RE: [PHP] PHP Source code protection

2008-02-14 Thread Richard Lynch
On Thu, February 7, 2008 8:35 pm, Andrés Robinet wrote: 1 - I believe the fact that we don't encode (read compile) our scripts is tightly related to the fact that we don't have a bytecode interpreter (say JIT compiler or something?) bundled into PHP. Er. PHP has a bytecode interpreter

Re: [PHP] PHP Source code protection

2008-02-11 Thread Greg Donald
On 2/7/08, Daniel Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because who's to say you're selling to one client? If it's your Intellectual Property, wouldn't you want to protect it, at least as much as possible? No, I think protecting software in any way is a waste if resources, especially software

Re: [PHP] PHP Source code protection

2008-02-08 Thread Per Jessen
Greg Donald wrote: Deductive reasoning leads to two possible options: 1) Don't give the code to anyone. 2) Give the code to the client and accept the fact that it may get pirated. Yep, that's all there is to it. /Per Jessen, Zürich -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To

Re: [PHP] PHP Source code protection

2008-02-08 Thread Per Jessen
Casey wrote: Why not just translate it to C#? Personally I'd just go for C - that way I can just distribute a binary and be done with it. No runtime, no JVM, no mono etc. /Per Jessen, Zürich -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit:

Re: [PHP] PHP Source code protection

2008-02-08 Thread Richard Heyes
accept the fact that it may get pirated. It may do. But there's nothing wrong with making it as hard as possible to do so. Most people have better things to do than try to reverse engineer a piece of code. Consider: 1. People who buy code will generally do so to solve a problem that they

Re: [PHP] PHP Source code protection

2008-02-07 Thread Per Jessen
John Taylor-Johnston wrote: I'm not sure where PHP stands on this politically. But I believe in Open Source, which allows you to encode your code. But why? At heart I'm a purist GNU. Stallman was right when he first tried to fix a faulty printer. I too believe in Open Source, but there are

Re: [PHP] PHP Source code protection

2008-02-07 Thread Per Jessen
Richard Lynch wrote: After you get your PHP code all worked out, re-write it as a custom PHP extension -- or even just the core of it, and send them a .so or .dll to install. Interesting option. Does require more effort, but if you rewrite the whole thing in C, you might gain some

Re: [PHP] PHP Source code protection

2008-02-07 Thread Richard Heyes
Greg Donald wrote: On 2/6/08, Richard Heyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's the Zend Encoder at www.zend.com. Though it may be called something else now. Pointless. http://www.phprecovery.com/ Pointless? I think it is exactly the answer to the original persons question. -- Richard

Re: [PHP] PHP Source code protection

2008-02-07 Thread Casey
On Feb 7, 2008 1:50 AM, Richard Heyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greg Donald wrote: On 2/6/08, Richard Heyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's the Zend Encoder at www.zend.com. Though it may be called something else now. Pointless. http://www.phprecovery.com/ Pointless? I think it is

Re: [PHP] PHP Source code protection

2008-02-07 Thread Greg Donald
On 2/7/08, Richard Heyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.phprecovery.com/ Pointless? I think it is exactly the answer to the original persons question. Yup, it's the exact correct answer, to a pointless question. Even Zend knows it's pointless to encode PHP. When you type decode php

Re: [PHP] PHP Source code protection

2008-02-07 Thread Greg Donald
On 2/7/08, Daniel Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, Greg, I respectfully disagree. First, just because there may be ways to reverse-engineer things doesn't mean it's a bad idea to attempt to protect your code against such. Why would you encode to start with? The only reason I can

Re: [PHP] PHP Source code protection

2008-02-07 Thread Daniel Brown
On Feb 7, 2008 4:56 PM, Greg Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/7/08, Richard Heyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.phprecovery.com/ Pointless? I think it is exactly the answer to the original persons question. Yup, it's the exact correct answer, to a pointless question. Even

Re: [PHP] PHP Source code protection

2008-02-07 Thread Daniel Brown
On Feb 7, 2008 6:20 PM, Greg Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/7/08, Daniel Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, Greg, I respectfully disagree. First, just because there may be ways to reverse-engineer things doesn't mean it's a bad idea to attempt to protect your code against

RE: [PHP] PHP Source code protection

2008-02-07 Thread Andrés Robinet
-Original Message- From: Daniel Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 7:10 PM To: Greg Donald Cc: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] PHP Source code protection On Feb 7, 2008 6:20 PM, Greg Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/7/08, Daniel

Re: [PHP] PHP Source code protection

2008-02-06 Thread Richard Heyes
I'm building a C# application that connects to a server that has PHP scripts on it. We need to deliver the complete solution to a firm, the C# is no problem because it is compiled... But PHP is a problem bacause it is interpreted and we will have to deliver pure, unprotected script... Is

RE: [PHP] PHP Source code protection

2008-02-06 Thread Bastien Koert
zend encoder? http://sourceforge.net/projects/php-screw/ google for more bastien To: php-general@lists.php.net From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 12:28:12 +0100 Subject: [PHP] PHP Source code protection Hi, I'm building a C# application that connects to a server that has

Re: [PHP] PHP Source code protection

2008-02-06 Thread C.R.Vegelin
See also: http://www.ioncube.com/ - Original Message - From: Bastien Koert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Zoran Bogdanov [EMAIL PROTECTED]; php-general@lists.php.net Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 2:27 PM Subject: RE: [PHP] PHP Source code protection zend encoder? http://sourceforge.net

Re: [PHP] PHP Source code protection

2008-02-06 Thread Floor Terra
Is htere a way to secoure my code so when they put it on the server, they can't see it! Short answer: NO Long answer NO, but: There are some products that claim they protect your code, but they all basicly rely on security through obscurity. A principle that is often frowned upon by security

Re: [PHP] PHP Source code protection

2008-02-06 Thread Daniel Brown
On Feb 6, 2008 11:13 AM, C.R.Vegelin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Bastien Koert [EMAIL PROTECTED] zend encoder? http://sourceforge.net/projects/php-screw/ google for more See also: http://www.ioncube.com/ All good ideas. And in the case of Zend

Re: [PHP] PHP Source code protection

2008-02-06 Thread Greg Donald
On 2/6/08, Richard Heyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's the Zend Encoder at www.zend.com. Though it may be called something else now. Pointless. http://www.phprecovery.com/ -- Greg Donald http://destiney.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit:

Re: [PHP] PHP Source code protection

2008-02-06 Thread Greg Donald
On 2/6/08, Greg Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/6/08, Richard Heyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's the Zend Encoder at www.zend.com. Though it may be called something else now. Pointless. http://www.phprecovery.com/ http://www.zendecode.com/ I'm sure there are others. -- Greg

Re: [PHP] PHP Source code protection

2008-02-06 Thread Richard Lynch
On Wed, February 6, 2008 5:28 am, Zoran Bogdanov wrote: I'm building a C# application that connects to a server that has PHP scripts on it. We need to deliver the complete solution to a firm, the C# is no problem because it is compiled... But PHP is a problem bacause it is interpreted and

Re: [PHP] PHP Source code protection

2008-02-06 Thread John Taylor-Johnston
of hornets. :p C.R.Vegelin wrote: See also: http://www.ioncube.com/ - Original Message - From: Bastien Koert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Zoran Bogdanov [EMAIL PROTECTED]; php-general@lists.php.net Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 2:27 PM Subject: RE: [PHP] PHP Source code protection zend encoder