RE: [PHP-DEV] Bugsystem status codes (Was: Re: #21659 [Com]: sprintf)

2003-01-15 Thread Ford, Mike [LSS]
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 From: Derick Rethans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: 15 January 2003 15:17
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 Subject: [PHP-DEV] Bugsystem status codes (Was: Re: #21659 [Com]:
 sprintf)
 
 
 On 15 Jan 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Why has this bug been marked as Bogus when it's a 
 Duplicate?  It seems
  to be increasingly common for this to happen -- when did it become
  standard policy to set duplicate report to Bogus?
 
 Two exactly the same bugs were posted one minute after eachother from 
 persons on the same domain.

(Grits teeth) But it's still a duplicate report!
 
 It was in this case.
 
  And even if it is policy to set duplicate report to Bogus, 
 that policy
  should be prominently documented, so that people don't get in a huff
  about bugs being dismissed as not a bug when their 
 duplicate report is
  set to Bogus (which has happened more than once already!).
 
 People who dont understand the implicit meaning of the statii 
 shouldn't 
 touch the reports in the bug system. I'll write them down again:

I'm not talking about touching them in the bug system, I'm talking about
understanding them as a bog standard user.

 
 bogus: submitted twice after each other, or by the same person on the 
same topic; it's not a bug, but a support question. The reason 
should always be noted in the comments

That's very confusing - there's really two different stauses in that
definition, which I think is the crux of the problem.  The first definition
really needs a new status such as Repeat, which is otherwise treated like
Bogus.  But this definition is interesting, because I think some responders
are not respecting the by the same person part.

 dupli: almost the same bug, both bugs are found 'duplicate' 
 later on and 
have both useful information

Yes, fair enough.  I just get the feeling that, lately, the balance has
tipped too far towards labelling repeat reports Bogus -- personally, I think
responders should be a little less Bogus-happy, and err on the side of
Duplicatifying if there's any doubt in the matter.  Also, when marking a
repeat as Bogus, not calling it a duplicate in the explanation would be
useful -- saying something more like repeat of #xxx or Identical to #xxx
would be better.

 verif: a member of the QA has verified the bug to be a real one
 analy: the cause of the bug is known, or a solution is known 
 for it but
not yet implemented
 assig: don't touch this one, somebody is working on this. 
 open:  just submitted, or nobody knows what to do with it (after 
feedback)
 feedb: Waiting for more feedback from the user
 suspe: at some point in the future we'll look at it again, 
 currently we 
are waiting on an external thing to be fixed first
 close: the bug has been solved (fixed in cvs)
 wontf: we are not going to fix this issue because 
 criti: critical bug, should be fixed ASAP
 no fe: No feedback from the user was added since we asked it 
 two weeks 
ago

H'mmm, interesting -- I don't think I've ever seen that list before --
certainly not linked from anywhere obvious such as http://bugs.php.net/, or
http://bugs.php.net/search.php.  Perhaps a what happens to bug reports
sort of link would be useful on the bugs front page, to complement How to
report a bug?

Cheers!

Mike

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RE: [PHP-DEV] Bugsystem status codes (Was: Re: #21659 [Com]: sprintf)

2003-01-15 Thread Derick Rethans
On Wed, 15 Jan 2003, Ford, Mike   [LSS] wrote:

  Two exactly the same bugs were posted one minute after eachother
  from persons on the same domain.
 
 (Grits teeth) But it's still a duplicate report!

No, it was merely a co-worker which wanted to focus more attention on 
the bug of his friend.

  
  bogus: submitted twice after each other, or by the same person on the 
 same topic; it's not a bug, but a support question. The reason 
 should always be noted in the comments
 
 That's very confusing - there's really two different stauses in that
 definition, which I think is the crux of the problem.  The first definition
 really needs a new status such as Repeat, which is otherwise treated like
 Bogus.  But this definition is interesting, because I think some responders
 are not respecting the by the same person part.
 
  dupli: almost the same bug, both bugs are found 'duplicate' later on
 and have both useful information
 
 Yes, fair enough.  I just get the feeling that, lately, the balance has
 tipped too far towards labelling repeat reports Bogus -- personally, I think

That's only because we get more and more stupid bogus bug reports.

 H'mmm, interesting -- I don't think I've ever seen that list before --
 certainly not linked from anywhere obvious such as http://bugs.php.net/, or
 http://bugs.php.net/search.php.  Perhaps a what happens to bug reports
 sort of link would be useful on the bugs front page, to complement How to
 report a bug?

Feel free to make a patch to php-bugs-web.

Derick

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