[PHP] Re: Joining a team, where no wiki or docs are available

2012-09-24 Thread Jim Giner
On 9/24/2012 10:05 AM, AmirBehzad Eslami wrote: Hi, i'm going to join a mid-size company with a few PHP-driven projects written in procedural PHP, million years old. At the moment, they don't have a wiki or any documentation about their projects. For me, the first challenge in probation period

Re: [PHP] Re: Joining a team, where no wiki or docs are available

2012-09-24 Thread AmirBehzad Eslami
Jim wrote: If you really are joining a team, I would expect that the teammates would be guiding you through their systems. True, but based on my experience, most programmers are not good when it comes to explain stuff. So, I should rely on my own.

Re: [PHP] Re: Joining a team, where no wiki or docs are available

2012-09-24 Thread Mihamina Rakotomandimby
On 09/24/2012 05:19 PM, AmirBehzad Eslami wrote: True, but based on my experience, most programmers are not good when it comes to explain stuff. So, I should rely on my own. Choose another team? -- RMA. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit:

Re: [PHP] Re: Joining a team, where no wiki or docs are available

2012-09-24 Thread AmirBehzad Eslami
That's like erasing the question from the paper, in order to give it a solution! I was thinking about this problem for a while, and I've ended-up with this approach: #1 Start using the software as an End-User (don't care about the code) to understand the business-value of the software #2 Take a

Re: [PHP] Re: Joining a team, where no wiki or docs are available

2012-09-24 Thread Mihamina Rakotomandimby
On 09/24/2012 05:38 PM, AmirBehzad Eslami wrote: #1 Start using the software as an End-User (don't care about the code) to understand the business-value of the software #2 Take a look at the database scheme, try to understand the entities and their relations #3 As you use the software, you'll

Re: [PHP] Re: Joining a team, where no wiki or docs are available

2012-09-24 Thread AmirBehzad Eslami
Never worked with Emacs or genben. I'm a fan of vim ;) But thanks a ton, based on your suggestion, I just found vim-dbgp On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby miham...@rktmb.org wrote: #5 install xdebug + geben + emacs and have a look at the call stacks and bottlenecks.

RES: [PHP] Re: Joining a team, where no wiki or docs are available

2012-09-24 Thread Samuel Lopes Grigolato
What about using visual code coverage instead of callstacks? I think the big picture is easier to digest. Maybe a combination of both, as code coverage won't provide the time axis of the monster. Something like http://phpcoverage.sourceforge.net/ -Mensagem original- De: Mihamina