Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-CVS] cvs: php4 /ext/sablot php_sablot.h

2001-08-12 Thread Zeev Suraski
At 19:06 12-08-01, Zeev Suraski wrote: I don't think that this happens too often - I think that comments like Sebastian's are much more Ick, Sterling's that is. Sorry Sebastian ;) Zeev -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-CVS] cvs: php4 /ext/sablot php_sablot.h

2001-08-12 Thread Sterling Hughes
On Mon, 13 Aug 2001, Zeev Suraski wrote: At 19:06 12-08-01, Zeev Suraski wrote: I don't think that this happens too often - I think that comments like Sebastian's are much more Ick, Sterling's that is. Sorry Sebastian ;) Just to clarify -- I don't think the issue should be ignored --

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-CVS] cvs: php4 /ext/sablot php_sablot.h

2001-08-12 Thread Zeev Suraski
At 14:03 13-08-01, Sterling Hughes wrote: Just to clarify -- I don't think the issue should be ignored -- I just feel that php-dev@ is not the appropriate place for such stuff. Take it up on group@, or find some place else to deal with it (or perhaps another developer meeting

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-CVS] cvs: php4 /ext/sablot php_sablot.h

2001-08-10 Thread Sascha Schumann
away. An app built on a certain infrastructure is dependant on that infrastructure, but not the other way around. You wrongly assume that the API is equal to the implementation. PHP can use an API which is completely independent of the Zend engine. However, if everyone on

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-CVS] cvs: php4 /ext/sablot php_sablot.h

2001-08-10 Thread Zeev Suraski
At 17:08 10-08-01, Sascha Schumann wrote: away. An app built on a certain infrastructure is dependant on that infrastructure, but not the other way around. You wrongly assume that the API is equal to the implementation. PHP can use an API which is completely independent of

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-CVS] cvs: php4 /ext/sablot php_sablot.h

2001-08-10 Thread Andrei Zmievski
On Fri, 10 Aug 2001, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: Is this really what the goal is here? It seems like a contest to see how many times Zend can appear in the code. I think some of this stuff should be PHP_ or for things that really are engine related, perhaps ENGINE_ to at least pretend that this

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-CVS] cvs: php4 /ext/sablot php_sablot.h

2001-08-10 Thread Jason Greene
Is this really what the goal is here? It seems like a contest to see how many times Zend can appear in the code. I think some of this stuff should be PHP_ or for things that really are engine related, perhaps ENGINE_ to at least pretend that this is a modular architecture where if someone

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-CVS] cvs: php4 /ext/sablot php_sablot.h

2001-08-10 Thread derick
On Fri, 10 Aug 2001, Andrei Zmievski wrote: On Fri, 10 Aug 2001, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: Nope, this renaming stuff doesn't sit well with me either. This is not about renaming, it's about removing duplicate macro's. That is good IMO. But if all PHP_ stuff should be removed infavor of the ZEND_

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-CVS] cvs: php4 /ext/sablot php_sablot.h

2001-08-10 Thread Andrei Zmievski
On Fri, 10 Aug 2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is not about renaming, it's about removing duplicate macro's. Of course it's about renaming. We used to have just PHP_* macros and then Zeev added the ZEND_* versions and now PHP_* ones are just aliased to ZEND_* ones for backwards

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-CVS] cvs: php4 /ext/sablot php_sablot.h

2001-08-10 Thread Andi Gutmans
At 09:18 AM 8/10/2001 -0500, Andrei Zmievski wrote: On Fri, 10 Aug 2001, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: Is this really what the goal is here? It seems like a contest to see how many times Zend can appear in the code. I think some of this stuff should be PHP_ or for things that really are engine

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-CVS] cvs: php4 /ext/sablot php_sablot.h

2001-08-10 Thread Andi Gutmans
At 09:31 AM 8/10/2001 -0500, Andrei Zmievski wrote: On Fri, 10 Aug 2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is not about renaming, it's about removing duplicate macro's. Of course it's about renaming. We used to have just PHP_* macros and then Zeev added the ZEND_* versions and now PHP_* ones are

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-CVS] cvs: php4 /ext/sablot php_sablot.h

2001-08-10 Thread Zeev Suraski
Guys, It's really simple, even trivial soft-dev issue, which is discussed in a completely broken manner, because you pour politics into the picture. The Zend Engine is the infrastructure of PHP. Until there's another engine, which is nowhere at sight nor is there any good reason to have one,

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-CVS] cvs: php4 /ext/sablot php_sablot.h

2001-08-10 Thread Zeev Suraski
At 17:31 10-08-01, Andrei Zmievski wrote: On Fri, 10 Aug 2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is not about renaming, it's about removing duplicate macro's. Of course it's about renaming. We used to have just PHP_* macros and then Zeev added the ZEND_* versions and now PHP_* ones are just