[PHP] php framework vs just php?

2008-04-22 Thread paragasu
honestly, i never used any framework to do my coding. i look into few popular framework like cakePHP and codeIgiter. I did learn the tutorial but still decide whether to use it on my next project. the thing is, i already develop few working library. no matter how hard i look into it. i always

Re: [PHP] php framework vs just php?

2008-04-22 Thread Nitsan Bin-Nun
Umm hell yes? I don't use frameworks, its an awsome thing, but I don't like them. But if I'm not using any framework at all, the least I do is writing the application object-oriented'ly. Regards, Nitsan On 22/04/2008, paragasu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: honestly, i never used any framework to do

Re: [PHP] php framework vs just php?

2008-04-22 Thread Robert Cummings
On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 17:25 +0800, paragasu wrote: honestly, i never used any framework to do my coding. i look into few popular framework like cakePHP and codeIgiter. I did learn the tutorial but still decide whether to use it on my next project. the thing is, i already develop few

Re: [PHP] php framework vs just php?

2008-04-22 Thread paragasu
My clients benefit downstream whenever I add to my framework. A problem solved two years ago is a problem still solved today, and I don't need to copy and paste into their project and thus maintain multiple versions of the same solution. i am quite new in php. i only spent about 3 year

Re: [PHP] php framework vs just php?

2008-04-22 Thread Lester Caine
Robert Cummings wrote: i just wondering whether i am the only one thinking this way. anyone out there still doing php without using framework? There's plenty of people out there who don't believe in frameworks. Nothing wrong with that-- to each their own. Only thing I would ask you is whether

Re: [PHP] php framework vs just php?

2008-04-22 Thread tedd
At 5:25 PM +0800 4/22/08, paragasu wrote: i just wondering whether i am the only one thinking this way. anyone out there still doing php without using framework? I don't use a framework either. However, I do have a collection of routines (many stolen from Rob, David et al on this list) that I

Re: [PHP] php framework vs just php?

2008-04-22 Thread Richard Heyes
i just wondering whether i am the only one thinking this way. anyone out there still doing php without using framework? Absolutely. Personally I use a lot of disparate libraries, a lot of them from PEAR. Doing this I've never found the need or the inclination to use a framework. -- Richard

Re: [PHP] php framework vs just php?

2008-04-22 Thread Paul Scott
On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 13:34 +0100, Richard Heyes wrote: Absolutely. Personally I use a lot of disparate libraries, a lot of them from PEAR. Doing this I've never found the need or the inclination to use a framework. But that is kind of a framework! You get two kinds of framework in PHP

Re: [PHP] php framework vs just php?

2008-04-22 Thread paragasu
You get two kinds of framework in PHP IMHO - the Glue frameworks (like Chisimba, CakePHP etc) and the component frameworks (like PEAR, Zend Framework etc). personally i prefer to call component framework as code library =)

Re: [PHP] php framework vs just php?

2008-04-22 Thread Robert Cummings
On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 14:41 +0200, Paul Scott wrote: On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 13:34 +0100, Richard Heyes wrote: Absolutely. Personally I use a lot of disparate libraries, a lot of them from PEAR. Doing this I've never found the need or the inclination to use a framework. But that is

Re: [PHP] php framework vs just php?

2008-04-22 Thread Robert Cummings
On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 20:49 +0800, paragasu wrote: You get two kinds of framework in PHP IMHO - the Glue frameworks (like Chisimba, CakePHP etc) and the component frameworks (like PEAR, Zend Framework etc). personally i prefer to call component framework as code library =) Well since

Re: [PHP] php framework vs just php?

2008-04-22 Thread Daniel Brown
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 5:25 AM, paragasu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: honestly, i never used any framework to do my coding. i look into few popular framework like cakePHP and codeIgiter. I did learn the tutorial but still decide whether to use it on my next project. [snip!] i just