Re: [PHP] Strategy when working with designer(s)?

2007-07-24 Thread Richard Lynch
On Mon, July 23, 2007 3:00 pm, Steve Finkelstein wrote: > This is more of a conceptual based inquiry. I'm currently working on > some projects which require me to build system 'X' prior to any > (X)HTML/CSS/graphics are available to me. A lot of the time, I just > garble up default tables/forms/ima

Re: [PHP] Strategy when working with designer(s)?

2007-07-24 Thread Larry Garfield
On Tuesday 24 July 2007, Simon wrote: > > 0. The designers we work with frequently need to be told "that 3 second > > feature you just suggested just added 300 hours to the project and > > destroyed 508 compliance", usually multiple times. That *must* happen > > before the client sees it, or you'

Re: [PHP] Strategy when working with designer(s)?

2007-07-24 Thread Simon
The 'Leader' should be an IT Architect who understands both: In a dream world we can pay such a character, what I've seen so far is we "invent" one out of the guy that knows most: the programmer. (Instant promotion, same salary) From my experience, the project manager would ask the programmer

Re: [PHP] Strategy when working with designer(s)?

2007-07-24 Thread Alan Milnes
On 24/07/07, Simon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have always seen the programmer as the Leader* of the production of the project. He is the one to give the final word on what is Possible or not, and that is precisely what cause most problems (also known as scope of the project). The 'Leader' sh

Re: [PHP] Strategy when working with designer(s)?

2007-07-24 Thread Simon
0. The designers we work with frequently need to be told "that 3 second feature you just suggested just added 300 hours to the project and destroyed 508 compliance", usually multiple times. That *must* happen before the client sees it, or you're screwed. It's never too early to get the Yea! I

Re: [PHP] Strategy when working with designer(s)?

2007-07-23 Thread Larry Garfield
On Monday 23 July 2007, Simon wrote: > I recommend: > 1) Designer does his whole job and shows the design when finished and > approved 2) Integrator works on making the pages and html without func. > 3) Programmer makes the whole thing work. > This gives the best feeling to all people involved.

Re: [PHP] Strategy when working with designer(s)?

2007-07-23 Thread Blackbird
Steve Finkelstein wrote: Hi all, This is more of a conceptual based inquiry. I'm currently working on some projects which require me to build system 'X' prior to any (X)HTML/CSS/graphics are available to me. A lot of the time, I just garble up default tables/forms/images to replace what the desi

RE: [PHP] Strategy when working with designer(s)?

2007-07-23 Thread Anton C. Swartz IV
s God. Don't let sin keep ruling your lives.You are ruled by God's Kindness and not by the law. Romans 6:12-14 -Original Message- From: Simon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 5:22 PM To: Steve Finkelstein Cc: PHP General List Subject: Re: [PHP] Strategy whe

Re: [PHP] Strategy when working with designer(s)?

2007-07-23 Thread Simon
I have experience with designers. My suggestion. Don't code anything client-side until they are finished, you will most likely have to change everything. You can do your functionality (login mechanism, password change, listing, query with db, etc...) and be ready for when they give you their mon

Re: [PHP] Strategy when working with designer(s)?

2007-07-23 Thread Eric Butera
On 7/23/07, Steve Finkelstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi all, This is more of a conceptual based inquiry. I'm currently working on some projects which require me to build system 'X' prior to any (X)HTML/CSS/graphics are available to me. A lot of the time, I just garble up default tables/forms

Re: [PHP] Strategy when working with designer(s)?

2007-07-23 Thread Jon Anderson
Steve Finkelstein wrote: I was curious how do you folks who strictly do development and not designing, strategically work with a designer in this fashion? Do you have a skeleton you follow or preload some existing templates and then code around that? If there's even a book which focuses on such

[PHP] Strategy when working with designer(s)?

2007-07-23 Thread Steve Finkelstein
Hi all, This is more of a conceptual based inquiry. I'm currently working on some projects which require me to build system 'X' prior to any (X)HTML/CSS/graphics are available to me. A lot of the time, I just garble up default tables/forms/images to replace what the designer will be ultimatel