Re: [PHP] PHP console script vs C/C++/C#

2008-04-20 Thread Per Jessen
Nathan Nobbe wrote: umm, so whats going on here is the implicit component of the statement that incorporates relative or absolute performance. in terms of relative performance the statement is accurate; in terms of absolute performance, its quite inaccurate. Nathan, I think we're

Re: [PHP] PHP console script vs C/C++/C#

2008-04-20 Thread Nathan Nobbe
On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 6:50 AM, Per Jessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nathan Nobbe wrote: umm, so whats going on here is the implicit component of the statement that incorporates relative or absolute performance. in terms of relative performance the statement is accurate; in terms of

Re: [PHP] PHP console script vs C/C++/C#

2008-04-20 Thread Robert Cummings
On Sun, 2008-04-20 at 14:17 -0400, Nathan Nobbe wrote: On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 6:50 AM, Per Jessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nathan Nobbe wrote: umm, so whats going on here is the implicit component of the statement that incorporates relative or absolute performance. in terms of

Re: [PHP] PHP console script vs C/C++/C#

2008-04-20 Thread Nathan Nobbe
On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2008-04-20 at 14:17 -0400, Nathan Nobbe wrote: On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 6:50 AM, Per Jessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nathan Nobbe wrote: umm, so whats going on here is the implicit component of the

Re: [PHP] PHP console script vs C/C++/C#

2008-04-20 Thread Robert Cummings
On Sun, 2008-04-20 at 14:41 -0400, Nathan Nobbe wrote: On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2008-04-20 at 14:17 -0400, Nathan Nobbe wrote: On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 6:50 AM, Per Jessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nathan Nobbe wrote:

Re: [PHP] PHP console script vs C/C++/C#

2008-04-19 Thread Per Jessen
Nathan Nobbe wrote: On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 11:25 AM, Nick Stinemates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think there was a single place where I said PHP was faster than C, nor did I imply it. Depends. Shitty algorithms are shitty, regardless of language implementation. implies that

Re: [PHP] PHP console script vs C/C++/C#

2008-04-19 Thread Robert Cummings
On Sat, 2008-04-19 at 13:08 +0200, Per Jessen wrote: Nathan Nobbe wrote: On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 11:25 AM, Nick Stinemates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think there was a single place where I said PHP was faster than C, nor did I imply it. Depends. Shitty algorithms are

Re: [PHP] PHP console script vs C/C++/C#

2008-04-19 Thread Per Jessen
Robert Cummings wrote: You are correct about asymptotic bounds on algorithms; however, languages can still have a constant multiplier affect on an algorithm. Absolutely. When it comes to how long does it take to process 1000 elements, both language and hardware are critical factors. But the

Re: [PHP] PHP console script vs C/C++/C#

2008-04-19 Thread Larry Garfield
On Saturday 19 April 2008, Per Jessen wrote: Robert Cummings wrote: You are correct about asymptotic bounds on algorithms; however, languages can still have a constant multiplier affect on an algorithm. Absolutely. When it comes to how long does it take to process 1000 elements, both

Re: [PHP] PHP console script vs C/C++/C#

2008-04-19 Thread Nathan Nobbe
On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 7:08 AM, Per Jessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nathan Nobbe wrote: On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 11:25 AM, Nick Stinemates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think there was a single place where I said PHP was faster than C, nor did I imply it. Depends. Shitty

Re: [PHP] PHP console script vs C/C++/C#

2008-04-18 Thread Struan Donald
* at 17/04 16:30 -0500 Daniel Kolbo said: Hello, I am writing a PHP script for a local application (not web/html based). My script is taking a longer time to execute than I want. The source code is a few thousand lines, so I will spare you all this level of detail. I prefer to write in

Re: [PHP] PHP console script vs C/C++/C#

2008-04-18 Thread Per Jessen
Daniel Kolbo wrote: If I wrote the console application in a c language (and compiled) would one expect to see any improvements in performance? If so, how much improvement could one expect (in general)? You haven't given us much to work with, so it's a wild guess, but I think you'd probably

Re: [PHP] PHP console script vs C/C++/C#

2008-04-18 Thread Daniel Kolbo
Struan Donald wrote: * at 17/04 16:30 -0500 Daniel Kolbo said: Hello, I am writing a PHP script for a local application (not web/html based). My script is taking a longer time to execute than I want. The source code is a few thousand lines, so I will spare you all this level of detail. I

Re: [PHP] PHP console script vs C/C++/C#

2008-04-18 Thread Eric Butera
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Daniel Kolbo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Struan Donald wrote: * at 17/04 16:30 -0500 Daniel Kolbo said: Hello, I am writing a PHP script for a local application (not web/html based). My script is taking a longer time to execute than I want.

Re: [PHP] PHP console script vs C/C++/C#

2008-04-18 Thread Nathan Nobbe
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 9:33 AM, Eric Butera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like I said before, since you know that most of your time is in a specific part of your script, just move that function into a custom extension written in c/c++. http://talks.php.net/show/extending-php-apachecon2003/0

Re: [PHP] PHP console script vs C/C++/C#

2008-04-18 Thread Eric Butera
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Nathan Nobbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 9:33 AM, Eric Butera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like I said before, since you know that most of your time is in a specific part of your script, just move that function into a custom extension

Re: [PHP] PHP console script vs C/C++/C#

2008-04-18 Thread Nick Stinemates
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 04:30:00PM -0500, Daniel Kolbo wrote: Hello, I am writing a PHP script for a local application (not web/html based). My script is taking a longer time to execute than I want. The source code is a few thousand lines, so I will spare you all this level of detail. I

Re: [PHP] PHP console script vs C/C++/C#

2008-04-18 Thread Nathan Nobbe
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 5:46 PM, Nick Stinemates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I wrote the console application in a c language (and compiled) would one expect to see any improvements in performance? If so, how much improvement could one expect (in general)? Depends. Shitty algorithms are

Re: [PHP] PHP console script vs C/C++/C#

2008-04-18 Thread Nick Stinemates
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Re: [PHP] PHP console script vs C/C++/C#

2008-04-18 Thread Nick Stinemates
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 09:58:14AM -0600, Nathan Nobbe wrote: On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 5:46 PM, Nick Stinemates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I wrote the console application in a c language (and compiled) would one expect to see any improvements in performance? If so, how much

Re: [PHP] PHP console script vs C/C++/C#

2008-04-18 Thread Per Jessen
Nick Stinemates wrote: The point I was making is simple, if you have a shitty algorithm (which is the case for our op) expect shitty performance. Agree completely, that's the case in a nutshell. There's no doubt you will gain performance moving to C, but, if properly designed, you have a

Re: [PHP] PHP console script vs C/C++/C#

2008-04-18 Thread Nathan Nobbe
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 11:25 AM, Nick Stinemates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think there was a single place where I said PHP was faster than C, nor did I imply it. Depends. Shitty algorithms are shitty, regardless of language implementation. implies that the same algorithm in

[PHP] PHP console script vs C/C++/C#

2008-04-17 Thread Daniel Kolbo
Hello, I am writing a PHP script for a local application (not web/html based). My script is taking a longer time to execute than I want. The source code is a few thousand lines, so I will spare you all this level of detail. I prefer to write in PHP because that is what I know best.

Re: [PHP] PHP console script vs C/C++/C#

2008-04-17 Thread Nathan Nobbe
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 3:30 PM, Daniel Kolbo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I am writing a PHP script for a local application (not web/html based). My script is taking a longer time to execute than I want. The source code is a few thousand lines, so I will spare you all this level of

Re: [PHP] PHP console script vs C/C++/C#

2008-04-17 Thread Eric Butera
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 5:30 PM, Daniel Kolbo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I am writing a PHP script for a local application (not web/html based). My script is taking a longer time to execute than I want. The source code is a few thousand lines, so I will spare you all this level of