot of other people do. To that end, flames like this
are a complete waste of time and bandwidth. Please don't take
this any farther than it has already gone.
You're both incredible intelligent and talented
There's a good reason for me asking for this. It hasn't been the first
time Mr. Schumann behaved the way he did, and frankly, I'm completely tired
of this. Either I'm dumb and missing something, or people should tell him
about his behavior.
Silencing this down will not work in this case.
At 21:02 9/7/2001, Sascha Schumann wrote:
What I do care about is the overall quality of this project, as
I'm sure a lot of other people do. To that end, flames like this
are a complete waste of time and bandwidth. Please don't take
this any farther than it has already gone.
You're
No, it's not going to end like this this time - you should have thought
about this before you bashed me one time too many. I don't think we can go
on working in the same project with you thinking about me the things you
do, and me thinking about you the things I do. We got a clear example
I'm talking about real-world cases of developers who stopped
contributing or were afraid to contribute because of your sucky,
condescending attitude.
Uh? I don't recall a single instance of Sascha scaring someone off.
I frankly didn't see a personal attack from Sascha on you here. He
At 11:24 AM 7/9/2001 -0700, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
I'm talking about real-world cases of developers who stopped
contributing or were afraid to contribute because of your sucky,
condescending attitude.
Uh? I don't recall a single instance of Sascha scaring someone off.
I don't want to
On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 09:37:35PM +0300, Zeev Suraski wrote:
So please stop with the personal attacks and
concentrate on the real technical issues.
I'd appreciate it if you stayed out of this one. I'm fed up with Sascha's
i
At 21:24 9/7/2001, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
I'm talking about real-world cases of developers who stopped
contributing or were afraid to contribute because of your sucky,
condescending attitude.
Uh? I don't recall a single instance of Sascha scaring someone off.
Well, I do. Two, as a
At 21:46 9/7/2001, Thies C. Arntzen wrote:
On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 09:37:35PM +0300, Zeev Suraski wrote:
So please stop with the personal attacks and
concentrate on the real technical issues.
I'd appreciate it if you stayed out of this one. I'm fed up with Sascha's
At 21:45 9/7/2001, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
At 21:24 9/7/2001, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
I'm talking about real-world cases of developers who stopped
contributing or were afraid to contribute because of your sucky,
condescending attitude.
Uh? I don't recall a single instance of
At 21:50 9/7/2001, Zeev Suraski wrote:
I've done my best to avoid saying it for years, I'm sorry, I decided to say
what I think.
BTW, I've had several beers offered me so far by several guys on this list
... other than the ones who stopped developing thanks to Sascha's attitude, BTW
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On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 09:37:35PM +0300, Zeev Suraski wrote:
So please stop with the personal attacks and
concentrate on the real technical issues.
I'd appreciate it if you stayed out of this one. I'm fed up with Sascha's
i
BTW, I've had several beers offered me so far by several guys on this list,
who are too afraid to publicly state their minds, but feel exactly the way
I do about Sascha's behavior.
Publicly stating something to that effect won't solve it.
They should contact me privately to resolve
At 21:58 9/7/2001, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
I'd appreciate it if you stayed out of this one. I'm fed up with
Sascha's
i _really_ dislike this statement!
Me too. If you are going to discuss this on a public mailing list, don't
tell
At 22:02 9/7/2001, Sascha Schumann wrote:
BTW, I've had several beers offered me so far by several guys on this list,
who are too afraid to publicly state their minds, but feel exactly the way
I do about Sascha's behavior.
Publicly stating something to that effect won't solve it.
Zeev wrote:
Rasmus wrote:
So please stop with the personal attacks and
concentrate on the real technical issues.
I'd appreciate it if you stayed out of this one
Quoting from a previous message:
I'd be happy to hear what other people think about 'you vs. me'.
You did ask
At 22:12 9/7/2001, Zak Greant wrote:
Zeev wrote:
Rasmus wrote:
So please stop with the personal attacks and
concentrate on the real technical issues.
I'd appreciate it if you stayed out of this one
Quoting from a previous message:
I'd be happy to hear what other people
Could be that I did in the distant past (I saw this was coming - I know you
think that way). The difference is that I learned from experience and from
feedback I got from people, and implemented it. Sascha, on the other hand,
behaves exactly the way he did in day one, except he has more
Well, I can't say I would recommend them to do that, because it never
appeared to be of any use for me, and you know I did try.
I cannot say how much I'd encourage those people to at least
try it once. There is a huge chance that it will help;
if they don't try, that chance will
At 22:15 9/7/2001, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
Well, I completely disagree with you on Sascha. Sascha is very direct and
doesn't sugar-coat anything. He is confident, and I suppose you could
interpret that as arrogance, but so what?
Chances are that my much-less-extreme behavior a few years ago was
Zeev wrote:
Zak Greant wrote:
Zeev wrote:
Rasmus wrote:
So please stop with the personal attacks and
concentrate on the real technical issues.
I'd appreciate it if you stayed out of this one
Quoting from a previous message:
I'd be happy to hear what other people
At 10:02 PM 7/9/2001 +0200, Sascha Schumann wrote:
I'd like to see Sascha's attitude change, ideally.
Ok - Sascha, do you think that your attitude is a problem?
I don't think that bears an answer considering the contents
of this thread and the amount of people who outspoke
This appears to me to be a problem between you and him and not something
that needs to be discussed on php-dev. As far as I am concerned, Sascha
is one of the PHP project's biggest assets and I just don't see how an
all-out public attack on him like this is in any way constructive.
I only
Sascha, don't come to conclusions too quickly if you do want to improve
your weak spots.
Andi, have you ever considered that your approach of
guiding other people is not appreciated?
- Sascha Experience IRCG
http://schumann.cx/
The reasons it did not stay on the group@ forum are:
(a) The group forum is, as Rasmus said, only for bureaucratic issues; It's
no longer a 'higher court' of the developer team, as it used to be.
(b) It has gone up in the group forum, several times, in the past, and did
not help.
I generally
*bad for the reputation of the community*
+1
Any idea when Slashdot's going to be publishing the 'PHP authors in bar room
brawl' story? ;-)
JP.
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At 10:30 PM 7/9/2001 +0200, Sascha Schumann wrote:
Sascha, don't come to conclusions too quickly if you do want to improve
your weak spots.
Andi, have you ever considered that your approach of
guiding other people is not appreciated?
Yes. That is what a guide is. He can try and
Sascha wrote:
I'd like to see Sascha's attitude change, ideally.
Ok - Sascha, do you think that your attitude is a problem?
I don't think that bears an answer
Really - do you not perceive this situation as a group problem?
considering the contents of this thread and
Why not have an abstraction? It would seem this would allow scanners with
different licenses to co-exist, and more to the point there's an immediate
technical win here, with code already written.
Looking over the patch it appears that this wouldn't effect most people
unless they
At 23:57 9/7/2001, August Zajonc wrote:
Why not have an abstraction? It would seem this would allow scanners with
different licenses to co-exist, and more to the point there's an immediate
technical win here, with code already written.
Allowing scanners with different licenses to co-exist isn't
scanner
the license seems very open?
AZ
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At 23:57 9/7/2001, August Zajonc wrote:
Why not have an abstraction
At 00:26 10/7/2001, August Zajonc wrote:
You see this happen though all the time with other software.
Media players don't need to have 10 ways to decode wav files, but they do.
There's a very big difference here. It does *exactly* the same
thing. Unlike codecs, which are all different.
On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Zeev Suraski wrote:
At 00:26 10/7/2001, August Zajonc wrote:
You see this happen though all the time with other software.
Media players don't need to have 10 ways to decode wav files, but they do.
There's a very big difference here. It does *exactly* the same
thing.
At 00:52 10/7/2001, Sascha Schumann wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Zeev Suraski wrote:
At 00:26 10/7/2001, August Zajonc wrote:
You see this happen though all the time with other software.
Media players don't need to have 10 ways to decode wav files, but they do.
There's a very big
On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 11:41:36PM +0300, Andi Gutmans wrote:
Anyway, I think right now the easiest thing for us to do is to move to re2c
without your sources (it should be relatively trivial as it's just a
this is pretty much what opensource tries to avoid - please
reconsider this
At 01:16 10/7/2001, Thies C. Arntzen wrote:
On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 11:41:36PM +0300, Andi Gutmans wrote:
Anyway, I think right now the easiest thing for us to do is to move to
re2c
without your sources (it should be relatively trivial as it's just a
this is pretty much what
Then it is incompatible with the parser. Unless you mean slightly
different tokens in HTML blocks, which is obviously a negligible
performance-related implementation detail.
Nah, there are a couple of other things which it does
differently where the parser apparently accepts multiple
Zak:
Thank you for expressing my thoughts exactly. We all get pissy
once in a while, and there seems, for the most part, to be a inverse
relation between intelligence and patience.
Zeev: I understand your frustration. I really do. There have
been times when just about EVERYONE in
Has it ever been considered that it may be time to restructure the PHP
Group, if nothing else than bringing in some new blood?
On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Andi Gutmans wrote the following to Sascha Schumann :
At 10:30 PM 7/9/2001 +0200, Sascha Schumann wrote:
Sascha, don't come to conclusions too
Hi All,
This has been an interesting discussion to follow all day, and it sure took the focus
away from my ordinary work for quite some time :-)
If we all could think before sending mails and perhaps wait a while before reacting
emotional I think threads like this could be avoided. Many of
At 06:22 PM 7/9/2001 -0600, Joey Smith wrote:
Has it ever been considered that it may be time to restructure the PHP
Group, if nothing else than bringing in some new blood?
I think it's something we should consider. From what Joey wrote it sounds
as if the PHP Group is perceived as something
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